Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.

I just heard a good quote: "The C in CDC doesn't stand for Communication."

Yeah, ain't that the truth. Having worked with scientists my whole life, I certainly recognize what they are doing. What we are seeing is their internal discussions being somewhat conducted in public. There will be different groups internally having several different discussions within groups and between groups. The spokespeople are then being given some kind of summary out of those internal discussions, and are passing them on. Of course, that's not a great way to provide guidance.

I doubt that Idaho will do anything at all. This wave will wash through us and do as it will, while we studiously attempt to deny that it is happening. There is pretty much no chance that the state will take any action beyond what it is doing. Any attempt at mandates of any sort will be vigorously opposed.

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I just heard a good quote: "The C in CDC doesn't stand for Communication."

Yeah, ain't that the truth. Having worked with scientists my whole life, I certainly recognize what they are doing. What we are seeing is their internal discussions being somewhat conducted in public. There will be different groups internally having several different discussions within groups and between groups. The spokespeople are then being given some kind of summary out of those internal discussions, and are passing them on. Of course, that's not a great way to provide guidance.

I doubt that Idaho will do anything at all. This wave will wash through us and do as it will, while we studiously attempt to deny that it is happening. There is pretty much no chance that the state will take any action beyond what it is doing. Any attempt at mandates of any sort will be vigorously opposed.

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Faux news says the real problem is all the illegal aliens crossing the border and spreading covid all over the states. If Biden would just put back Trump's border rules everything would be fine.

I'm not sure Biden and his cronies have a clue, really. Or maybe their agenda just isn't obvious.

They seem to be fast-tracking deportations on the one hand, loading others onto buses to infect the rest of the country, and re-importing others they already sent home earlier (particularly former dogs of the military). Biden Loves Mayhem.

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I just heard a good quote: "The C in CDC doesn't stand for Communication."

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Or perhaps it means just that.

It seems to be used as a propaganda outlet. Some criticize it for delaying the reporting of several metrics and then "curating" them before release.

I'm beginning to wonder if their orders go something like "We are running out of gas. We've dumped bales of cash and we still see alarming trends in the real economy. People are not going back to work and soon the rent, student loan, and many other amnesties will end but nobody is accepting personal responsibility. Most of that stimmicash is getting blown on cosmetics, more colors of sneakers, video games, big-screen TVs, plastic dolls, and shelves to sit them on. Flutter that pedal and hypermile this bus."

We WANT people to blow that stimmicash on cosmetics, more colors of sneakers, and so on. Our economy is largely driven by consumer consumption. Economists are spending much more time fretting about the fact that US citizens are NOT spending that cash than what they are spending it on. The savings rate in the US is unusually high, at the moment. The Economist has at least one article per week that mentions that figure, usually in the context of some economists trying to get people to spend more...or what happens if they do (no two economists can ever agree on anything, so if one says up, the next is sure to say down).

Still, I get your point, I just don't think that's quite it. If you want a bunch of scientists to dither...just let them speak. That's all I'm hearing from the CDC. If you're going to lead, then you have to make a decision. It doesn't have to be right, but it has to be decisive. All we are getting is dithering.

Just for grins I checked the Taco Bell web site again.

The same ALARM is there about supply problems limiting choices, but now there is another banner: "Dine-in has resumed!"

We're doing reasonably well at 7-day new cases per 100K at 26.3, but that's up from 2 weeks ago. But I'm not sure coloring us mint green is warranted, and I won't be doing any dining in.

We don't have any missing products but the prices have gone up 25%.
Logical with all the lockdowns.
The problem is that for the most part out traitors, born out of a untuned saxophone hole, politicians made the farmers import foreign products and cut down their own production, so we ended up with lemons from turkey and potatoes from Egypt. So we are on 30% country self retain of products and the rest is from abroad.

On another note, 42 degrees today, I came back from Athens, in Athens I could not breath, here is little better but unless I'm on the seaside I'm boiling and that will go on for at least 6 days...

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Still, I get your point, I just don't think that's quite it. If you want a bunch of scientists to dither...just let them speak. That's all I'm hearing from the CDC. If you're going to lead, then you have to make a decision. It doesn't have to be right, but it has to be decisive. All we are getting is dithering.

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Yeah, I use to think we had all these great minds at the CDC and WHO that would step right up, lead us and give us solid guidance if an emergency like this ever happened. I don't think that anymore. They seem to only tell us what we already know. I get the sense that "cover your ass" is more important than leading us through. But they probably couldn't lead even if they wanted to, the politicians would ignore them if they felt it would harm their chances for re-election. I'm getting awfully cynical.

Any organization can have these problems.

Somebody pays the bills, and that gives them a vote. Factions can have different agendas or even just follow a graven idol, er, school of thought. These factions have shifting levels of power and voice in the larger organization. VB vs. .Net is a probably casual disagreement by comparison.

The rest of us are along for the ride, trapped in the back seat of a car with 7 drivers and 7 steering wheels and 7 brakes.

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On another note, 42 degrees today, I came back from Athens, in Athens I could not breath, here is little better but unless I'm on the seaside I'm boiling and that will go on for at least 6 days...

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We have a forecast of RAIN!! The forecast for this weekend is so much rain that there are flash flood warnings in effect for the whole area (except the valley, which is too flat for flash floods) already posted. In fact, the forecast is not just saying rain, but Heavy Rain!

Now, that might not mean much to a whole lot of people on here, but Idaho can often go from June into September without seeing a cloud (other than a cloud of smoke). A heavy rain at the beginning of August is pretty unusual. It might also amount to very little, but then again, it just might be real.

We've had quite a bit of rain the last couple of weeks... it's finally stopped.... and now... we're hitting triple digit heat index... 120 today and tomorrow, 100 on Sunday, with it finally dropping into the 80's on Monday. Glad we got the AC replaced last year. Plan to keep it at a nice comfortable 74-76 in the house.

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I use to think we had all these great minds at the CDC and WHO that would step right up, lead us and give us solid guidance if an emergency like this ever happened.

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Their role is not to lead, it's to advise. Leadership is supposed to come from your president and, sadly, the current one has only had six months to undo the miss-information the previous one has spent a year and a half spouting (and continues to spout).

The reason the advice from the CDC has changed is that you are in the middle of a yet another wave, this one caused by the Delta variant. The main reason that wave is filling your hospitals up again while us Brits pretty much shrugged it off is because of the disproportionate number of anti-vaxxers you've got over there. And the reason you've got so many anti-vaxxers is that Trump and the GOP he's left behind him are a bunch of tools who are more concerned with fund raising than with saving human lives.

I'm curious, anyone having lot of heat in their providence (not you Funky, you got you usual rain hell last week as I saw), are the covid cases of Delta rising?
We are on vacation so the big cities are getting abandoned and people tend to hit the islands but the city covid cases are rising, with 43 degrees!
What I can think of is that we are having one of the greatest orthodox celebration of virgin Mary at 15 of August (Mary is probably the most common name in Greece, My Mother, Aunt, ex gf and 2 cousins are named Mary) they are proly trying to impose a lockdown on the churches again (being the antichrist advocates they are) so we can't celebrate.

In other news, I'm pretty coldy cold cold when I get to the sea, I usually shiver for 1-3 minutes until I do the dive, today I went in, in 15 seconds!
The sea was boiling but that is exactly how I like it, usually, even with 40 degrees the sea is killer cold here but today it was a sauna.

Also the dictator is pushing the vax in the middle of summer but everyone is on vacation so they kinda stopped the propaganda for a few days.
Ah, if you remember about Mykonos island (Mykonooos) that they locked down? Yes apparently covid got afraid in 5 days and they lifted the lockdown...Idiots.

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We've had quite a bit of rain the last couple of weeks... it's finally stopped.... and now... we're hitting triple digit heat index... 120 today and tomorrow, 100 on Sunday, with it finally dropping into the 80's on Monday. Glad we got the AC replaced last year. Plan to keep it at a nice comfortable 74-76 in the house.

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Sorry. 120 is close to 50 Celsius. IS that correct? You have 50 degrees!!!!? How c-um (i got *** writing it, is the spelling wrong-dirty?) your are still alive? ....Are you a... Bot?!

Not temperature, heat index, which takes into account your bodies ability to sweat. Not sure I buy it. Wet bulb temperature may be better, but not well understood.

What were you curious about with COVID? Heat? Brazil has one of the highest death rates in the world, and India is up there, too, neither of which is a notably cold country. COVID doesn't appear to care about heat.

In Idaho, the virus is going to do what it will. Our vaccination rate is pretty pathetic, and there is pretty much no chance that anybody is going to take any precautions. We are 100% back to normal, aside from a few signs that have yet to be taken down and a bit of plexiglass that is likely to stay up (some of it is quite stylish, so there's no good reason to remove it). Masks are more common than they were in 2019, but it's down around 1%, or so. I don't see that changing, either. Our state leadership, with the exception of the governor, is militantly opposed to even recognizing COVID...or science, education, and gravity, while we're at it.

There is no will to take any action, so, we're going for herd immunity the old fashioned way.

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That is the dirty spelling (used for the liquid that shows a man has "finished" being excited)... you were thinking of: come

We have a State "risk map" for COVID by county that ranks the risk from "Low" and then increasing from A to E.

Most places were A until recently, but now we're seeing more and more B level risk. This pattern has a clear geography because the A and B counties are well clustered.

But comparing this to the county-level rates of vaccination map doesn't show much correlation. Some of the least-vaxxed county clusters also fall into the large A-risk cluster, and some of the most-vaxxed fall into a B-risk cluster. Vaccine delinquency is a problem, but there must be other large factors too.

Even though we have lost our fortunate A status state-wide we still enjoy low rates of new cases compared to everyone else. I have no idea how we got so lucky, but it clearly isn't lasting as new infections slowly ramp up again. We may have encountered a bubble in the influx of the diseased bee population who carry the crud around.

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Not temperature, heat index, which takes into account your bodies ability to sweat. Not sure I buy it. Wet bulb temperature may be better, but not well understood.

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Actual temp was 99ish... at least... not sure what the official temp was... will have to watch the news later to find out. Then with the humidity, the heat index or "Feels like" temp iruns 110-120... honestly at that point, 10 degrees doesn't matter that much. The joys of living on the coast, where several rivers converge, and almost no breeze. I think what it is, is that heat bubble that cooked the west earlier has finally found its way over here, and is now broiling the south east.

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The new crown virus is actually a relatively well-controlled virus. China quarantined as soon as it was discovered. The total number of infections was only 100,000, while the number of infections in the United States and India reached about 40 million, which is 400 to 1,000 times more serious than China. If there is a more serious plague in the future, perhaps some countries will have more than half of the death toll. There are many TV shows and movies about zombies in the United States. Unfortunately, when they really happen, no one pays attention to them. Perhaps only when the death toll exceeds 10%, the presidents and leaders of various countries will really face it and try their best to prevent and solve them. Like the TV series "The First Season of the Doomsday Lonely Ship," the United States and Russia are trying to find out who invented the vaccine first, hoping to make a fortune. Perhaps the final solution is to make vaccine formulas and materials public, free of charge, and just like masks, hundreds of millions of them can be generated in two or three months.

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Not temperature, heat index, which takes into account your bodies ability to sweat. Not sure I buy it. Wet bulb temperature may be better, but not well understood.

What were you curious about with COVID? Heat? Brazil has one of the highest death rates in the world, and India is up there, too, neither of which is a notably cold country. COVID doesn't appear to care about heat.

In Idaho, the virus is going to do what it will. Our vaccination rate is pretty pathetic, and there is pretty much no chance that anybody is going to take any precautions. We are 100% back to normal, aside from a few signs that have yet to be taken down and a bit of plexiglass that is likely to stay up (some of it is quite stylish, so there's no good reason to remove it). Masks are more common than they were in 2019, but it's down around 1%, or so. I don't see that changing, either. Our state leadership, with the exception of the governor, is militantly opposed to even recognizing COVID...or science, education, and gravity, while we're at it.

There is no will to take any action, so, we're going for herd immunity the old fashioned way.

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Just like the Second World War, Germany illegally killed people of all countries and robbed wealth and energy assets. Other countries don't care, those who are capable will not intervene, and those who are unable to wait for death. To put it bluntly, it's like being shot. No matter what, until he bleeds and drains, maybe 10 and 5 will survive. Herd immunity, it is better to say that if you are sick, you don't need treatment. Few people will die and get old. Those who survived can eat less food.

Fed Brad: American companies have learned how to deal with the epidemic
July 30th 5:59 pm
US Department of Disease Control: Vaccines can't stop the Delta variant virus
July 30th 5:35 pm
Many wild deer herds in the U.S. are infected with the new coronavirus

Perhaps it is like a ransomware virus on a computer. There are 10-30% of computer vulnerabilities, and it takes only a few minutes to a few days to be kidnapped and ransomed. Genetic food, global commodities, and resource transportation will eventually break out of a bigger plague, which may kill half or more people. It’s like the Big Bang, the weather gets 10 degrees hotter, or decreases by 20-50 degrees.

China learned to control the spread of the virus and treat it a year and a half ago. The United States only now says that our company has learned how to prevent the virus. It is too late to do this when the damage has expanded thousands of times.
Just like World War II, after Japan and Germany killed hundreds of millions of people around the world, the United States stepped in and took advantage as a victor.

Oh, yes how the heat feels like, or "heat index" as you say. Yes that is 50+ .
I've heard that the heat will end at August 9.
I'm not having a problem at night and all day till I get to the seaside. I mean it's hot but I know that in a few minutes I will get to the sea and cool off.
At night if it is windy we often get a cool breeze so it's fine but if it's not then there is an issue.

At the end another threat to the undead, er, unvaxxed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U12qSkr3umw

Is that the one that claimed we should vax in the summer?
I haven't really paying attention after the CDC-PRC scam but go ahead. I have an aunt that is virusphobic keeps running around with a mask everywhere, that was the spirit a couple of months ago here but eventually almost everyone calmed down, thankfully.

His point is that scammers have found antivaxxers to be a reliable pool of gullible victims.

He also mentions the free health care provided by the U.S. government for people who get COVID. That ends very soon.

Health insurance companies are already suggesting "Get COVID? Not vaccinated? You are not covered, the bills are yours!"

I hope people would understand that there are no anti vaxxers.

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So...you don't believe in the virus, you don't believe in the vaccines, and now you don't believe in anti-vaxxers? Do you believe in yourself?

Most people believe in the vaccines just not in the wheel of fortune ones and they believe in the virus (with differantions). I though I didn't have to spell this one out.
Also I believe that more people are dying from the heat wave right now than covid but I don't see anything in the government media. No money in there.

Do you really believe that the protests are going on because of the vaccine? Which country do you live in?....Oh... :D

(I should explain as some people may take it the wrong way again. The country reference is done only because there are nothing serious going on there in regards of the world protests. It has nothing to do with individuals blah blah blah)

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Most people believe in the vaccines just not in the wheel of fortune ones and they believe in the virus (with differantions). I though I didn't have to spell this one out.
Also I believe that more people are dying from the heat wave right now than covid but I don't see anything in the government media. No money in there.

Do you really believe that the protests are going on because of the vaccine? Which country do you live in?....Oh... :D

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So justify "Wheel of fortune ones" in this context, the Covid vaccines have gone through the same tests as any other vaccine would, they have been approved in the same way - it has just happened quicker because they haven't had to fight for funding. Your constant use of unsubstantiated claims and flippant, but obviously anti-vaxxer biased, use of words such as "wheel of fortune" speaks a lot clearer than most of your posts.

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I imagine there are many, many, anti-vaxers out there who would disagree. There are entire communities and movements of anti-vaxers out there. I honestly no longer know if you are posting genuine thoughts or just trolling.

Those that are protesting now are not anti vaxxers. You are putting everyone in a bag, it's not my problem.
The complete vax circle if memory servers will end in 2023 till then it's served as Conditional by the world health organization. I think you are the one that is trolling as we have talked about this many times and you are asking the same thing again and again....Again, i don't have to justify as there isn't something to justify.

This is good though because you obviously don't have a clue why the protests are done so that will give you a chance to look it up and maybe re think on what you are writing...Or not, that is OK also, we don't reject opinions here at least as far as can tell from all the years I'm a member.

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You are putting everybody not in the bag when you say there are no anti-vaxxers. We could meet halfway and say that there are people half in the bag.

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I'd say that I don't know what protests over there are about, unless they are reported on. However, you don't know what the protests over here are about, either. It sounds like they aren't over the same thing.

There's several types of anti-vaxers...

There's the OG Anti-Vax ... these are the ones that started a few years ago spouting off that vaccines cause autism, etc.... vax is bad... all vaccines are bad to them.
Then there's the anit-this-vax ... they're not against vaccines in general... just for what ever reason, not "this one"... and the reasons range from it's alleged experimental state (which isn't true), to magnetism (not true), to nano bots (not true), to 5G (not true, but.... no, it's not true).
Then there's the notgunna do the vax cuz you can't tell me what to do (as they get in their car, buckle up and drive 55 on the hoghway, stopping at every red light, stop sign... but dammed if you're going to tell them what to do)

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The United States has studied whether to wear a mask for a year, but the president can't decide. Many countries still think that vaccines are viruses, and some may think that vaccines are useless.
There are also some illegal hospital companies selling immature vaccines at high prices to defraud money.
I don’t know how many countries where vaccines are free. The state provides subsidies.
In China, almost no one has been infected with this virus, so many people feel that there is no need to get the vaccine, although it is free.

The vaccination in China is not painful at all, I thought they didn't inject it into me. There were no adverse reactions. I was just reminded not to leave the hospital within half an hour, not to drink alcohol for a few days, and not to take a bath.

Three years ago, I just went to a small shopping mall one day. I felt nightmares in the middle of the night. I was about to die. Then I had a high fever, and I was weak. I couldn’t walk. I went to the community clinic for an injection and took some medicine. But after a while Moon slowly regained strength.
At that time, it felt like I was dying. I felt it was like a new crown virus. Really, sometimes it can fall in a few hours, and the human body cannot stop the virus at all. It's like being poisoned, you are bleeding, you have a fever, and your sepsis will kill you.
In the war years, penicillin was as expensive as gold, but the effect was obvious, and it could cure you in a few days.

Without accusing anyone here as I respect most of you and given the answers you are giving, I tend to believe that we are actually living in completely different worlds.
I think that's why people of closer regions tend to, if not agree, be more close to my views.
Obviously I don't have a clue what the protests on US are about because they are for different purposes than Europe and Australia.
The protest are NOT for the vaccine, that was just blended with the whole climate. The protests are mostly for freedom, the right to do with your body what you want and not imposing green certificates, not putting vaxbies and non vaxbies to the discrimination grinder and of course against the government. Many of the people have already done the vaccine, many doctors that participate have done the vaccine and to speak for Greece in particular, we don't get along with freedom denial as we already suffered dictatorships and 400 years of slavery under the Turks.
Saying to our face that we should be cattled as some people did here, wouldn't have ended well in real life,not talking about me, personally I think I can understand the chasm, or not, but hopefully.

Edit: I just remembered I wanted to post this also. One our our government idiots, can't recall the office he has, I think the internal state minister, that was barking about the vaccines giving you immunity to covid(!) got the flue last week. Our traitors changed the tune now and say that it CAN infect you (wow,really!) but you will pass it light.
Yes all this time they where saying that you only have 0,1% change to catch covid if you where a vaxbie. Idiots.

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Without accusing anyone here as I respect most of you and given the answers you are giving, I tend to believe that we are actually living in completely different worlds.
I think that's why people of closer regions tend to, if not agree, be more close to my views.
Obviously I don't have a clue what the protests on US are about because they are for different purposes than Europe and Australia.
The protest are NOT for the vaccine, that was just blended with the whole climate. The protests are mostly for freedom, the right to do with your body what you want and not imposing green certificates, not putting vaxbies and non vaxbies to the discrimination grinder and of course against the government. Many of the people have already done the vaccine, many doctors that participate have done the vaccine and to speak for Greece in particular, we don't get along with freedom denial as we already suffered dictatorships and 400 years of slavery under the Turks.
Saying to our face that we should be cattled as some people did here, wouldn't have ended well in real life,not talking about me, personally I think I can understand the chasm, or not, but hopefully.

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Yeah, you've convinced me of that, too. I rather feel that EU protests are more rational. They're certainly more rational than the anti-vax protests in Idaho....but most anything is more rational than the anti-vax protests in Idaho. Still, even here, the protests aren't REALLY about the vaccine, or vaccines in general. Sure, there are some folks who are opposed to vaccines in general out here, but even there, if you talk to them for any length of time, it doesn't seem to be the vaccine that is really the issue.

On the other hand, I'm not sure what it is. As a person who goes wandering in the woods for weeks or months at a time, I encounter a lot of people who say something along the lines of, "isn't that dangerous?" Statistically, I'm in greater danger driving to the mountain than I am climbing it. We don't evaluate risk very well. TG touched on that with the bit about people getting in their cars and fastening their seat belts. I also touched on that when I mentioned that this state is fine with mandating the use of seat belts, but is opposed to even private employers mandating the vaccine...and for that matter, they are opposed to mandating helmets for motorcycle riders.

We just aren't consistent in our quest for freedom. Some are protected with irrational ferocity by the same people who casually give up others.

Sometimes, I just despair as to whether or not we are smart enough to live. For thousands of years, it just didn't matter. In the last century, and increasingly in the last few decades, our technology is getting to the point where we can do things that we have no capacity to reason with. We're out over the tips of our skis and still accelerating.

I think we talked about the people living again. The natural resources will not be enough for everyone in a few years.
Now whether we will go on an just die or we will "train" ourselves to eat something else like dirt, with the help of DNA engineer or live with resources from other planets (and hopefully find a way to black hole travel to distances), or cattle farms on Mars is unknown. Yes I said DNA but not this parody and not forced on millions without testing. We still have a couple of thousands of years to do it properly but the barrier is closing in, although I would much rather get resources from other planets than eating dirt. :D

The birth rate is below replacement level in pretty nearly every developed country and a bunch of the developing countries. We are in a bit of a race. Who knows what minerals are available in space. Getting out there is tough, but getting them back to earth is somewhat easier (if a bit hazardous, as we'd be dropping rocks into a well while standing at the bottom of said well). Educate women and explore space. Does our population fall before or after we run out of resources?

Or we get lucky and some alien race find us. Supposedly not discussed by our stupidity and starts killing or eating us, gives us hyper knowledge.
That's why I would like to be born a couple of thousand of years in the future, we would either have made it or would be all dead...Hmm but if dead I won't be able to be born...Maybe in another galaxy, one with no politicians and no Microsoft would be great. :cool:

Yeah. I guess when you only have fishing, goats, and lizards with some olives and grapes along the coasts people can get hungry importing most of the food when cash is so thin. Hard times.

If you are talking about Greece, we can switch to food efficiency just like that. Almost all the soil in Greece can grow plants.
The problem is, yeap, politicians, they don't care to implement a central agricultural and livestock policy and they don't care to help the farmers.

A few months earlier, China did not have enough vaccines, so the injections were voluntarily and free of charge. But many people feel that no one around them is infected with the virus, and there is no need to get an injection.
Now there are indicators. As long as you meet the conditions, the medical staff will go to your home to mobilize you to vaccinate if you do not come. Strive to achieve the same level of vaccinations for everyone.
China also wants to increase the overall vaccination rate, so that global trade can also reduce trouble. For example, some shrimps in India were detected to have the new crown virus, and they were prevented from exporting to China.
In the end, China is the safest country.

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The birth rate is below replacement level in pretty nearly every developed country and a bunch of the developing countries. We are in a bit of a race. Who knows what minerals are available in space. Getting out there is tough, but getting them back to earth is somewhat easier (if a bit hazardous, as we'd be dropping rocks into a well while standing at the bottom of said well). Educate women and explore space. Does our population fall before or after we run out of resources?

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I always try to look for analogous examples between microscopic and macroscopic processes. A virus invades a cell, multiplies unsustainably, the cell explodes and spreads the virus even further. For the sake the the universe, I sincerely hope the virus that is humanity never succeeds in such a spread.

Apparently parts of China are being locked down again due to the spread of the Delta variant. What wave are we on now here in the USA? 4th? 5th? Mask mandates are coming back. Hospitalizations are skyrocketing in Florida and another state that escapes me.

Needing a booster every 6 months (which I predicted would be the case months ago) is now in the "break it to the public gently" mode. But here's the deal. I guarantee that there is a non-trivial percent of the population that was willing to roll up their sleeves and get their 1 or 2-dose Covid shots thinking it was a one-time deal, but aren't going to get them again twice a year for who knows how long, especially if they were one of the people that had significant side-effects.

As sort of a joke to myself, I marked this thread as Resolved a few months ago when all the numbers were trending towards this being mostly over soon. But as it stands now, I'm thinking that this fall/winter are going to be lockdown 2.0. And since everything has been bet on the vaccines we have being THE solution to this, if more and more vaccinated people keep getting infected and spreading to others, then everything goes to crap in a hurry.

It will be interesting what schools do this fall. A couple months ago it seemed almost a certainty that everything would be back to in-person learning, but who knows now. Probably going to turn into a political food fight with teachers and students caught in the crossfire.

That's it for me again for a while. Stay healthy everyone.

The U.S. is not a monolith.

Here we are still at very low new infection rates, no mask mandate, etc. That won't last because we are just starting to enter the Delta wave searing the south and west. But we also went through a wave peaking last April that the south and west did not see.

I think we're seeing two factors driving waves of infection: travel and mixing. Travel spreads new mutations, mixing is primarily the young and stupid and personally irresponsible passing the fungalitis around and then taking it home.

Vaccination hasn't made much of a dent because too few have been vaccinated.

The map scale has been jiggered once again to mask how bad things are, but:

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tra...r100klast7days

... shows a pattern that has been holding geographically for months now.

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Apparently parts of China are being locked down again due to the spread of the Delta variant. What wave are we on now here in the USA? 4th? 5th? Mask mandates are coming back. Hospitalizations are skyrocketing in Florida and another state that escapes me.

Needing a booster every 6 months (which I predicted would be the case months ago) is now in the "break it to the public gently" mode. But here's the deal. I guarantee that there is a non-trivial percent of the population that was willing to roll up their sleeves and get their 1 or 2-dose Covid shots thinking it was a one-time deal, but aren't going to get them again twice a year for who knows how long, especially if they were one of the people that had significant side-effects.

As sort of a joke to myself, I marked this thread as Resolved a few months ago when all the numbers were trending towards this being mostly over soon. But as it stands now, I'm thinking that this fall/winter are going to be lockdown 2.0. And since everything has been bet on the vaccines we have being THE solution to this, if more and more vaccinated people keep getting infected and spreading to others, then everything goes to crap in a hurry.

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Yet when I wrote these stuff I was the "strange" one.
You will NEVER get rid of the flue with vaccination, common, allegedly, less dangerous flu have taught us that. The process will be done with covid mutations that they will be less and less dangerous and in the end it will just kill people with serious health issues and again, it depends and of course natural immunity. As I've said you will be requested to vaccinate every now and then until the medical companies strangle every last drop of vaccine money from you( have you seen the pfizer stocks that are sky rocketing?). If you want to do that fine but calmly think if it's worth the go, especially if you are in a low danger group.

BTW USA put Greece in the high danger zone for vacation today. If you thinking of traveling I'm assuring you we are just fine, we have 8 deaths i 2500 and by the government double fake, the real deaths are 4 in 2500.

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Yet when I wrote these stuff I was the "strange" one.

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Oh, come on. You were strange before you wrote that;)

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You will NEVER get rid of the flue with vaccination, common, allegedly, less dangerous flu have taught us that. The process will be done with covid mutations that they will be less and less dangerous and in the end it will just kill people with serious health issues and again, it depends and of course natural immunity. As I've said you will be requested to vaccinate every now and then until the medical companies strangle every last drop of vaccine money from you( have you seen the pfizer stocks that are sky rocketing?). If you want to do that fine but calmly think if it's worth the go, especially if you are in a low danger group.

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You may be right about that. The flu virus changes every year, and the vaccine is changed each year to deal with the new strain. Lots of people simply don't bother with the flu shots. It's often not convenient, even if it's free. If the perceived cost is low, but the perceived benefit is zero, then people won't do it. Several people have suggested (I may have, in fact) that the trend of mutations in COVID would be towards a milder form that has a death rate down around that of flu. It could then be perpetual, just like the common cold (which is also often a Corona virus).

On the other hand, nobody LIKES the common cold, even though it is common. There may be a simpler cure being developed.

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BTW USA put Greece in the high danger zone for vacation today. If you thinking of traveling I'm assuring you we are just fine, we have 8 deaths i 2500 and by the government double fake, the real deaths are 4 in 2500.

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It's not the destination so much as the mode of travel.

Funny I once completely agree...Exccceppt maybe on being strange, I am stang-ER. :p

Yes I forgot that you have to get all those documentation to enter and then possible get a 14 days quarantine at US when you departure.
And that is BS, in order for the dictator to make us do the vax he is demolishing his own country and that has implications as we see here.

I believe someone here was disputing that vaccinated people can equal get the Delta? Or maybe not, maybe I remember something else.
In any case:

Fauci:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/fauci-...d_3929532.html

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Funny I once completely agree...Exccceppt maybe on being strange, I am stang-ER. :p

Yes I forgot that you have to get all those documentation to enter and then possible get a 14 days quarantine at US when you departure.
And that is BS, in order for the dictator to make us do the vax he is demolishing his own country and that has implications as we see here.

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I wasn't talking about the quarantine or the documentation, I was talking about the transport. It might be understood that I like taking vacations out in the open, but if getting there means sitting in an aluminum can with a few hundred other people for several hours, then quarantine would be a relief.

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I believe someone here was disputing that vaccinated people can equal get the Delta? Or maybe not, maybe I remember something else.
In any case:

Fauci:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/fauci-...d_3929532.html

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You have to be really careful about that source for news. They're a very odd organization. They're odd in a way that means that they MIGHT be a good source, but they also might not. They have a distinct bias due to why they exist, but it's a bias unlike any other in the US. My understanding is that they were founded by an outlawed religious cult in China that I can't spell. Their goal is undermining China, which can take on some really strange twists.

In this case, they may be sort of right, except that data is still coming in. What has been found is that vaccinated people who DO get infected have the same levels of virus in the airways, meaning that they should be equally capable of spreading the virus. I have heard that the chance of a breakthrough infection is reduced, but it sounds like it is higher than the chance of a breakthrough with the other popular variants, and the chance of complications is way down. So, you CAN get delta if vaccinated, and if you DO get it, then you are less likely to have symptoms, but just as capable of spreading it. If further studies bear that out, it creates an interesting situation: Vaccinated people could be the greatest threat to non-vaccinated people.

On the other hand, there have been a variety of studies, and the results have been mixed, so we'll just see, as always.

Yes, aka vaxbies. Become one and be safe , resists and they will try to bite you.
Also it's quoting Fauci. If he is unreliable let me know, i though he was your main guy over there(?).

I take it you are talking about planes? Well that also, the distance is far but it's worth it IMO. Greece!!!

He isn't the issue, it's just that the news organization you cited has a distinct agenda which colors what and how they report. It's a weird agenda, to, so it's often not quite clear why an article is written the way it is. I stay away from them, because they are selling something...even if it isn't always clear WHAT they are selling. They aren't right or left, they're weird.

As for the data, we basically have a couple studies on relatively small groups, which means that it's probably a bit premature to take too much away from it. The one point that seems totally solid is that, if you get a breakthrough infection with the delta variant, vaccinated and unvaccinated are equally contagious, but unvaccinated are at greater risk. That's why there are mask requirements going back into effect in the US, but only in places. Things will have to get REALLY bad before Idaho stops ignoring the problem.

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Apart from our dispute here on simple flu and vaccination, I can't help but wonder what will happen then next time that the new covid 22 flue comes out or any heavy flu type.
Should we tolerance a yearly+ lockdown again until we find a cure, or treat it as a simple flu, or, at least as a super flu, that might have a 0,6 mortality on persons over 80 and not lock ourselves in again?
Are you able to handle another lockdown and it's consequences over a flue?

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Found this Feb 21 post. I wonder, with a clearer mind and all the events that happened, if you are all in favor of a new lockdown now as you where back then.

Anthony "Strangelove" Fauci? Also known as "Often Wrong" Fauci after the Star Trek character Noonian Soong?

Nobody really listens to him. He flips and flops with the breeze and there is plenty of evidence that he has a nefarious agenda. He's known for negative involvement during the AIDS era and recently his involvement with "gain of function" virus research and connection with that Wuhan lab.

OK, I will mark not to quote him.
So admitting the US and his involvement to the China covid lab is not true, hmm?