Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.

Calling them conditional and when they are not experimental is not my decision, anyone who think that they should not be could make an appeal to the world health organization.
That is not the point though, the point is the mandatory thing.
OK you got loons there, more than here I should guess :p
Well here it's not a small group against mandatory vaxs, apart from people staying at home thinking that this is tyranny there where close to 100.000 people Greece wide protesting on the last 2 protest happened here. The fundamentals of modern western civilization was build on freedom of choice , if we want to abolish that be my guest but we are going to fight.
And to quote the immortal world of me going to the toilet after a big case of dusenteria... Freedddoooommmm!

Also Salute to our fellow French protests. Down with tyranny up with blatany!.. I mean, errr, your time is coming dictator! There.

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I certainly hope so. Our density is a bit high.

We're still doing pretty good here. Cases are up a little so that won't last, but so far we still have no lockdowns or masking requirements in most scenarios.

I did venture out for a hot dog and noticed only 1/3 of people wearing masks both inside the stand as well as sitting at the tables outside. This is a pretty woke community so I was a bit surprised.

Got a call from my prescription drug insurer asking for a rundown of my medications, supplements, making sure I stay on top of them, my vaccine status, etc. They were specifically interested in making sure I'm taking D3, Zinc, and Elderberry in moderation as immune boosters. Yesterday I got a call from my part A & B provider about making sure I get out for exercise. I guess once you are on Medicare you attract more interest.

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On this I actually agree with you. On the whole I'm against the idea that we should legally force people to put anything in their body.

Social pressure is a different thing - I'm happy to tell anyone that refuses the vaccine that they're a douchebag who's putting other peoples lives at risk. I also don't have any problem with businesses saying, we won't employ/serve you if you don't get vaccinated. You have the absolute right to elect to be a second class citizen.

However, I would oppose a legal requirement to get the vaccine. People have a right to be a douchebag.

That said, we do have precedent for legally mandating personal choice when that choice could harm others. We have laws against drink driving because we recognise that it may not be the drink driver who ends up dying.

That is not the same thing.
If you drive drank is not compared to not vaccinated.

Anyhow....
Oh you called me a douchebag! Bad Funnky! :p
Hope your doing well. :wave:
Btw since you are in UK, is the 60-40 vax admissions true? https://uk.news.yahoo.com/how-many-c...171607939.html
If it is...Hmmm...

5522 death in Scotland after 28 days of receiving the vaccine.
I know, you are going to say that in 28 days a lot can happen, so OK let's cut this in half and go for 2761 deaths so everyone can be satisfied
https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/07/18...alth-scotland/

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5522 death in Scotland after 28 days of receiving the vaccine.
I know, you are going to say that in 28 days a lot can happen, so OK let's cut this in half and go for 2761 deaths so everyone can be satisfied
https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/07/18...alth-scotland/

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So you are quoting a site that claims the vaccines are the cause of death "920 deaths occurring every month due to the Covid-19 vaccines" which is hardly the truth even if the numbers hold up. The total deaths for Scotland are under 8,000 when you look at the official figures https://www.gov.scot/publications/co...-for-scotland/ so I would already treat those claims with suspicion.

The site in question is known for promoting fake news, anti-vax propaganda, etc. https://www.logically.ai/articles/ac...e-daily-expose and https://www.chillfiltr.com/exposing-...ishonest-media are both worth a look regarding this.

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Maybe not exactly the same thing, but in both cases you are willing to risk the lives of others for your own selfish reasons.

Vaccines have been around since before 1800, they have saved countless lives over the years and improved the quality of life for millions, the fact people are believing whatever junk conspiracy theorists on Facebook etc are spouting and as a direct result are willing to not only put their own lives at risk (can't say that bothers me much) but the lives of everyone they come into contact with at risk (that does bother me).

Watching a couple of youtube videos does not make anyone an expert or get to be classed as "researching" the vaccine. Unless you have a working knowledge of how diseases etc. are transmitted, how the body fights / succumbs to them, how vaccines and medicines work you are spouting opinions and not facts. People spend decades of their lives researching these things and therefore are the experts?

Would you make changes to your car's brakes or steering, your home electric MCB, or similar because a youtube video claimed "the need for brakes on a car is a conspiracy pushed by big-autorepair"? Would you choose to eat in a restaurant that claimed "basic sanitation and hygiene is a conspiracy pushed by big-soap and that chefs should be allowed to use the toilet and then handle your food as a matter of personal choice"?

I am sure if I looked hard enough I would find theories claiming modern soap contains tracking nanobots that allow the illuminati to see my every move and also control my actions...

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Maybe not exactly the same thing, but in both cases you are willing to risk the lives of others for your own selfish reasons.

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The big difference is the scale of selfishness... drink-driving and hygiene etc are about being lazy/cheap/etc, whereas the vaccines can cause health issues (such as those more likely to have blood clots, but in that example alternative vaccines are available), and there are various other valid reasons too (including people from minorities who only have access to bigoted GPs, so know the side effects of the vaccine could end up killing them or doing long-term damage).

While those believing conspiracy theories are being foolish (and selfish because of that), there are many who do have proper reasons to avoid being vaccinated.

If my car has "breaks" I'd get them fixed, if it "breaks" a lot I'd get a better brand.

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^That's a much better metaphor for what I was trying to say.

I don't think drunk driving is quite as good an analogy, because people die rather suddenly. We have laws about wearing seatbelts, which I think is a better analogy. If you don't wear a seatbelt, you aren't likely to kill somebody else...unless you are propelled through the windshield and hit them, but that would be quite the coincidence. Still, you can be fined for not wearing a seatbelt, even in this state where they want to block employers from requiring vaccines.

It's an interesting situation. They recognized that there was a public cost to people not wearing seatbelts, so they were willing to pass laws requiring that people wear them, but when it comes to vaccines? There, even a private company shouldn't be allowed to require it. There isn't much consistency there.

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The big difference is the scale of selfishness... drink-driving and hygiene etc are about being lazy/cheap/etc, whereas the vaccines can cause health issues (such as those more likely to have blood clots, but in that example alternative vaccines are available), and there are various other valid reasons too (including people from minorities who only have access to bigoted GPs, so know the side effects of the vaccine could end up killing them or doing long-term damage).

While those believing conspiracy theories are being foolish (and selfish because of that), there are many who do have proper reasons to avoid being vaccinated.

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True, I should have been more clear about the fact I am referring to people who have no medical reasons etc. for refusing the vaccine but still refuse it.

A couple of my neighbours aren't being vaccinated for the simple reason "we never go anywhere so we can't be bothered", laziness is not just limited to hygiene. Also the same neighbour is a three generation household, school age children, parents in their 40s / 50s and an elderly grandparent with health conditions. Couple that with the fact at least two of the people living there work in potentially crowded locations (supermarket and a factory workshop) so they do actually go to places.

I was asking about Scotland not embrace it.
I am also asking about UK, since you are closer to the source.
I'm also against mandatory vax whatever example you make.
The example is that you don't get vaxinated so you will make other ill?
I don't get the example.
If all the non vax people are selfish and they don't do it then what is all the bark about?
Vaxbies are well protected by the vaccines, isn't that what you are saying?
So the problem is on the lazy non vax that they will kill each other. You should be happy as you will get rid of the laziness.
So non vax should do it because? Their are getting on your nerves? If they don't care why should you and mandatorize them?
Driving drank is completely different as was said, I guess it was a bad example.
On the other hand, vaxbies gonna vaxb.

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I was asking about Scotland not embrace it.
I am also asking about UK, since you are closer to the source.
I'm also against mandatory vax whatever example you make.
The example is that you don't get vaxinated so you will make other ill?
I don't get the example.
If all the non vax people are selfish and they don't do it then what is all the bark about?
Vaxbies are well protected by the vaccines, isn't that what you are saying?
So the problem is on the lazy non vax that they will kill each other. You should be happy as you will get rid of the laziness.
So non vax should do it because? Their are getting on your nerves? If they don't care why should you and mandatorize them?
Driving drank is completely different as was said, I guess it was a bad example.
On the other hand, vaxbies gonna vaxb.

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If you choose not to get vaccinated you have a higher risk of getting covid and therefore you can spread it to other people, this is going to increase the rate it spreads and makes it very dangerous to those who can't get vaccinated for legitimate reasons. The more people who are infected the quicker it spreads, getting vaccinated reduces the chances of getting infected, therefore reducing how much it spreads. Getting vaccinated also reduces the severity if you do actually get it as well.

If it was only the non-vax causing other non-vax to die I would just put that down to Darwin at work, the problem is they are just as likely to kill people who can't get vaccinated. This is an utterly selfish attitude, similar to drink drivers.

Getting vaccinated does not reduce the chances of getting infected, it supposedly make you less ill and that is questionable as per UK link I've posted and still get no answer.
People that cannot get vaccinated should be careful on both vax and non vax as they can equally get infected.
People that cannot get vaccinated should take the precautions that they would have taken for the common flu.
As I've said I proly can't get vaccinated but I don't push people to get vaccinated to save myself. This is selfish and against the rights of choice that other peoples have. Unless we want to cancel those rights. Our dictator is trying to here anyhow.

I was also curious.
How would you specify a "smaller" dictator? Is dictatorisk a word that can be used?
Meaning a new dictator that wannabe big.

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Getting vaccinated does not reduce the chances of getting infected, it supposedly make you less ill and that is questionable as per UK link I've posted and still get no answer.

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The vaccines do reduce, not eliminate, your chances of getting covid. This is one of the main reasons you should be vaccinated. https://covid.joinzoe.com/post/risk-covid-after-vaccine and https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ugh-cases.html and https://www.newscientist.com/article...a-vaccination/ and https://www.gov.uk/government/news/v...-after-2-doses

Which link are you referring to?

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Actually it looks that vaccinated people who are infected have a lower chance of passing on covid, so although it doesn't prevent transmission it is at a lower rate. Certainly not "equally".
https://khub.net/documents/135939561...=1619601878136

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I am not saying that people who cannot get vaccinated shouldn't take precautions, however covid is a lot more serious than the common flu and the risk of death is higher. If people who can get vaccinated choose to get vaccinated this will reduce the ability of covid to spread and therefore reduce the risk of vulnerable people catching covid.

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As I've said I proly can't get vaccinated but I don't push people to get vaccinated to save myself. This is selfish and against the rights of choice that other peoples have. Unless we want to cancel those rights. Our dictator is trying to here anyhow.

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A large part of living in a modern society is giving up individual rights for the good of society. The vast majority of laws are effectively nothing more than rules that restrict an individual's rights for the betterment of society.

Once in a while somebody dies because they wore a seat belt. Foolish people take that as vindication for not wearing one.

Wrong.

I'm bored to get into the circular discussion again.
I would suggest tho that if you are so keen on giving up rights for the good of society, how about voting in favor for mandatory giving up one of your kidneys?
For people that need one.

So is it dictatorisk a word I can use?

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I'm bored to get into the circular discussion again.
I would suggest tho that if you are so keen on giving up rights for the good of society, how about voting in favor for mandatory giving up one of your kidneys?
For people that need one.

So is it dictatorisk a word I can use?

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Giving up a kidney would damage my health in a major and serious way. Vaccination isn't comparable and you know this, making irrelevant comparisons is a poor argument.

No I don't know it.
Experts say that it has a 0,001% chance of damaging your health and you can live perfectly fine with only one.

Unless you only have one to begin with, in which case giving up one would lead to death.

Lol. Iron kidney, robotic inferno!
Went out to eat by the seaside, 65 Euros for 6 people and we ate like there is no tomorrow. I'm with 3 bottles of beer right now, so won't be offended calling me drunk, or half drunk.

Alcohol burns covid!!!!

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China was the first to contain the new crown epidemic. Finally won the first gold of the Olympic Games

Focus on being yourself and ignore others

Pfiser vaccine 39% effective on Delta.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/23/delt...e-illness.html

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Such sad news, hmm? Better lock down and mask up again. It is coming for you.

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Darker is Higher

Glad we're holding in the north and east. Won't last, but so far still safe to go shopping and such.

All jokes aside, the government says that all new measures will be taken for the non vaccinated, so I'm wondering what the heck are they going to says when what you describe going to happen in October - November. They won't be able to say "oh non vaxbies are causing this" because according to their fake vaccination count we will be at 60-70 % vaxbies in September, let alone in November, so when the same things starts happening cuz the only measures they are taking is vaccination , how would they sell masks and lockdown? 30-20% of all population will not be vaxed but they can't push everything to them. I wonder what the dictator would think. Although rumors for early elections are circulating for a couple of months now.

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Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine recipients have lower antibody levels targeting the Delta variant:
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/infection-immu...-delta-variant

Such bad news ,hmmm? Better stretch your arms for the next experimental dose. It is coming for you.

I don't see why it is bad news unless you thought the virus would never change. Viruses evolve. That isn't a surprise. That's why there's a different flu shot every single year. It's never the same flu, year after year. The difference with the mRNA vaccines is that reformulating for a different variant should be particularly easy. The delta variant has been sequenced, I'd expect a reformulation is probably already in the works....well, actually, I know that it is, but it might take a different form. That's a different matter.

Still, whether the vaccine is 40% effective or 80% effective against the delta variant hardly matters. Being unvaccinated is between -200% and -400% effective against the delta variant.

The other issue is the testing.

Nothing about a vaccine guarantees a virus can't enter your system and even multiply. What is does do is limit the ability of the virus to multiply.

So sure, you might still get infected. Even at a level that testing can detect. But.., the vaccine should still help your body respond to a new infection and keep the symptoms at a low level until it is nearly eradicated.

Of course the more diseased bees you hang around the higher the vial load you can pick up too. That's why the unvaxxed should be required to hang a sign around their neck saying "UNCLEAN" and ring a bell as they walk.

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I'd vote for it.

Tell that to all the people that died with the experimental vaccine.
But of course covid kills more etc etc.
We should hang around a sign to the vaccinated saying Vaxbies gonna Vaxb.
It's funny the unvaxed is not pushing anyone not to do the vaccine while the vaxbies are pushing on mandatorism.
I'm amazed on how people reacted to this flue, it's showed stuff about our society.
Let me just stop you here and say it showed stuff about ALL of our society.
I'm not talking for someone in particular here or course. Even radical fascistic opinions are welcome by me. The only thing I have a problem with is mandatory by trespassing our constitution and of course dictators. We have one, wanna trade? We would take Obama and Hillary Clinton for him? Hmm?

Another protest in Greece today.
I can't say I expected that 2 years ago as we seemed like sleeping animals.
Greece and France are leading the way right now.

I feel bad for Greece:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDINQ6k9jYQ

It's all pretty much come to pass. Greece is only still around to keep the EU from absorbing its massive debt.

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Tell that to all the people that died with the experimental vaccine.
But of course covid kills more etc etc.
We should hang around a sign to the vaccinated saying Vaxbies gonna Vaxb.
It's funny the unvaxed is not pushing anyone not to do the vaccine while the vaxbies are pushing on mandatorism.
I'm amazed on how people reacted to this flue, it's showed stuff about our society.
Let me just stop you here and say it showed stuff about ALL of our society.
I'm not talking for someone in particular here or course. Even radical fascistic opinions are welcome by me. The only thing I have a problem with is mandatory by trespassing our constitution and of course dictators. We have one, wanna trade? We would take Obama and Hillary Clinton for him? Hmm?

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So... Any proof of people dying from an "experimental vaccine" that is a reputable source, so not a random YouTube video or a website know for promoting fake news.
Using words like "experimental" is about as close to an untruth as you can get, the vaccines went through the usual tests before being given to human.

Also it isn't the flu, it is a lot more serious. Making up claims that are proven to be false seems to be a thing with antivaxers. Almost as if the truth doesn't back up their claims.

Don't.
We are like cockroaches we always find a way to survive and we are doing so for thousands of years.
But yes currently we are in a world of sht no doubt about it. This is our fault as we vote for idiots, hopefully covid did something good, it awakened us and whenever we where awakened we did marvels.

No no links, go find previous month posts. Links seemed to be ignored , except from Shaggy so nop.

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The only link I have seen you post recently was from the dailyexpose site, known for promoting anti-vax propaganda and fake news, if there are reputable links that justify your use of phrases like "all the people that died with the experimental vaccine" then I would happily read them.

I am assuming you would return the favour and read the various links I have posted to actual peer reviewed, expert reports from people with knowledge and training in the relevant areas.

I probably won't and saying I only posted dailyexposure kinda proved my point.

The point is that you have made some pretty crazy claims, and have only posted crazy stuff to support the claims. None of it has been sound.

Of course, I only read some scientific journals and read some mainstream stuff. None of it has hinted of anything like what you've stated, so either mainstream science is hiding everything...or that other stuff has been crap supported by nothing. There have been other, similar, nonsense stories that didn't make the mainstream news because they were nonsense. This just seems like more of the same: Hyped to the skies in the rags, ignored by everybody else.

I don't know what the crapometer reads, I was posting stuff from award medical people , bbc , cnn , the Mr.Nay inventor and such.
If that was all crap then no problem, I can say the same from the opposite side but the links back then where sap 100 other people 1 .
I say again that I appreciate the fact that you read some of them, it shows a decent character.
I stoped posting and went to the more "fun" side because with the Delta arrival the flue went to a flu, also I can't post something to prevent people for doing the experimental vaccines because everyone has made his/her mind by now so, you know, vaxbies gonna vaxb and such. :)

P.S. I can stop if you like, I'm on vacation so I just go for a swim , eat, have a look here then food, bars etc and again a look over here, it won't bother me to stop and only look at coding stuff, I'm just killing time between .

Salute to Australia also.
Greece started the flame!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwHFOG55quc

Paris:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-60B0DuepMA


Oh, I forgot.
We have 2200 infections and 4 deaths on Delta while previously we had 2000 infections and 70+ deaths and we are on 20-25 max on vaccinations here.

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I thought about the seatbelt analogy but I didn't like it because harm to others is wouldn't be a direct effect of the choices you make (excepting the driver doing superman impressions). Cost to public services can be deployed as an argument against drinking, eating the wrong foods, taking part in sports, hiking... it offers a simple counter argument for those who want to engage in "what about" arguments. Choosing not to have the vaccine directly effects others as it means you are more likely to infect them with a deadly virus which requires a slightly stronger metaphor. (This is not to say that it cannot be valid to pass a law based on cost to the tax payer but rather that the arguments for legislation in this case are stronger and more immediate).

I preferred Dil's dodgy brakes metaphor to my drunk driving because it speaks to passive inaction rather than action. Failing to get your brakes fixed is negligent and directly endangers others. That's a much better fit as a metaphor for not getting vaccinated.

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Interesting choice because this speaks to body horror which is at the root of alot of vaccine hesitancy IMO (well, that and some folks just want to be edgy). For me, that's why I would not support mandating vaccines. It's not really rational but there's something about out physical bodies that is sacrosanct, even if the procedure in question is demonstrably harmless and/or beneficial. We should have ultimate agency over what happens to our bodies.

That is not to say that our choices should be without consequence, though. By choosing to forgo a vaccine you are making a choice that could lead to the death of another human being. If, as a result of that choice, people choose not to serve you, employ you or not to associate with you... well you made the choice, own the consequence.

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Sapator it does seem like on this topic you dont want to see the nuance when looking at data and articles.

Firstly in the UK we have administered 46.5 m first doses and 37 m second doses, and the number of deaths reported linked to actually having the vaccine (almost all linked to a rare blood clotting condition) are 41.

These deaths in the UK are all from the Astra Zeneca Vaccine in younger people, and so we have stopped giving it to people under 30.

These deaths are tragic and should not be minimised, however this year alone something over 40,000 people have died from Covid ( it was around 80,000 last year)

Any suggestion that the cure is somehow worse than the disease is ludicrous. If you want to argue that we cant know what the vaccine will do to us in 5 years then fine I will disagree but we dont have that data yet, but arguing that vaccination is somehow more dangerous than Covid now is not born out by the facts.

The number of hospitalisations in the UK of vaccinated people is 40% , however if you look more closely at those figures what it shows is that the large majority of those people are the most at risk people either elderly or with other medical issues.

Last year (in fact also in Jan & Feb this year) people with those risk factors were dying in great numbers, this year they are not. Yes some are still hospitalised and some will still die as the vaccines are not 100% effective nobody ever claimed they were, but the protection they offer is both obvious and measurable.

The other 60% of people being hospitalised in the UK are unvaccinated young people (people under 30), and young people in hospital from covid was not something we were seeing much of last year but now they are the ones most likely to contract covid and most likely to be hospitalised in the UK.

I'm against mandatory vaccination, can we please not go on the numbers again? We won't convince etc other.

What I'm saying is that The Nuremberg trails, the Geneva convention, the EU parliament voting the Greek constitution etc are stating no to mandatory vaccination.
So pushing mandatory, isn't that, isn't that telling you something? I can cope on the the people that cannot do the vaccine but they should take the measures they took since they couldn't get the flu vaccine or any other vaccine in the future that will "prevent" a pandemic.
I can't understand the parties here that where protesting against woman not be able to do abortions, saying that it's their body and they should do as they want, now highly protesting in favor of not doing what you want to your body. All in all my opinion is that they are trying to push as many drugs as possible since long batches are expiring in late August and they will lose their percentage cut from the total doses used.
I know this "exaggerations" may seem strange to your but you are not living here and you don't know how high is the corruption. I believe I saw an official EU article putting us in the most corrupted countries in the world, so we need to rip the root of evil that is the government and hopefully not being idiots and vote for the opposition as they are the same.

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I checked around and Greece isn't even in the top ten.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...rupt-countries

OK, I will put some numbers :p

Yesterday France 70.000.000 people 22 deaths, Greece 10.000.000 people 8 deaths.

Here is a link, is he a crazy person also?
Covid is not a pandemic anymore. Jean Michel Claverie, iologist, founder of the France institute of iology, Director of research on CNRS (Centre national de la recherche scientifique).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F551T8B5d2Y

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I checked around and Greece isn't even in the top ten.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...rupt-countries

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You may be right but I'm sure I saw an article..Maybe it was for EU countries as this was a EU article. But even on this article we are very low.

Also the corruption here is underground so I'm not sure that it can be measured officially but we, that live here, can see it.

It would HAVE to be for something like EU countries. Just think of some of the other countries in the world. You have issues, to be sure, but you can't really compare to some of the failed states of the world.

You also appear to have been largely spared from COVID, which is interesting.

What is 'iology'? Even Google doesn't seem to know.

@FD: I felt that the seatbelt analogy wasn't quite as spot on due to the way the harm works, but I also felt that it was highly relevant in my particular state. Our legislature is getting all worked up over mandatory vaccines (though only for COVID, they have ignored mandatory flu shots by the same groups for years) being a violation of personal rights, yet they passed legislation requiring seat belts, where the benefit is more philosophical than the benefits of a vaccine against a readily transmissible disease.

Basically, I was focusing on the inconsistency in this state rather than the aptness of the analogy.

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What is 'iology'? Even Google doesn't seem to know.

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It's what you have when you can't even get a "B" in biology...

-tg

Ye google can't do everything.
It's Virology I should roughly guess. In Greek a virus is called Ios hence "Iologia", I thought that since most of the medical terms are opted from Greek this should be so, apparently it isn't.

It sounded Greek, but all I was seeing was various other 'ology' words.

Was "Proctology" in there? :p

I'm still wondering what tune hikers whistle on that Nuremberg Trail.

Oh great, we are going on 43 degrees from Thursday till Tuesday and I have to get back to the city for 3 days :mad:

Sounds like the Oxnard Astral Projection vaccine is having trouble. They are throwing shade on the Pfizer now.

Can you elaborate?

Also.
Hmmm.
CDC to revoke PCR tests as problematic, given to many false negatives. It was the main tests that initiated the lockdowns due to all of those cases, many confused as it was just common flu.

“False-negative results may lead to delayed diagnosis or inappropriate treatment of SARS-CoV-2, which may cause patient harm including serious illness and death.

False-negative results can also lead to further spread of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, including when presumed negative patients are grouped into cohorts in health care, long-term care, and other facilities based on false test results.

False-positive results could lead to a delay in the correct diagnosis and the initiation of an appropriate treatment for the actual cause of patient illness, which could be another life-threatening disease that is not SARS-CoV-2.

False-positive results could also lead to further spread of the SARS-CoV-2 virus when presumed positive patients are grouped into cohorts based on false test results”.


https://www.genomeweb.com/molecular-...y#.YP-_70BRVPY

I suppose some people should feel pretty dumb right now.

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I was focusing on the inconsistency in this state rather than the aptness of the analogy.

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Oh, yeah. There's nothing consistent about legislation anywhere.

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Originally Posted by sapator

I suppose some people should feel pretty dumb right now.

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Why? You just mentioned something about false negatives, which would mean undercounting. We were undercounting AND locking down? Would we have not locked down if there had been MORE, or are you suggesting we should have double locked down?

Well the CDC has moved the goalposts again. I guess whatever it takes to make the west and south feel good about their climbing case rates, eh? But it also obscures the slight climb experienced elsewhere as well.

They also seem to be saying "masks on" now right after saying "masks off." Derr!


Before Delta inevitably starts spreading fast here too, I decided it was worth making a monthly grocery run. I need a change from dried and frozen stuff anyway, as well as the few things I buy canned. Bean, radish, and alfalfa sprouts are tasty but I need some fresh broccoli, tomatoes, peppers, plums, citrus, and so on.

Wow. Parts of the produce section were bare shelves. I found more or less what I was after but the whole section was condensed with fewer choices. Beef and chicken options were also much thinner.

I had also taken a look at the Taco Bell web site, thinking, hey, maybe on the way home grab a burrito. Wonder what they are selling now? It's pretty rare for me to go there, but they are open late...

Selected the local store: big banner claiming supply problems. I wasn't even sure the local store is open at all.