Sentience

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Originally posted by Behemoth
you serious about no swimming? :(

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Possibly. You don't finish work til late tomorrow do you, so swimming's out the window. We can still do the gym though as that doesn't have a time limit.

I did get that mail from Rick, the little ship looks quite cool - looks a bit like a recon from Cataclysm. Send the zip over with the rest please.

I'll post a list of buildings here later on in the day when I get chance and then you can design the images around the names if you think that will help.

Oh yeah, Hi Rick! :)

Right something needs posting here.

Ben: Firstly, where are we up to? You won't have been coding for a couple of weeks since your rebuild, right? I've hit a bit of a slump in my work, and next week im away so things are still going to be quiet. If I can squeeze in a few hours soon, I'll colour those buildings from the previous page and send em on to you, we can worry about animating them later. I want to get these buildings out of the way and get stuck into more components - I was on a bit of a roll last month (you still have the pics i sent you though, dont you?)

Its going to be important to make a start plugging these components into the scripts soon. When i get back, we'll set some time aside and get on with it.

Rick: How far have you got with the ship? At what point will you be able to help me with buildings (if at all)? Have you suggested the explosion thing you mentioned to Ben yet?
I had an idea concerning the design of the ship. I'll knock comething together and send it on to you.

All: I think it would be nice if we all made a concerted effort to keep posting in here, even if we have little to say. The more we communicate, the more ideas get pushed around and the more inspired we become. I want to see this project become successful, but circumstance and morale seem to be an issue at the moment.

Thanks :)

Ok, its a bobbins drawing I threw together in MSpaint, but the point I wanted to make was that if the colony modules are not the only supporting structure for the ship, it doesnt have to break apart and come back together - the modules can drop away without the ship losing integrity

Theres also more surface area for more pods too.

Just an idea - the pictures attached, but you may have to rename it to .bmp if it does work.

Got loads done on the main vessel last night (what's its name again). The core fuel tanks that were within the cylindrical hull are now external - looks better.

I'll post pics up tonight.

Behemoth,

I ceased coding 6 days ago when I rebuilt my machine, so I've done nothing since then. I'd also want the building fully animated before they go in. If they go in non animated and we come back to them in a few months, you'll have the lost the dev files or at least the impetus.

As to where we're up to, last I knew we had a version ready to go that included loads of bug fixes. I just want some more graphics in to pad it out a bit.

Rick,

I'll look forward to seeing those pics..

Ian - send send me any original imagary you have of the buildings...

I'll knock up some 3d models, and render some top down views to put in the game ...


One of my mates andy is interested in doing some 3d stuff for it..his stuff is fantastic...

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Originally posted by Arbiter
If they go in non animated and we come back to them in a few months, you'll have the lost the dev files or at least the impetus.

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If you want simple animations as youve said many times before, I wont need the dev files - merely the graphics themselves. I've already lost the impetus - the mind numbing repetitiveness of animating buildings has killed any enthusiasm I had for them.

Still, I'm plugging away...Slowly :(

Don't give up hope my friend. If you want, you can send the 30 frame none animated image and I'll have a go at animating them :D

PS - thanks for the lift last night, greatly appreciated. :)

Sorry about not posting those images I promised... got carried away modelling planets......


Hopefully I should have something rather tasty to show you over the weekend.


The pub is calling me tonight...

Ian - its jimis birthday today...

Happy birthday Jimi
you should have told me earlier, I'd have arranged to come out for a bevvy or two. How old is he?

Hello...
He's 24 today. What you upto this weekend..brewski's could still be on the cards...

Hows work going?

I've gotta get my stuff together for my holiday, so I may not be able to. We'll definitely do something when I get back though.

Work's just plain wierd at the moment. Thank God I've got a break coming up

Heres a quick screenie from the intro:

http://www14.brinkster.com/keepoffth...sentience4.jpg


The ship seen is a landing pod, and is incomplete as yet.

Comments/Suggestions welcome.

Rick

Rick,

You can't link direct to the image as it blows up noisily.

However, I trawled through the site hunting for stuff and saw some MEGA COOL GRAPHICS!!!!

Some of this stuff is ****ing AMAZING.

*Ahem*

It's not bad really. :)

Heres a link to the sentience page. Theres a new image. Basically the same as yesterdays but with added running lights.

http://www14.brinkster.com/keepoffth...sentience.html

Rick

Any suggestions?

Minter minter!

Couple of questions.

1) What do you use to produce these?
2) Where can I get it?
3) How do I do it? :D

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Originally posted by Arbiter
Minter minter!

Couple of questions.

1) What do you use to produce these?
lightwave

2) Where can I get it?
off rick, but dont bother

3) How do I do it? :D
by saying "rick, can you make me X," or "how about a model of Y"

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The headquaters model is almost complete..........

I'll post some images either later today or sunday...

Go on...Show me...

The image is the latest post here:

http://www14.brinkster.com/keepoffth...sentience.html

Remember, this is a very early version.

Be gentle.

Rick, you do know that none of the following links work on your site:
KOTG Diary
KOTG 3D stuff
KOTG web stuff
KOTG About

Yeah, the site's very tatty. I'll get round to sorting out someday.

rather phallic, isn't it? :D

Whats your opinion generally? (without genitalia references)

I generally like it. I'm not sure about the red parts on the sides, but hey- everyone's a critic ;)

It really does look phallic though - perhaps its some kind of fertility symbol :p

I have new images on the site.. usual address.

Comments would be helpful.

Ian, what is the maximum number of pixels I have to work with?

40x40 is the maximum tile size.

Changing this would involve rewriting the entire graphics engine and redrawing all the graphics ever done.

So you'll have 100*100 supported by next week?

Only joking.

However if you need any input for the remaining coding, I'd like to get involved.

I'm pretty good in vb (I'll be a microsoft approved developer in a couple of months when I do my exams).

What do you think of the models?

Thanks for the offer of help with the coding, but I'm doing this all myself. :)

The models look good so far. I'll hold further comment until I see a 30 frame bitmap at 40x40. As I keep saying to Behemoth, that's what I'm really interesting as that's what makes it to the game.

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Originally posted by Arbiter
Ian,

Re your comment in the G&GP thread.

Yeah, we could do with sitting down and having a chat - I've not spoke to you in ages. Do you not check your voicemail, or simply ignore it?

Anyhow, sitting down (sans beer) may be fruity.

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please, just explain "fruity" to me. Is this good or bad?

BTW I haven't recieved any voicemails.

Questions for Ben:

1) Regarding the view of the object:

What angle should the camera normal intersect the Y-axis?

2) Must the animation contain 30 frames, or can it be less?

3) Give me a list of building type and functionality

4) Need I render damaged buildings?

Cheers fella

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Originally posted by extrinsicRick
Questions for Ben: (does that mean I can't answer then?)

1) Regarding the view of the object:

What angle should the camera normal intersect the Y-axis? (uh? Its generally isometric projection - the angle doesnt really matter as long as its consistent throughout the buildings. an isometric projection probably gives the best and most realistic view though)

2) Must the animation contain 30 frames, or can it be less? (if you want a 15 frame animation to cycle, render it through twice. If you want breaks, use un-animated space. You'll have to ask Ben about the engine though)

3) Give me a list of building type and functionality (they haven't all been decided yet. We can start to compose a list though. Ben - your input on this?)

4) Need I render damaged buildings? (oooh...cool idea. Again - Ben?)

Cheers fella

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Originally posted by Behemoth
please, just explain "fruity" to me. Is this good or bad?

BTW I haven't recieved any voicemails.

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Depends on whether you like fruit or not...

I do.

And you also may consider changing your phone provider as I'm regularly getting put through to random peoples voicemail boxes. Sometimes I have to phone two or three times before I get "Hi, this is Ian". However, I do only leave messages when I know it's you. And I did leave messages. Only 2, I don't chase anyone more than 2 phonecalls. So I assumed you didn't want to speak to me and that you'd call me when you wished.

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Originally posted by extrinsicRick
Questions for Ben:

1) Regarding the view of the object:

What angle should the camera normal intersect the Y-axis?

Haven't got a scoobies. Ask Behemoth.

2) Must the animation contain 30 frames, or can it be less?
As per Behemoths response. The engine must have a 30frame bitmap, if you want gaps in animation, leave several frames the same. For an idea of timing, the animation cycles at 5 frames per second for six seconds.

3) Give me a list of building type and functionality

Not yet agreed. For the time being, make anything you like and we'll invent a building around it. :D

4) Need I render damaged buildings?

I'll need to discuss this with Behemoth. I can amend the engine to include damaged buildings 'reasonably' easily. And it would look nice. I'm happy to go with that, but I don't make the decisions on my own.

Cheers fella

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Thanks for the work you're doing here Rick, it's appreciated. I'll wait until I see your work in the game until I buy you flowers though... ;)

PS Behemoth - When you messaged last night I was in the land of nod. My PC had restarted itself and was downloading porn, but as it restarted it loaded MSN and pretended I was online. I had a herd of messages this morning from all sorts of people who thought I was just ignoring them.

oh. ok.

I've been playing about with my MSN recently anyway. I had a security wakeup call, so I try not to have MSN running constantly (its being stupid signing me in and out constantly anyway)

college tonight? also, you didn't update me from a fortnight ago when i was on holiday...:)

OINK!!!

College! ****! I have a hairdressers appointment at 17:45. Rats. On a bike.

I'll join you at 1900 in the room then and you can go through what was lectured with me. Oh poo. Are we in exam season yet? **** **** ****.

Bollocks.

As for when you were on holiday - I forgot to go. I had nothing to remind me as you weren't here.

AARRRRGGGGGHHHH!!!!

Just done a quick ask around the office and no-one appears to be going. I think everyone's sacked this course off! Like hell I am though - I've paid for it!

PS - what was your security wakeup call?

I got a "message undeliverable" from somewhere I wouldn't have bothered mailing, with a mail I wouldn't have bothered sending.

I've since checked and double checked my system and I'm clean, so I can only assume its another virus message, as "hi, please open this file" doesn;t work anymore...

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Originally posted by Arbiter
OINK!!!

College! ****! I have a hairdressers appointment at 17:45. Rats. On a bike.

I'll join you at 1900 in the room then and you can go through what was lectured with me. Oh poo. Are we in exam season yet? **** **** ****.

Bollocks.

As for when you were on holiday - I forgot to go. I had nothing to remind me as you weren't here.

AARRRRGGGGGHHHH!!!!

Just done a quick ask around the office and no-one appears to be going. I think everyone's sacked this course off! Like hell I am though - I've paid for it!

PS - what was your security wakeup call?

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cancel the hairdressers appointment then. If you told me you wanted me to teach you HTML, you could have given me your money :p

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Originally posted by Behemoth
cancel the hairdressers appointment then. If you told me you wanted me to teach you HTML, you could have given me your money :p

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I don't really need teaching, but it's another certificate - which you couldn't have provided. Otherwise I would have gladly signed up with Behemoth University.