Some have said the same about Iraq... :rolleyes:
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Some have said the same about Iraq... :rolleyes:
Thats why I mentioned it, Iraqis wanted freedom, they dont want the Islamic Terroirists that are there now.Quote:
Originally Posted by zaza
Besides that has nothing to do with this topic anyway, and I did ask do the authorities have any evidence on these guys .. since they now say they wont until 2008?
Yeah, you go George.Quote:
Originally Posted by rory
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Originally Posted by rory
Some say that it has everything to do with this topic... :rolleyes:
What's the topic again? Rory, quit confusing me!!!
The Iraqis want freedom, but there are at least three groups currently in that country with three different concepts of what freedom is. The Kurds have long wanted their own country, and independent Kurdistan. That vision is strongly opposed by both Turkey and Iran (just to make for odd bed fellows). The Shiites have long wanted an islamic state more similar to Iran. When Britain created modern Iraq following WWII, the Sunnis were give the majority of the power because it was believed that the Shiites would create a religios state opposed to the intrests of GB. The Sunnis probably define freedom more closely as having what they had pre-Gulf War (I or II, you pick).
With three mutually opposing concepts of freedom, civil war seems to be the most likely result.
Hmmmm ... anyway i dont take the plane, i use the boat, so yall gat more invested in this than I do ... :wave:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
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Originally Posted by zaza
So, at this point in time, you do not believe there is cause to believe that Western secular nations are (at the very least) interfering with islamic states?Quote:
Originally Posted by rory
Define "islamic states" and "interfering".Quote:
Originally Posted by yrwyddfa
I dont believe in their religion (nor many others) so you need to cross that bridge with one of those so called believers.
I only recognise a country and its "legitimate" leaders which have been voted into leadership by the people, and who have the best interest of its people at heart; I dont recognise races, religions, or regimes.
So, do you live in one of these "Western secular nations"?
Dont need to answer if you dont want to, as this is a Free world. ..
Those with Islamic leadership. Interfering can be defined as (i)invading, (ii) political bullying etc etcQuote:
Originally Posted by rory
That's just fine. But you do believe in something . . .Quote:
I dont believe in their religion (nor many others) so you need to cross that bridge with one of those so called believers.
Not true. You've already stated a 'moral' obligation to recognise leadership of a country; one which I presume is democracy. What you say here is an oxymoron.Quote:
I only recognise a country and its "legitimate" leaders which have been voted into leadership by the people, and who have the best interest of its people at heart; I dont recognise races, religions, or regimes.
I live 30 miles SE of London, England.Quote:
So, do you live in one of these "Western secular nations"?
This is not a free world, and if you believe that then, I'm afraid, you are deluded.Quote:
Dont need to answer if you dont want to, as this is a Free world. ..
Perhaps a vacation to a 3rd world country will enlighten you ...Quote:
Originally Posted by yrwyddfa
nuff said for now, have fun in Jolly Old England .. :wave:
What are you talking about? I've been to Wales ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by rory
i actually know what yah mean .. been there too when i lived in England..Quote:
Originally Posted by yrwyddfa
:D :D
It's interesting how the British preach about multi-culturalism, tolerance and integration. Yet the Welsh nation has been ruled with an iron fist, or simply ignorance, not worth the effort of the current ruling regime (whether it be monarchistic or republic) for the best part of two millennia. It is un-politically correct to refer to another as an Arab, Jew, Black etc..yet it is acceptable to call someone Welsh in a derogatory manner? Seems ironic.Quote:
Originally Posted by yrwyddfa
I wonder also if Iraq is soon to go the way of Wales and be ruled by a foreign nation? I truly hope not for Wales has always been, and will always be, ignored by those who rule in Westminster.
*rant over*
Of course, that's the case. Hasn't it always been thus?Quote:
Originally Posted by Valleysboy1978
Messing around aside; it was a joke, with no intent. Nothing more, nothing less. My parents live in Wales, and I take many short-breaks in Wales, primarily because of the environment that you Welsh guys enjoy.
I think you'll find that the inverse situation is also true! I've experienced, myself the same ribbing from the more Gaelic locations around the UK. Did you known even Cornwall has a liberation movement?
BTW you are presupposing that the Welsh consitute a 'race' Of course they don't. Americans get a whole heat of abuse, these days, so do the French, Scottish, Irish etc etc. The term, perhaps, that you are looking for is countricism?
You have to admit though that Great Britain is quickly losing it's identity. Ask someone from any of the Home Nations and they would likely say they are English/Welsh/Scottish/Irish before saying they were Brittish. Previous generations however would be the opposite.
Race nowadays (thanks to the PC movement) would probably constitute many different things, and likely anything derogatory regarding where you come from or what you believe in.
I just find it interesting how these protestors continue to argue that we shouldn't interfere with a foreign nation, yet this practice has been going on for thousands of years. Most especially in Europe. The strong will always intefere with the weak as the weak are a potential future threats. That is why the Romans defeated the relatively peaceful nations of the time....to protect Rome
ValleysBoy, as an Irishman I feel you pain :(
An interesting thing about the Welsh/English/British situation is that King John actually merged Wales into England so you could argue that Wales is part of England rather than Britain. Of course, the average Welshman would stab your eyes out for even suggesting such a thing.
It's also possible to argue that the Welsh and the Cornish are racially different from the English. When the Angles and Saxons invaded they drove the Romano-British (themselves a mix of Briton natives and Roman settlers) into Wales and the West Country. Modern English are descended from these Germanic peoples rather than the original native Britons. In fact if Aurther existed, he was probably Welsh.
I knew about the KLF (Kernow Liberation Front) - they have a big hit with 'Last train to Tintagel' :bigyello:
And we're now truly off topic - unless the KLF were planning on blowing up the plane.
Indeed we would :D
Arthur would have indeed been Welsh, and Guinevere was said to be an Irish warrior princess, intended to unite the tribes of the Britons :thumb:
Not really off topic as it is all about percieved invasion, and indeed when Wales was being invaded in those days the peoples often revolted and resisted so it does sort of echo to what's happening now
Look we're all British. I am certainly English although from Spanish-Canadian descent.
Who cares? It was a bit of rib-tickling fun for me. If it makes you feel better than I apologise. I understand that the Irish make the best beer. I understand that the Welsh landscape is second to none in the world. I understand that Scotland make the best whiskey.
If you want to take away humour then do so; but remember you're doing the world a huge injustive by doing so.
To differentiate Welsh from English, for example, is a huge compliment . . . think about it.
My tongues certainly in my cheek and I've taken no offense at all. Though for the record the Irish make the best Whiskey too :D . (Actually I'm only 1/2 irish, my Dads a Londoner)
And the Spanish Canadians make the best... ermm.... nope, can't think of a thing. Actually I've never heard of Spanish Canadians :ehh:
BTW There's a freind of mine who's a member of the KLF. He keeps going on about fundamentalist pasties. I think, on the whole, they don't take independence very seriously. :rolleyes:
No need to apologise mate, knew you were jesting :thumb:
Just I find it curious how people make the current Iraq war to be this huge crisis, yet human history is filled with such events, and all wars end at some time.But as they say "history is written by the victors"
Before we all start being horribly nice to each other (which'll get terribly boring) allow me to stir some righteous patriotic fury back up:
Q. Why are all the jokes about an Englishman, Irishman and a Scotsman going into a bar? Where's the Welshman?
A. He's still in there from the night before.
Q. How do you confuse an Irishman?
A. Show him three shovels and tell him to take his pick.
Q. Why are 50 pence pieces the shape they are?
A. So you can pry them from a Scotsmans hand with a spanner.
Sadly I don't know any Englishman jokes.
they are a joke in any case.
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Originally Posted by Wally Pipp
Dexter, there's no need to feel bad about not being able to keep up with the Welshmen in drinking games. We're expert pi$$heads :D