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I have to laugh at this link not for the information contained within but the pictures and photos contained within. Take a look at the border on the left side.....its shows a picture of Saddam and a bunch of Iraqi's dressed in white.....makes them out to be innocent and pure. Then you get a different picture looking at the top of the page of the pictures of Bush and Blair looking all sinister and evil.Quote:
Nice to see propaganda isn’t dead :)
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If the UK and the US had have let Blix completed his job, then maybe we would have seen what Saddam was hiding without having to suffer the atrocities of war to do so. War should always be the last solution.Quote:
Originally posted by Xanith
Don't worry Gaffer you are going to see a lot of what Saddam has been hiding from the world as the war progresses. Then you will have the evidence that US intelligence had all along. Then you can rest well and be assured that this war was the right thing to do.
I'll tell you my way of thinking. My way of thinking is that if you live by the sword you must die by the sword. And there is nothing as indigestible that gross hippocracy.Quote:
And your right the Florida elections are another thing. I'm sure you think his brother had something to do with rigging the ballets down there. Of course Im only guessing but it goes in line of your way of thinking :)
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The US has had many presidents that deserve admiration, but when I see Bush, a man that used every low down dirty trick in the book to get into presidency, and then preaches the values of freedom and democracy, I believe it stinks of hippocracy.
That to me is a reasonable argument.
Ever notice that every picture you see of Saddam he is firing a shotgun off the balcony of his palace........ how many times have they repeated that clip....?Quote:
Originally posted by Xanith
I have to laugh at this link not for the information contained within but the pictures and photos contained within. Take a look at the border on the left side.....its shows a picture of Saddam and a bunch of Iraqi's dressed in white.....makes them out to be innocent and pure. Then you get a different picture looking at the top of the page of the pictures of Bush and Blair looking all sinister and evil.
Nice to see propaganda isn’t dead :)
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Once again we are back to the same old thing...Blix and the inspectors shouldn't have had to go in in the first place, because Saddam has had 12 years to disarm!
If it took someone where you work 12 years to write a report..I think they would have been fired about 11 years and 51 weeks ago!
And again if the inspections were to continue they would not amount to anything simply because the iraqi government was only providing enough evidence to keep the UN appeased.
We could let the inspections go on for 12 more years and total disarmament would not be accomplished. Why? because for every one weapon saddam says he destroyed, he would probably be building two more to replace it!
I never said propaganda didn’t exist on both sides. It does. Just pointing out some obvious anti-war propaganda in the link plenderj provided is all. It might lend credence to the people behind that site have ulterior motives in their presentation of the "facts". Therefore I dont put to much credence in anything posted there.Quote:
Originally posted by Futt Bucker
Ever notice that every picture you see of Saddam he is firing a shotgun off the balcony of his palace........ how many times have they repeated that clip....?
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Your country and other former colonial powers like France are well known for their actions of sending in troops and military action without the concent of anyone when their interests were at stake. How do you feel about your countries past I wonder? Are you ashamed?Quote:
I'll tell you my way of thinking. My way of thinking is that if you live by the sword you must die by the sword. And there is nothing as indigestible that gross hippocracy.
But you are right war should always be the last possible thing used. I believe that it was the only option in this case. I know you disagree but we both are entitled to our opinions.
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Yup you're right, and it could be the reason why why there are more people against the war in the UK than there are in the US - we know the consequences of hegemonic power more than most (plus the fact that terrorism is not a new phenomenon for us)Quote:
Originally posted by Xanith
Your country and other former colonial powers like France are well known for their actions of sending in troops and military action without the concent of anyone when their interests were at stake. How do you feel about your countries past I wonder? Are you ashamed?
Am I ashamed of my countries previous deeds? Absolutely, I think our actions in India and Afirca were appalling. But I do not wear my country's flag on my sleeve you see. That does not make me unpatriotic; I am proud to be British, but I see my country like I see a family member, many flaws, but I love them all the same.
BTW, I have demonstrated my willingness to discuss my country's history before: http://www.vbforums.com/showthread.p...em#post1358801
George Micheal says: "Shoot the dog"
Nad_Scorp says:
"Shoot the dog" and ****ing kill the Dogger :D :D
UK don't stick ur nose, Spain as well and u 2 UKastralia, Oops Australia.:p
We all know why America is going to war ? OIL and some other clear stuff i won't discuss.
Don't fool us saying they won't to free Iraq, people there seems to prefare Saddam rather than USA's INVASION :o
USA brought Saddam,helped him and gave him weapons
Do you think Saddam has a pocket nuclear bomb ? GET REAL he does :D
Let's face it. US, stand up , get ur **** and get out
PEACE 2 ALL
Yes, I am ashamed of Britain past. It's disgraceful. I am still proud to be British though. There is a big difference. Can you say the same about the States? Do you see anything wrong with America's past, or is it all justifiable to you?Quote:
Originally posted by Xanith
Your country and other former colonial powers like France are well known for their actions of sending in troops and military action without the concent of anyone when their interests were at stake. How do you feel about your countries past I wonder? Are you ashamed?
I had always kinda hoped that we had evolved beyond those days and were a more enlightened society that didn't require us to solve our differences with war first... diplomacy second.
Where were you the last 6 months when America was trying everything under the sun to solve this diplomatically? Hmm? DId you miss all that? How can you say we're trying war first? And you wonder why you get called ignorant, it's not because you disagree with the "war mongers" it's because your comments are usually full of rhetoric and half truths as well as full out lies.Quote:
Originally posted by Futt Bucker
Yes, I am ashamed of Britain past. It's disgraceful. I am still proud to be British though. There is a big difference. Can you say the same about the States? Do you see anything wrong with America's past, or is it all justifiable to you?
I had always kinda hoped that we had evolved beyond those days and were a more enlightened society that didn't require us to solve our differences with war first... diplomacy second.
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Originally posted by Arc
Where were you the last 6 months when America was trying everything under the sun to solve this diplomatically? Hmm? DId you miss all that? How can you say we're trying war first? And you wonder why you get called ignorant, it's not because you disagree with the "war mongers" it's because your comments are usually full of rhetoric and half truths as well as full out lies.
Ha ha ha - I would laugh if it wasn't so tragic. How has Bush been trying to solve this diplomatically? He has been shifting his requests for compliance (is this about WMD, terrorrism or leadership change?), sabotaging the weapons inspectors at every turn (they're not working, they've never worked - all sound familiar). For months now we've all said that all Bush want's is war. It was that obvious months ago! He was only held in check in the hopes that he could get the UN to legitamise his war. When he couldn't, he could hardly wait to issue an ultimatum that everyone in the entire world knew was impossible for Saddam to accept? If you think the Bush has been a good diplomatic in this crisis, then I shudder to think what he would have to do for you to think of him as a poor diplomat!!
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Originally posted by Arc
And you wonder why you get called ignorant,
.... no I don't, I know it's because you are a little venomous child who has to resort to name calling when his "facts" are disproved...
Could you point me to some of these half truths and full out lies? Or is this more made up "facts" from Arc's news-service :pQuote:
Originally posted by Arc
..... it's not because you disagree with the "war mongers" it's because your comments are usually full of rhetoric and half truths as well as full out lies.
Before I start, I have to tell you that I live in a country of mixed and diverse cultures. I coexist peacefully with all other races and religions. Imagine if a 'holy war' was declared against US and Britain. I know how the Muslim people are and how they stick to their religion. Also consider that you cannot protect every British or American from others trying to harm them, even in their own country. At some point this whole thing could get out of hand. If the whole muslim population of the world gets roped in to this, do you think that Britain and Europe have even considered that? I am certain that is not a part of their game plan. If Saddam is about to be assisinated, his last word would most obviously be 'Jihad'. In the spirit of the Muslim religion, he would become a martyr to be glorified by Allah, so to speak.
The involved parties should have carefully thought of the consequences of their actions. I think that the US government thought that they would easily walk over Iraq in 10 days and that would be it. Now it reminds me of Vietnam where the US got cleaned up. The US acted proactively instead of defensively. (What was the big hurry to instigate war??)
I don't think that war is the right way anyway. It is stupid and I am sorry for all the people affected right now. They are people and people in my opinion are important, not money or power. Although they have a different culture, they think and feel just like we do, and the sad thing is that this most basic respect is being neglected.
When the hell did a Muslim care if something is legal or illegal.
If its legal they will do it.
If its not legal then Allah sais its OK.
BOMB MECCA
Yep, and for the Americans, they don't care anymore about legalities of wars either. If it's legal, they are gonna wage it. If it's illegal, Bush supports it and advocates it and advertises it, and they will wage it anyway.Quote:
Originally posted by venerable bede
When the hell did a Muslim care if something is legal or illegal.
If its legal they will do it.
If its not legal then Allah sais its OK.
BOMB MECCA
I think I find some kind of a pattern here. :rolleyes:
I think by all counts, the UK has been doing a better job. It didn't appear as trigger-happy as the US, and even in the war, the UK forces are doing a much much better job. One look at the source of friendly fires is enough ;)
And I don't think I should show much sympathy to the likes of you over 9/11 when you constantly talk of bombing a sacred place in another country for no apparent reasons. I say bomb WTC again!!
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