I think we should be able to agree that "temporary" does not mean "permanent" - at least outside of Orwellian double-speak.Quote:
Originally Posted by wes4dbt
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I think we should be able to agree that "temporary" does not mean "permanent" - at least outside of Orwellian double-speak.Quote:
Originally Posted by wes4dbt
We can also agree that temporary often turns into permanent with immigration. Otherwise how did we all end up being citizens?Quote:
Originally Posted by dilettante
We killed the residents.
In any case, we need temporary workers, and in large numbers. The solution we have come up with is to do nothing. The solution Trump has come up with is to get rid of all of them. Neither of those is a solution to the problem we have.
I find that a very compelling argument. If we've let them stay here for 25 years, they've established them selves as contributing members of are society, then what reason is there to force them to leave after such a long period of time? Give them a pathway to citizenship. It's a win win.Quote:
I also don't hear an argument for why there is a need for these people to stay under a temporary protected status other than it doesn't seem right to just take it away after so long.
He reversed course on that statement within days. Both verbally and in action. Currently there are raids on Ag workers out in the fields by ICE happening here in CA. I'm not pointing that out to say it's right or wrong for ICE to conduct these raiders, just that Trump didn't cave on this subject.Quote:
Trump started caving when agricultural businesses started pointing out that if 25-50% of their workforce gets deported then that will hurt his economy.
It took me a while to figure out what you meant by "We killed the residents". My guess is you were referring to the native Americans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
We definitely need temporary workers but I would not say temporary workers and TPS are the same thing. But our actions have basically been the same for both groups.
That's some pretty twisted logic to justify creating a servant underclass.Quote:
Originally Posted by wes4dbt
Few people came here in the past with the means to get bored and run home after a dalliance with residence here. I think you know this full well, just as you know that foreign invasion sneaking in under the radar is not the same sort of thing at all.
I'd like to imagine that this worldview is just demented and willingly uninformed. Sadly it seems far more likely to be selfish and immoral based on desire for a servant underclass we hadn't seen since plantation slavery. Counting them in the Census also helped give these miscreants outsized political power.
Apparently criminal culture is also a prized development of this societal unraveling.
I doubt the Democratic Party has a hope in hell of becoming relevant again, no matter how fast and hard they turn and spit out the Left. But anything is possible if they can roll back everything to at least pre-Reagan causes and policies. It isn't healthy to have one political voice in charge since without opposition there is no check on corruption.
Perhaps the sedition and treason trials and sentences will chase more rats off that sinking ship before it's gone?
Didn't they drag the body of Mussolini behand a car on a tour of Italy after he was deposed and executed?
That got to be one of the most twisted and nonsensical replies I've ever read and completely irrelevant to the quote it was responding to.Quote:
Originally Posted by dilettante
Add to that it's full of completely false claims.Quote:
We can also agree that temporary often turns into permanent with immigration. Otherwise how did we all end up being citizens?
Have you no knowledge of the coal mining towns, where they literally worked people to an early death and didn't even pay them in real money. Only script that could be used at their stores. What about the early steel industry, how do you think Carnegie got so rich? By crushing the backs of workers with 12hr shifts, 6 or 7 days a week and only providing enough pay to keep them in poverty. Who do you think built the railroads? Underpaid immigrants. When haven't immigrants been the people in the lowest paying jobs?Quote:
Sadly it seems far more likely to be selfish and immoral based on desire for a servant underclass we hadn't seen since plantation slavery.
To claim it's worse today is just completely false. If you truly believe that then your either denying history or delusional. It's an ugly history but the rich abusing the most vulnerable is not new and certainly not worse than in the past.
As for this,
I haven't heard of any such trials and I got no idea the meaning of your false claim about Mussolini.Quote:
Perhaps the sedition and treason trials and sentences will chase more rats off that sinking ship before it's gone?
Didn't they drag the body of Mussolini behand a car on a tour of Italy after he was deposed and executed?
Don't you think the same thing could be said about the Republican party when the Democrats were the majority in congress(except being the oldest party). Both parties are constantly searching for what will get them the most votes and are more than willing to change their stance on issues.Quote:
Michael Malice makes the point that its short-sighted for republicans to think that the democratic party is down for the count. They are the oldest party in America for a reason, and you can pinpoint several instances where they have done 180 flips to keep/regain power in their nearly 200-year history.
The sedition ran deep. Pretending you don't know about these treasonous activities suggests you've had you heads in the sand.
https://youtu.be/pdm7nsfsVVk?si=XNjf-9jgj5_iBEXt
The "Russia, Russia, Russia" hoax has been shown to be just that with no uncertainty.
Random youtube videos aren't proof. If we are being honest this is just another attempt by a a known sex offender to try and distract from his relationship to another sex offender and paedophile.
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/cyber/rus...-u-s-elections
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate...ntial_election
https://www.reuters.com/article/worl...idUSKCN25E2OY/
https://www.acslaw.org/projects/the-...ueller-report/
https://www.npr.org/2020/08/18/90361...-2016-election
Of course not but if that's the only way you can justify your beliefs, that's what you use. Dil found these "rats" guilty a long time ago.Quote:
Random youtube videos aren't proof.
Oh please. You aren't fooling anyone with your constant bullshit.
Random videos? As in a briefing by the Director of National Intelligence? What do you want? Aliens to come down and explain the facts of life to you?
Russiagate was always a hoax, and now the Administration has the receipts proving Obama was behind it.
Sticking your heads in the sand is not serving anyone. This is a golden age. Shed your chains, free your slaves, and re-join America. You'll enjoy it.
It looks like the Renaissance is even inspiring Brits. Who knows? Perhaps they'll finally pull their finger out as well!
British Patriots FIGHT BACK Outside Migrant Hotel In Canary Wharf
https://www.youtube.com/live/TgFmyZ1...w-K4IHJeRxAcjL
Trump isn't trying to distract Democrats, he's trying to distract his base...desperately. OBAMA...BIDEN....SQUIRREL!!!
Anybody who was paying attention during the 80s and 90s would know that Trump abused pretty much everybody, so it's no surprise if he was going after underage girls. The only age limit he stated was that he felt that 12 was too young. His wackier base always thought he was their champion going after the pedophile cabal, now they're realizing that he was part of it. Trump never expected Democrats to support him. He never expected a good portion of independents to support him. But he sure needs his base to support him, and this issue is beginning to open their eyes.
If the Republicans in the house doesn't fear his base, then they won't fear Trump. Polling is starting to show that. He's always had a lower limit because of his ardent base. He's starting to dip below that lower limit, which means that the base is less ardent.
And so they have sent out the new party line to folks like Dil, and here it is.
And it's working. It's like giving food to a starving person, they are just gobbling it up. They are sure trials and convictions are coming.Quote:
And so they have sent out the new party line to folks like Dil, and here it is.
But if you pay attention to the report it's about no evidence of Russian interference with the actual voting systems. The problem is, that was never the claim.
It'll be interesting to see how far they want to ride this horse.
https://www.factcheck.org/2025/07/ga...ng-coup-claim/ this appears to be yet another Trump appointee doing and saying whatever it takes to keep Trump's favour. There are no receipts, there is just a very deliberate attempt to misinterpret the actual findings.Quote:
Originally Posted by dilettante
So your idea of a Golden Age is a country run by a convicted sex offender and felon, one of the worst National Deficits in modern times (admittedly not as bad as when Trump was last in power...), people being "arrested" without due process and thrown into concentration camps, tax breaks for the billionaires while normal people get their support and medical aid cut. But at least you can now have cane sugar in your coke.
Ah, but the Medicare cuts were delayed until after the midterm elections, because...or course they were.
Yeah, I noticed that. Sneaky little buggers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
Sorry that I'm throwing back a bit in the thread but I've been away for a week so catching up.
I did want to answer this:-
[quote]what's stopping them going back to their native countries and applying for citizenship?[quote]
I think there are two broad answers.
If you're talking about TPS, that is, in theory at least, given to people for whom returning to their country of origin would be dangerous. It's not a migrant measure, it's a refugee one. If you look into the case of Kilmar Abrego Garcia, ICE returned him to a country where gangs had actively threatened to kill him (they were extorting his father's business). Sending him back there seems pretty barbaric. Particularly when you combine it with locking him up alongside those gang members. And, to pre-empt Dil's inevitable flailings, no there was no evidence that he was a member of MS13 or any other gang. The administration produced precisely one photo which had clearly been photoshopped:-
Attachment 195209
I mean... I'm surprised they didn't use a sharpie. Of course, If they hadn't ignored due process we might be able to examine evidence further - but they did remove that.
If you're talking about non TPS immigrants, then I think we have to consider the impact of the upheaval on the individual. You're got people being deported who came here as children and have lived their whole lives in the US. Yes, perhaps they could return to their country of origin and reapply but that means leaving their job, their school, their social and support network and, in many cases, returning to a country where they don't speak the language. The impact of that is massive. At that point I feel you'd be punishing the individual for the failures of a system which took a quarter of a century to process them.
On the Epstien thing - yeah, Trump's in the files. You'd have to be deep in the cult not to believe that an adjudicated sex offender who bragged about grabbing women by the vagina and invading miss teen pageant dressing rooms, was described by Epstein as his best friend, acknowledged that Epstein liked 'em young, wished Guillain Maxwell well and is now floating a pardon for her isn't in it up to his neck.
... but Hillary's emails!
My mistake, he had Withholding of Removal Status.Quote:
Kilmar Abrego Garcia, isn't a TPS case
I think TPS would still come under the second answer I gave though. If someone's been in the country long enough you're not really sending them "home" any more. There comes a point as which "home" is the USA. If these people were being processed and their cases resolved promptly then I think it would be less of a problem returning them to their country of origin (assuming it's now safe) but after 25 years it seems perverse to me. And given that ICE are now staking out citizenship hearings it's hard to argue that these people are trying to buck the system - they're trying to follow it. Trouble is the system is broken.
I think the interesting thing will be see how the more fanatical MAGA crowd will react if evidence does prove Trumps involvement. Will they denounce him, claim it is a cover up / fake news / Obama did it all while wearing a Trump mask just like Tom Cruise in the MI films / or somehow attempt to justify that *certain ages* are acceptable for underage sex. Would certainly be interesting to see if anyone who is a supporter actually changes their mind and denounces him if proof was presented.Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDexter
Wow. I guess they do make Extra-Strength Copium! Hanging your hopes on Epstein isn't going anywhere.
Meanwhile Trump scores win, after win, after win. Not for himself, but for Americans. He is now arguably the most popular person on the planet.
The Femicrats are left with an ever-dwindling level of support and trust. The only thing they have left is a gaggle of nutty and corrupt America-hating Marxists and Islamists and a very few vestigial fringe types from the old guard like Newsome. Their support is nearly down to a cadre of old dried up biddies and fellow-traveler anarchists, probably funded by the CCP.
That was a rush job. The idiot who altered that image didn't use Photoshop, but Microsoft Word! When I open Microsoft Word 2010, it's default starting font is always set to Calbri, which this idiot used to fake the tattooed letters. It's a Microsoft computer font no tattoo artist would ever use. The idiot then typed out the text with that font on a single line, spacing the letters simply with the spacebar. For each letter selected independent of the others letters, set it's vertical position by pressing Ctrl-D for the Font pop-up, clicked it's Advance Tab, set Lowered and Raised in the Position dropdown, and set the By value (e.g., 1 pt, 2 pt, up to whatever pt). Also adjusted the letters opacity a bit. I'm not sure how this idiot saved the image from Microsoft Word, but he definitely used it. After creating it, they probably paid an amature Photoshop artist to touch it up, which was poorly done.Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDexter
Below is the proof, in Microsoft Word 2010, using it's default Calibri font, I typed the letters on one line, simply spacing them apart with the spacebar:
https://www.vbforums.com/images/ieimages/2025/07/2.jpg
I then positioned the whole line of text to be inline with the letter M in the image, then selected the other letters individually, and adjusted their vertical positions:
https://www.vbforums.com/images/ieimages/2025/07/3.jpg
The last image I highlighted the text just to prove it's a single line of text:
https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...0/proof_c.jpg"
The ink tattoo artists use is not truly black, and they all look the same, which is another clue that those tattooed letters are fake.
Absolutely delusional, your inability to believe anything about Trump that isn't spouted by Trump himself is utter cult like mentality. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...rm/ar-AA1Jrq7h is that honestly the approval rating of the most popular person on the planet?Quote:
Originally Posted by dilettante
Win after win? He is panicking over being associated with a paedophile and sex offender, is refusing to reveal information the sign of an honest man with nothing to hide? He is trashing your medicaid, adding £2 - 3 trillion to your deficit, your cost of living is increasing, there are constant flip-flops on tariffs (I am sure the tariffs on the island inhabited by penguins made everyone's life better), he is allowing ICE to bypass any due process and round up and deport to concentration camps anyone they feel like, and he is making USA an joke on the world stage.
The fact you resort to such pathetically childish terms as "femicrat" speaks volumes about you and your already proven hatred of women.
But hey, tax cuts for billionaires, cane sugar in coke, and possibly a pardon for a convicted sex trafficer - he is winning on the things that matter to the average American.
I think you got your answer:rolleyes:Quote:
I think the interesting thing will be see how the more fanatical MAGA crowd will react if evidence does prove Trumps involvement.
What happens when you deport them? What do you imagine will happen when they arrive back in their country, where they have no home, no job and no support system? These are not wealthy people. You don't seem to have a problem with them becoming citizens so why take away everything they have built here just because our system failed them? Why not allow them to stay and give them a path to permanent residence. If they don't take that path, then that's a different conversation.Quote:
That's why I'd prefer to see those who followed the rules and were "good guests" prioritized to receive citizenship after they're deported. But as wes4dbt already pointed out, Trump is not likely to do that.
From your previous posts I've never noticed you were a strict "be cause it's the law" person.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/golf/202...ating-at-golf/ he can't even be honest when playing golf!
I agree. I don't get the impression DD's position is driven by any form of malice (he's the Mr Nice Guy of the mods :)) so I'm guessing it's more driven by a principled stance. I shouldn't make assumptions though.Quote:
What happens when you deport them? What do you imagine will happen when they arrive back in their country, where they have no home, no job and no support system? These are not wealthy people. You don't seem to have a problem with them becoming citizens so why take away everything they have built here just because our system failed them? Why not allow them to stay and give them a path to permanent residence. If they don't take that path, then that's a different conversation.
To me the question comes to, why bother deporting them only to bring them back? Setting aside the impact on their life, just consider the cost associated. Deporting someone costs a fortune. Why not process their claim promptly while they're in the country and then only deport them if that's the adjudicated outcome?
Except for people that share his beliefs who doesn't he hate? His posts are consistently full of name calling and various other angry hateful comments.Quote:
The fact you resort to such pathetically childish terms as "femicrat" speaks volumes about you and your already proven hatred of women.
I don't know about that. You must need to borrow money. :)Quote:
he's the Mr Nice Guy of the mods
Squirrel!!!!!
We'll see...as my grandmother used say, "Something smells to high heavens!"Quote:
Originally Posted by dilettante
Oh yeah, now it's "hatred of women" and "everyone else." Such nonsense.
Let your hatred go. All you have to lose are your chains. Things are really nice out here in the sunshine. How hard can it be to swallow that partisan pride and rejoin society? Come over to the right side of history.
Perhaps I have misunderstood the affection and support you really intended when you used phrases like "dried up old hags", or "crying into their pearls" when describing women being upset that a sex offender is now in charge of their reproductive rights, or don't forget your claim that women choosing to have sex on their own terms is no different to sexual assault. I guess you really do love and respect females....Quote:
Originally Posted by dilettante
Don't forget the racist posts you have had removed as well, is that another example of your support for people of colour?
How about your opinion of a 2 year old cancer sufferer deserving to be deported without access to life saving medicine?
A direct question for you then, if there was evidence that Trump was found to be having sex with under age girls - would you still support him, or would you condemn his actions?Quote:
Originally Posted by dilettante
When the hell did that ever happen? Quite an accusation there.Quote:
Originally Posted by PlausiblyDamp
Howa does anyone (but a moderator?) "have posts removed" here anyway?
I guess you just can't avoid making everything personal. How the hell did you ever get to be a moderator here?Quote:
Originally Posted by PlausiblyDamp
And of course I'd condemn such actions. I resent the very tone of your question. When the story comes out though, you might find the shoe on the other foot. Need I mention your twisted fruit Prince Andrew? You can bet that UK names will dominate the lists of child abusers when those finally come out.
This site desperately needs an ombudsman. Several of you should have moderator status stripped and probably be banned. Such blatant, hateful bigotry and personal attacks need to be strenuously corrected.
As if the calls for assassination made here and cheers for the attempts were not cause enough.
How sick in your soul. It is hard to believe such people can function outside an asylum for the dangerously ill.
In case you haven't caught on, calling people "racist" has no impact any more. You and your ilk have rendered it entirely meaningless and the sign of a very small mind.
I'd say your previous response proves that's not true. It provoked an unhinged flailing response from you.Quote:
Originally Posted by dilettante
It was a simple direct question. Your a Trump supporter and he asked if you would continue to support him. It could have been answered with a simple yes/no or you could have added your reasoning. But instead you add a rant about the UK, which has no relevance.Quote:
I guess you just can't avoid making everything personal. How the hell did you ever get to be a moderator here?
And of course I'd condemn such actions. I resent the very tone of your question. When the story comes out though, you might find the shoe on the other foot. Need I mention your twisted fruit Prince Andrew? You can bet that UK names will dominate the lists of child abusers when those finally come out.
Then you decide to started accusing people here of things that never happened.
Never happened here.Quote:
As if the calls for assassination made here and cheers for the attempts were not cause enough.
Which leads to your normal insulting rhetoric.
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How sick in your soul. It is hard to believe such people can function outside an asylum for the dangerously ill.
I've never thought Dil was racist in any way. I don't agree with him on much, but I'd say he champions the worker, as he sees fit, regardless of race.
To borrow a term you used in a response to a post I made about "Israel in the past". This "as he sees fit" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Not sure that's the exact quote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
I am not a moderator here, never have been. So no idea where that came from....Quote:
Originally Posted by dilettante
Really appreciate your honesty in saying you would condemn him, that is all I wanted to know.Quote:
And of course I'd condemn such actions. I resent the very tone of your question. When the story comes out though, you might find the shoe on the other foot. Need I mention your twisted fruit Prince Andrew? You can bet that UK names will dominate the lists of child abusers when those finally come out.
Feel free to mention Prince Andrew, I have never one done anything to support him or claim he was anything other than a probable nonce. If UK names are revealed then I would condemn them as well, nationality doesn't excuse that behaviour from anyone.
Personally I think the mods here do a decent job, not being a mod though it would be tricky to strip that from me.Quote:
This site desperately needs an ombudsman. Several of you should have moderator status stripped and probably be banned. Such blatant, hateful bigotry and personal attacks need to be strenuously corrected.
Never happened.Quote:
As if the calls for assassination made here and cheers for the attempts were not cause enough.
Remember your post about Uncle Tom and Plantations? I didn't remove it but I did threaten to ban you over it.Quote:
When the hell did that ever happen?
You may or may not be racist or misogynist but lately you increasingly use racist and misogynist insults. People will draw that conclusion.
Your arguments remain entirely specious.Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDexter
I'm not the one arguing in favor of a servant underclass. And both of those terms have specific historical relevance and meanings in present day citation. Nothing "racist" there whatsoever.
And if the dwindling Democratic Party hardly holds onto anyone but older and bitter white women who hate themselves and the world, I calls 'em as I sees 'em. That's not misogyny. It is far from all women. In fact, significant numbers of normal women have either come to support Trump, take a neutral position, or drop out to wait and see how the winds blow.
So your labels are fairly meaningless, and in any case they do nothing to change the facts - which I presume to be your purpose.
But I suppose when you come from a closed authoritarian society that proscribes speech and jails people for "unwelcome" expression I suppose you can't understand any of that.
I guess I don't care about a ban. It would only prove my case.
Yes. They do. They aver to history of slavery and the privilege house slaves received by being overly subservient to their master. Applying them to a black man and his place of work was deeply racist, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.Quote:
both of those terms have specific historical relevance and meanings in present day citation.
Talk about shooting the messenger. https://apnews.com/article/trump-job...e9bf4f3ec89195
Must be a nightmare to work at a job where Trump has the ability to fire you. Unless your willing to lie for him. He reminds me of the Queen of Hearts. Anything he dislikes, "Off with their head".
Probably a whole lot of people out there pretty nervous about their job security.
Alongside that, the Smithsonian has removed Trump from the list of impeached presidents.
Reality is no longer relevant.
I hadn't heard about that. But hey, it they were able to keep their jobs. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDexter
Fiddler on the Roof
Attachment 195252
On top of the world, ma!!!
Probably to old of a movie for many people to know that line.
You mean "Made it, ma! Top of the world!" from the final scene of White Heat.Quote:
Originally Posted by wes4dbt
I knew the quote but I never knew where it came from. I've learned something today. It's not a useful thing... but it's a thing.
I mad man on top of a burning bomb spouting insanities. They could be twins.
I hear the China tariffs have been postponed again. I won't deny that part of me wants to crow about Tacos but I think it's actually a good thing. The longer the worst of the tariffs are held off the better.
Hardly a surprise, seems to be one of his go to distraction techniques - announce a tariff, delay tariff, repeat. Anything to try and get Epstein off the front page.Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDexter
For a country that relies so heavily on imports tariffs are going to be a massive tax on regular Americans, if you had time to build up your manufacturing etc. and not be so reliant on imports then tariffs could be a good thing, but this is just another tax on the population. (or would be if they actually happened)
I don't know that it has anything to do with Epstein, he was doing this nonsense before that came back up again. Besides even if there is something incriminating in the files he would just say it's fake news or a witch hunt and the GOP would cover for him because they are terrified to do anything to anger him. His faithful supports would accept what he said.Quote:
Originally Posted by PlausiblyDamp
I do agree that tariffs are a tax on Americans. So far businesses have done a good job of absorbing the costs by stocking up and actually eating some of the cost but that will end. Then again this could all disappear tomorrow with Trump cancelling the tariffs. I've given up spending any time trying to figure out how this is going to play out. There's some really bad scenarios but there is also just as good a chance that nothing really changes.
He sees tariffs as a means into bullying other countries to get what he wants. I doubt the consequences to Americans ever crosses his mind.Quote:
Don't get me wrong, I abhor tariffs. I think he has one of the most naive understandings of how tariffs work, especially in the context of the regulatory and tax system we have today.
But it looks like even the markets stopped taking his tariff threats seriously. That and I really think TACO President is a hilarious name, sounds like something he would've came up with like "Little Marco" or "Crooked Hilary".
The TACO memes are funny but I don't like them. I'm worried he'll get embarrassed by them and wont backtrack. Then we're stuck with these crazy tariffs.
What consequences? If you have paid any attention whatsoever you'd realize the tariffs have had ZERO impact on prices and inflation. That just isn't a thing. Even car prices have held steady.
The idea that negotiating and tweaking tariffs is somehow waffling is pure derangement talking.
Disinfecting the system of the pernicious globalism that grew like a cancer out of an earnest attempt to bail out other countries post-WW II is certainly going to come with some pain. That along with skyrocketing debt puts the Dollar under great pressure at this time.
However as much as the rest of the world would like to gloat, their own debt woes are far worse even before the welfare paid to them by US workers dries up.
Then you have the growing social problems and high crime around the world stemming directly from woke policies. It is pretty bad when Mexico issues warnings to its people about traveling to the UK. There you can now be held as a vigilante for defending yourself against a crime, at a time when crime is rampant.
If you're that worried about the future maybe you should be burying gold, silver, and bullets in the back yard. :p
Why so bitter? The world changes, poor old man remains the same. . .Quote:
Originally Posted by dilettante
What are going to do when they ban you from these forums? Who are you going to blame for not understanding your point?
cheers,
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Not sure I understand what your saying. Are you saying, price increases are the result of inflation? It's seems to me price increases results in inflation, inflation couldn't exist without price increases. Or at a minimum they happen at the same time. Sort of a chicken or egg thing.Quote:
Inflation is more money chasing the same amount of goods, the resulting price increase is a side effect. But I will grant you that when you say "inflation" that you're actually talking about the resulting price increases.
Yeah, sort of a shotgun approach. Just keep firing, your bound to hit something. I definitely don't see any real target other than self promotion.Quote:
to me it just looks like a guy throwing crap around and seeing what sticks