Nope, we sold off the rights to your opinion and bought pizza with the proceeds....not very much, either, didn't even make for a good lunch.
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I'm not sure about that. I'd guess there's considerable variation across this country. You've convinced me that the situation you are dealing with in MI is considerably different from the situation in ID. There are some similarities, but plenty of notable differences. For this state, I suspect that the full vaccination numbers are kind of a quirk of the calendar, at this particular moment. We had a staid and reasonably well thought out, if overly conservative, rollout plan. The supply quickly outstripped demand, so the carefully crafted plan that opened vaccination to new, generally small, groups each week got tossed in the trash and was replaced with a scattered, barely publicized, far faster rollout plan. I was watching the plan every couple days, yet by the time I got my first dose, the best information I could find was that I wasn't eligible for another week. I thought that Wal-Mart had just said, "screw it, let's vaccinate everybody." As it turns out, they were following a plan that I couldn't find on any state site, at the time, but which was subsequently publicized. I still don't know when it went into effect.
However, because of that, a whole load of people didn't know they were eligible, yet, and a large group got the first dose and will be soon getting the second dose. We just haven't been far enough since eligibility opened up for then to have had a shot at two doses. Supply hasn't been an issue in this state, eligibility and knowing about eligibility has. They were planning for a supply crunch, and ended up with a supply surplus that caused eligibility to go kind of haywire.
Meanwhile, over in WA, my sister, who is older than me, only became eligible for the vaccine last Friday. She has no chance of being fully vaccinated without cheating the system by some means. I don't know if they have a supply crunch, or if something else is driving their, rather late, eligibility.
Biden officials rebuff appeals to surge Covid-19 vaccine to Michigan amid growing crisis
So much for following the science, listening to the experts, etc.Quote:
Amid Michigan’s worst-in-the-nation coronavirus surge, scientists and public health officials are urging the Biden administration to flood the state with additional vaccine doses.
So far, though, their plea has fallen on deaf ears.
Here we go.
Up to ages of 30 years old, heart issues with vaccines in Israel started to immerse.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...ot-2021-04-25/
Here we go? Tens of cases out of millions of doses. What's the rate normally? Most issues have a rate that high just to have a name.
Tens of case they showed up.
More to come unfortunately.
And I suppose a vaccine given heart inflammation to 30yearers is normal. Like, "Yo dude, I just got this great vaccine that ,,,blew my heart!" (bad attempt on a pun there )
Hope this won't turn to a roller coaster.
But some cases here, some cases there, they add up in a very sort time.
Unfortunately, but they add up.
Another question is why they vaccinated 30yearers. Even if the chance of your heart to explode is slim, it's still greater than death by covid that in those ages is 0,00000001 give or take.
P.S. I'm joking about the explosion, but it would resemble....THIS! :eek2:
Not much to that story except the headline. A few people that got vaccinated have inflammation. They're not sure if it's related or even above normal. Your gonna have to work a little harder to prove the vaccine is more dangerous than the virus. Plus there is the fact that one person can infect many people. You might need to work on your math, the odds of dying from COVID, well if your interested, are @ 972/million in Greece. I'm sure you think that a lie but are all the countries in the world also lying.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
I realised I'd done that just after posting the second thread and even thought about changing it. "To be fair" is a habit of mine and I do it far more often in every day speech than I do when writing/typing. I'm going to try and be less fair in future.Quote:
Oh no, the "to be fair" police are here
Absolutely you are and people are entitled to agree or disagree. Unfortunately, with an emotional subject like this, disagreement can end up coming across as personal attack but it's not meant that way.Quote:
I think I'm entitled to my opinion
With this virus there isn't a "right" position, just a least damaging one. The virus could kill you but lockdowns crush businesses, curtail the flow of our lives and can cause all sorts of side effects and anxiety issues... pick your poison. I think you've picked the wrong choice but that doesn't mean I think you're stupid, ignorant or any of the other things these disagreements can come across as.
I've seen news reports that both the US and UK are sending over large amounts of aid. I haven't heard anything from the EU but I imagine they're going to send over a lot of help too (it's something they tend to be good at). We're behind the curve but help is on the way. Sadly, acting too late has been a theme in this virus.Quote:
Hopefully aid from other countries will arrive soon.
never mind...
I'm not sure that they will. Both Pfizer and Moderna are using mRNA vaccines. So, if they are causing this, then what is doing it? It seems like you have four options:
1) The delivery mechanism (the mRNA is wrapped in lipid bubbles such that it can reach the cells without being degraded).
2) The mRNA.
3) The resulting protein.
4) Something in the solution.
The second one seems pretty improbable. After all, you are generating vast amounts of mRNA all the time in every cell. It's not terribly stable. It's made up of stuff that you are loaded with (the four building blocks have to be abundant in your cells already, since you ARE creating mRNA constantly.
The third is more interesting. That protein is the spike protein. If that's causing a problem, then the virus can cause problems without even infecting you, because the virus is covered with that stuff.
The fourth could be dispensed with, if it could be identified, since alternatives could be found.
As to the first, not much to say about that, but it seems pretty unlikely, since it assumes that it gets all through your body, which doesn't seem like the way it works. The injection is into a muscle, not the bloodstream, and it wouldn't float around looking for a cell to merge with, or at least wouldn't do that for long.
So, if the incidence gets above the background rate of the same thing, and if it's shown to be related to the vaccine, then there's something to learn here. Still, it isn't clear that either of the first two will happen.
I thought the standard comeback for "to be fair" was affirmation: "well, that's mighty white of you."
It could also be hormonal... or something else isolated to a specific group of people. That's what happened with the J&J vaccine. 6 cases out of millions of cases showed a particular side effect. From what I've been able to gather, it seems to be isolated to a specific age group, to a specific group of people. And even within the general population that fits that demographic, the rate of occurrence is still low. It's possible that they will find something similar here. Fine, switch to one of the others that isn't experiencing problems. It isn't the first time that a medication has been know to show adverse effects due to a genetic incompatibility. Sickle cell anemia has been the source of problems in delivering certain types of drugs in the past as well. Certain groups of people are predispositioned to it more than others. That doesn't mean the drugs are less effective or don't work, it just means that for certain people and alternative needs to be found.
-tg
Many countries do not have vaccines, and we have almost no patients in China, so many people are reluctant to get vaccinated.We now have no limited supply of vaccines, and almost everyone can be vaccinated.
Now the most serious thing is that India has all kinds of rallies. I don't know, tens of millions of yuan.
The president of the United States and the Prime Minister of India often ignore the lives of the people and eventually step down, for them, it is just a loss of a job.
Yeah, China was able to suppress the virus pretty effectively, but they did so with measures that aren't available to most of the other countries in the world. In the US, people objected to being told to do ANYTHING, and the government has limited power to enforce lockdowns. Even when we had things we called lockdowns, they were largely voluntary.
Yeah, religious gatherings and political gatherings. Both were well attended and held in total disregard of the virus. They thought they had it beaten, just as China does. Now they're scrambling, because they found out they were wrong.Quote:
Now the most serious thing is that India has all kinds of rallies.
They don't ignore much of anything. They're elected officials. If they do things that antagonize a significant percentage of the population, they lose their jobs. Focusing on deaths to the exclusion of public opinion just won't work for them, even if it is a viable strategy during a pandemic.
India's doctor is rescued, I hope to have more oxygen, but they are seriously refused to help China. They learn from the US to ban China's application app. I have always used China as a false enemy, but they fell backwards than China 50 to 80 years.
South Korea and Japan learn from China's way, so it is controlled in a few months.
India, Britain, the United States, France, Spain these countries are very serious, the most important thing is not enough attention to the lives of the people like ants.
In China, we call them capitalist societies.Just like if they produce milk, if the price is too low, they would rather dump it to keep the price higher.
I had a simple understanding of a German's media video yesterday.The German population is scattered, but the state still attaches great importance to traffic, as far as possible to give them access to the high-speed rail, as well as unlimited speed highways.
It's like China wants to, ah, become richer, and the state, ah, gives us free cement roads, asphalt roads. It's been more than a decade.Universal broadband. In this way, the network information is developed, the speed of commodity circulation is fast, so the production of masks, masks, and the export of many small commodities are very rapid.Therefore, most of the situation in China can be achieved, their own production and internal sales, without the U.S. market, we have no impact.
In India, their railways are still at the level of the '60s and' 70s.China is now building a high-speed rail that is more advanced than the Indian railway by a factor of one thousand and one hundred, and a light rail.
In the slums of India. There are also some countries, such as Ethiopia and Ganguo, where the roads connecting the capital are all, ah, there is no decent road in the mud marshes.
When we started at the beginning of China, he only found ten to one hundred convenience, and then a few days ago. In this way, he also turned from one hundred thousand people, an increase of one thousand times of viral infection. However, the proportion of the infection in our nationwide is only one percent. The United States may have reached a thousand thousands.India's new infection rate may have reached 5,000 out of 10,000.It may end up infecting almost everyone in India.
Preventives, vaccines, and therapies are the 3 prongs of attack.
The most effective preventive is travel restriction. After that comes hand washing, masks, social distancing, etc. Therapies are mainly things you can do for those infected and can have a benefit for others by reducing transmission.
Some countries have done well through preventive measures, others... not so much. Part of this is cultural, in particular subcultures such as the "post high school adolescence" culture we have in the US. Part of it may stem from the limits placed on different political systems which forces more reliance on individual good sense (sadly, lacking).
But I still suspect that preventives are more of a "riding the storm out" strategy until the clouds break and vaccination can be deployed.
If everyone had done this the virus would probably run out of steam without vaccines due to a lack of "dry fuel" to feed on. But we didn't, so it hasn't. Has it worked in China or has China become a giant pile of dry tinder like India has? When the bough breaks the baby will fall?
Just like the Second World War of Japan aggression China, the ends of the end of the end, all the women made a shellflow at home, manufactured clothes or to the factory to produce aircraft ship. If the country cuts the lives as cabbage or trees, they are cold blood, just like a gambler, do not pay all the money, he will not go.
In fact, in more affluent countries, even infection with COVID-19 is not a big problem, because the disease can still be treated, but the cost is more expensive.
But for a poor country like India, that would be devastating. It is possible that the economy will go back ten to twenty years.
It's like driving a car and accidentally killing someone., a person will pay a little money to finish, just like, alas, carelessly lost Thousands of dollars.
But for poor families, they may not be able to pay that compensation in their lifetime.
Their children may not be able to go to school.
When the plague started to infection, the city of millions of people in China was only infected with Er. I have never seen a infected person. It's just that the voice of the people cough is more serious.
When the Chinese began the blockade, all the villages were manned, guarded and strictly forbidden to move among themselves, not even allowed to visit each other for Christmas.
There may be 30 intersections in a district of our town, all of which are locked to him, arranged for registration, and can only buy vegetables once in three days.
One day I thought that the countryside went to buy a dish, almost returned. In fact, those selling vegetables have long been not allowed to go out. The rural areas are also blocked, and the vegetable market is only supermarket, the price is more expensive.
Fair enough.Quote:
I'm going to try and be less fair in future.
Because there is no vaccine at the beginning, then this treatment cost is also very expensive, and people are also guilty. Infection is also very serious. If a company has only dozens of employees, one or two people infected, maybe the entire company's business can continue.
During the months that the city was locked down. The restaurant is almost out of business. The whole Chinese economy has been greatly affected in half a year, but fortunately all of us are alive. Although the income has been reduced, at least we have no other extra burdens.
In fact, the effect of the vaccine is less than half. Many others may have expired or have no effect at all. Some of them. The side effects are powerful.
Many countries think they have a vaccine, a respirator mask, and then they don't care, no matter what, every civilian who dies is the government's crime.
The most frightening thing is that the virus often mutates, just like the computer blackmailer virus. And bitcoins. What the ****? Lettercoins?These things have seriously bankrupted the real banks in many countries.In the future, if someone kidnaps your children, the children of rich people or the chairman of the board, they can pay through the dark web Bitcoin.Kidnappers, ah, receive time checks can not be done, and the regulatory state can not do anything.
There have been hundreds of TV series about zombies, and various Ebola viruses, etc., the problem is to actually fall in this disaster, and they simply do not have a TV. It is just entertainment.
In China, we have only a small number of two or three TV series about the story of the virus infection.
If the next virus spreads to the United States, and the United Kingdom, they will do the same.Because the cold-blooded attitude of capitalism doomed them not to pay attention to it.
There were several epidemics in Spain and France, which killed tens of millions of people.They're the same this time. The idea that the government does not care whether the people are dead or alive will never change.
Just like the United States will continue to do world inspection, instead it will publicize its hegemony in the world, provoke wars, and provide weapons to both sides of the war to achieve the goal of earning more dollars.
Bigger world catastrophes, such as the explosion of the US and Russian nuclear arsenals, have yet to occur.And the spread of the Ebola virus around the world. Rapidly killing between ten and fifty percent of the world's population.The whole world is exploiting oil and coal, which will eventually lead to tsunamis, earthquakes and other major disasters, and the earth's climate will become long-term drought or continuous heavy rain for several months.
Avirus with computer virus. He is like a newzigni pneumonia virus. Because many of the time you are not rescued. You are infected, just an ordinary person will pay tens of thousands of dollars. If the company data is encrypted, it may be necessary to pay a few million to a few billion。 A lot of Fortune 500 companies are being held for ransom.
Did we have a choice when the Second World War broke out? I just hope. The people of many countries around the world have become slaves and their property has been stolen.War, pestilence, computer viruses. There are also various adverse atmospheric environmental changes.The catastrophe of mankind has only just begun.
I saw bodies burning all over India. Like the global spread of the blackmailer virus, the entire map of the world looks like, AH, a body full of cancer.
China's *******, Taobao, Tmall Mall, should be like Amazon's well-known company. But they also monopolize. Jingdong Mall and Tmall Malls set an obstacle to each other. If you open a store in this company, you can't open the store on another network platform. Otherwise, you will have downside you on the surface or background.
Tesla has a problem with their brake system, which has caused a lot of deaths in China.But they refused to pay a penny, and a refund of one or three was even less likely.Because once they admit their mistakes, they will bear hundreds of times the losses.So he would rather be a robber and a hooligan to the end, and he would never say sorry.
Capital is evil, whether it is Microsoft, apple or Qualcomm, many times they use their monopoly position to entrap other countries and companies.
What kind of president, ah, alas, what kind of national army has finally become a war robot.
The death toll in India is about 200 thousand, while that in China is only about four thousand.
The number of infected people in India is 20 million, and only 100 thousand in China.
India is adding about 400,000 a day.
Anyway, this is already a new world war.I thought it would be over soon, but it's estimated that it will take another year and a half.It may not be until next summer that the new epidemic can be basically controlled.The whole world doesn't take it seriously, and it goes on like a computer blackmailer virus. I can never control it.
I've got to stop wasting my time trying to figure these post out. The only thing I get out of it is, China is great, every other country, is terrible and trying to do harm to China. Maybe not every country, haven't heard North Korea or Russia mentioned. Most of the statements don't even make sense. Hopefully it's the translators fault.
It's the Chinese Yodamarket or Moti, we have establish that a couple of pages ago :thumb:
In fact, the main sentence is that small countries are also terrible. It was just like a small infectious disease, but as a result, disasters occurred all over the world, killing millions of people.
It is like a small grounding of the Suez Canal, causing tens of billions of dollars of damage to the world.
India, the UK, the US, they are one of the superpowers for sure anyway.A country with a large population or the most wealth in the world. If we do not deal with these things, it will be a disaster for the world.
There are many fake commodities in China, and many software in China are pirated. Just like many pharmaceutical products in India are pirated. No country is clean.
But many of the cheap goods produced in China do bring great benefits to the whole world. In fact, now, er, workers in China are demanding higher and higher wages. Like Foxconn's production of Apple cell phones, they may also have to move to other countries such as India.
Italy, Germany, World War II. For the Chinese. Some injuries in other countries may not be well known.
But the actual situation is like this, Japan is a small country, and then I followed him.In the past, Japan's memory ah, there are a lot of chip industry is very developed, the United States a crackdown can let their whole family wiped out.
Replies are sort of hopeless anyway.
Run something like "Mary Had a Little Lamb" through Google Translate to Chinese and then back. It gets mangled and twisted and loses subtlety as well as picking up bizarre statements that don't exist in the original.
Machine translation can make attempts at conversation feel like trying to talk to a demented old homeless guy - on both sides.
That is a classic Greece humor we do with English.
Phrases like "You got weather for a coffee" aka, you want to go out?
or "What is going on?" aka, What's up?
or "My animals slow", aka Saying something irrelevant.
That's funny.Quote:
"My animals slow", aka Saying something irrelevant.
Or maybe it's actually how this person speaks all the time. That would be interesting.Quote:
I still think, like someone suggested, that is some kind of sentence generation software...not a real person.
Lol.
Well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grA5XmBRC6g
Also you say "this girl is drum", meaning very sexy. :p
or "I lay my skin, or lay my crust" "meaning i relax" .
When I was in UK years ago I was bombarded with phrases that eventually i forgot but the one I still remember is a youngster asking me if I got a flag. I was trying to find if there was any label sticking out of my jacket that resembled a flag. :D
OK, one more.
That, I'm constantly using at work.
"We drunk it" , meaning something went wrong and I say this at any software of hardware unexpected issue (and something is constantly wrong in IT dep :wave:) .
Although a Greek phrase, we don't translate it and say that straight up in English.
Actually the Greek phrase would be "We drunk him" but we use the "We drunk it" as it sounds more on the English side.
Translation software is always inaccurate. It's like a Chinese leader saying that we want to isolate and people can cure the new crown virus without spending money. The result is that income has been reduced for a few months.
As long as there is no death, this is already a great victory.
But in India, the United States and other countries, they can't understand what the Chinese do, just as translation software always misinterprets the original meaning.
There are always many people who think that I use machine software to speak automatically. If that is the case, I will definitely choose the correct English article instead of simply using translation software to express my views and comments.
Mr. Wu is the main person in charge of the producer of Zhongshan. The products are mainly exported to India and other East Asian countries. After the product is assembled in India, it will be sold to Europe and the United States. The proportion of Indian export business accounts for more than 90%.
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"In fact, India has been affected by the epidemic this year." Mr. Wu said, "The Indian order has increased, and the year-on-year increase is about 50%, especially after the Spring Festival, the order amount has increased."
The amount of production capacity is increasing the amount of order is the biggest troubles of Mr. Wu.
Orders in March, according to our factory's manpower in March to produce and ship, the shipment time needs to be scheduled for September. ”
Damnit! I fell at the first hurdle.Quote:
Fair enough
I agree. The call was to "flatten the curve" not "starve the virus into extinction". Expecting social measures to wipe out the virus completely was unrealistic but none of the experts ever claimed that was what they were for. It didn't prevent plenty of talking heads from building straw men out of it though.Quote:
I still suspect that preventives are more of a "riding the storm out" strategy until the clouds break and vaccination can be deployed.
Could be but I still believe he's real. I don't much agree with the arguments he makes and they do tend to veer off at tangents but they do start out as relevant and cogent - just very hard to read due to the language problems.Quote:
that is some kind of sentence generation software...not a real person
I must admit, I'm often skipping over xiaoyao's posts, which is probably doing him a disservice, but they're just too much effort to interpret. When I do put the effort in, though, I frequently find an argument in there I can engage with.
I suppose in some kind of clinical sense...Quote:
That would be interesting.
I like that Indian response: We flattened the curve. Unfortunately, we flattened it on the wrong axis.
From my experience Chinese people are very polite and heartwarming so I wouldn't want to insult him but maybe, some special need is taking place here?
That's perfectly fine , else , it's Yodamarket!
The main translation software has too many mistakes.
It's like the Chinese are trying to give oxygen to the Indians to make machines.But India says, we never want to buy from China.Unless China is willing to donate to him voluntarily, it needs tens of millions of dollars.
Even so, he won't think you are good.
Sometimes in the diplomacy between countries, no matter how hard you work, people just regard you as an enemy.
I agree. It's often kind of clear what you are saying, but that translation software is doing you no favors.
As to the last line, I both agree with that, and think it doesn't matter. The USSR and the US were enemies for....pretty much as long as there was a USSR, yet they worked together where it really mattered. Just because you don't agree with someone doesn't mean you can't get along.
Greece is a land rich in history, art and culture, so much so that it is called the cradle of Western civilization.
I have had the pleasure of going on vacation 4 times in the Cyclades. (each time on a different island - paradises on earth)
I fell in love with it, the environment, the climate, the landscapes, the seasides and beaches and the innate welcoming attitude of the population.
I didn't go there last year, 'cause of covid. and I guess I won't even go there this year. ... and it saddens me.
The same in Italy!Quote:
Almost everyone of you are going one side, and that is fine, I'm going the other way. And what probably motivates me more and more are the TV stations controlled by the government bombarding us with just one side of the coin.
I don't know how it is in other countries, but I think it's more or less the same.
We should investigate who the news channels are funded by.
We must also bear in mind that there is ruthless censorship on major social media.
In Italy YouTube has "definitively" canceled Claudio Messora's ByoBlu channel, to which half a million users were subscribed and which in 14 years of activity had published about two thousand videos online, which included "interviews with scientists, researchers, political scientists, journalists"
In the field of information, the giants have absolute power. This is a serious problem to think about.
There is no debate, no different voice, the mainstream narrative is global and unique.
This we must know.
The debate, when there is, is fake, and it only serves to give the idea that space is given to different voices, but in reality they are all on the same side.
On Italian TVs they sometimes invite people who have different opinions from the mainstream and then lynch them, attacking them and not giving the possibility of replying. (almost always they simply take away the audio)
Perhaps I have already said it, but it is precisely for these reasons that when I listen to the voice of the mainstream I think:
- Why do they say this?
- What do they want to achieve?
- Why are they talking about this information and not others?
- How they give me the information (for example numbers .... "New cases" -> Meaningless word: It doesn't mean anything, it doesn't mean sick!)
- Talking about certain topics in certain ways what emotions they want to get to the population.
For exercise, try it yourself.
Here, so, it comes naturally to me to think that the truth is the opposite of what they say.
As far as the passport is concerned, I would like to know if anyone has any scientific sources about its usefulness.
I think it's just a small piece of one of the Overton's windows.
"In 1998, Noam Chomsky said:
The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum—even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate"
If you look back to this map that Dilettante posted:
https://data.democratandchronicle.co...ccine-tracker/
I got looking at the spread between those who have gotten one dose and those that have gotten two. There are no states with a very large number of vaccinations. The leading states are a bit over 50% for the first dose, but there's generally a pretty large spread between those with one and those with two. I have no idea how the J&J single dose vaccine figures into the graphic. Still, I got wondering about that spread. Generally, a large spread might indicate the increased pace of vaccinations, as a lot more people have been able to get it more recently, so a lot more will be between first and second dose. Then you look at Idaho and Wyoming, where the spread is pretty small, which means that most of the people who got the first dose have also gotten the second dose.
It seems to me that this indicates that the pace of vaccination is slowing badly in those two states. I didn't look at all the states, but those two were the only ones I saw with a spread of less than 10%. That doesn't seem like a good sign for the long term.
Why does everyone say the exact same words?
( I don't know the context )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoZOCL9DyCE
EDIT:
I found more Info:
https://ec.europa.eu/international-p...ging-effort_en
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/pres...l/en/ip_20_797
" On 24 April (2020), the WHO and an initial group of global health actors launched a landmark, global collaboration for the accelerated development, production and equitable global access to new COVID-19 essential health technologies. The group includes the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation (BMGF), the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations (CEPI), the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunisations (GAVI),the Global Fund, UNITAID, the Wellcome Trust and the World Bank.
The Commission is also inviting governments, business leaders, public figures philanthropists, artists and citizens to raise awareness about this global pledging effort. The funds collected will be channelled into three strands: diagnostics, treatments and vaccines. "
Because the are not actual leaders, they are pawns.
I'm surprised that this does not include the no1 pawn and idiot or Europe. Our prime minister.