lol.....shows you just how little the elites think of us if this is the best they have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacob Roman
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lol.....shows you just how little the elites think of us if this is the best they have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacob Roman
Those 'elites' how many times can you think of where they pushed somebody to demand that they change? How many times can you think of where they pushed to maintain the status quo? I can't think of any of the former, but plenty of the latter.
Seconds, how many times did the elites pay their supporters to support their cause? How many times did they just motivate them by suggesting that the other side was out to get them? I can think of a few of the former, and lots of the latter.
Based on those two, I'd say that you are more likely to be a tool of the elites than some teenage gadfly.
Most people are not ready to accept that our entire reality is crafted by a select few powerful families, governments and corporations. Everything we like, everything we hate, what we consider to be right and wrong are all in one way or another influenced by them through institutions and through the media. A lot of what most people hold to be true are in fact inventions of these ruling elites. Very few opinions in the wild are naturally occurring. They were manufactured and programmed into us from birth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
We are all tools of the elite whether we want to be or not. The only difference between us is that I see it and you don't and there is nothing wrong with that. Not everyone is meant to see it. It's just the way it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
Yeah, the 'puppetmaster' theory. That's pretty far down the rabbit hole.
Another difference is that I don't believe there is ANYBODY pulling the strings. Whether you believe it is some guy living on a cloud or some shadowy elites, it's all religion. You want to believe that SOMEBODY is in charge and that they have a purpose. It's not a very great distance from your elites to the Greek or Hindu pantheon. All you have to do is substitute supernatural beings for your elites.
It arises by chance. There is nobody in control. The elites that exist are just as surprised at creation as you are, and are trying to figure it out as well.
All we are good at is recognizing patterns. Look into the research around chess if you'd like to see more of that. If you use your intelligence to play chess, you'll be terrible. If you have played so much, and studied so much, that you can recognize patterns in the pieces, and use that ability to play chess...well, then you'll probably also be pretty bad, but some such people make up ALL the grand masters.
We are good at pattern recognition, and that's all we are good at. So, when we look at the world we assume that there must be a pattern. There must be a reason. With that assumption, we try to figure it out. It's what we are good at.
I was working on an AI that I abandoned, but which showed pretty well that there need not be a pattern. It showed that there could very well be a god, but that god could very easily not need to even know we existed for the world to look the way it does.
I suppose that another way to look at it is that there are too many elites. If nobody is in control, then everybody is in control. If the world we are living in emerges from the sum of our actions, then we are all the elites. None truly control the pattern, but with all influencing the pattern, then those who are aware they are influencing the pattern might be able to tug a bit harder to shape the pattern to their liking.
That doesn't make them elites, though. That would be like pulling on one thread in a tapestry of billions of threads. That pull might distort the pattern in locally recognizable ways, but overall, the sum of a billion threads pulling in a billion directions won't be predictable.
Furthermore, people can pull quite hard without doing so deliberately.
Even setting aside the character of the motives behind them, organizations like the WEF do actually exist. And they develop and implement plans for your life without asking your consent or even making much effort to inform you.
There are a lot of calm and thoughtful people of education and experience who have also lost any enthusiasm for your "puppet masters." Indeed, those "masters" and their gatherings and stated objectives are now spoken of sarcastically just in passing by such people.
This isn't a matter of belief. There is no argument over facts. These are not theories, but objective truths.
Do people tend to get a little hyperbolic when mentioning "them?" Sure, it's called gallows humor.
The existence of these groups is fact. What impact they have on the world is theory. Even they don't really know.
Every group that has ever formed, from your local PTA, your local churches, to the gathering in Davos, the US, the WEF, and everyone else, is attempting the exact same thing: To enhance their ability to tug on the threads by combining forces to amplify the tug they exert.
Do they work? Well, they certainly do SOMETHING. Is it what they want? Sometimes it must be. Other times, it is not. If your local church rallies people to ban some book, it sometimes gets the book banned. Sometimes it makes the book FAR more popular. Sometimes it does both. Were they right or wrong to rally people? That depends on perspective. If you don't agree with that church, then you probably think they were wrong. If you can get enough people together to disagree with the church, then you've amplified the tug that you provide counter to theirs.
All of this works at the local level, the national level, and the international level. It works to the same degree, too. That's why I don't like people talking about being 'controlled by the elites'. It's a tapestry of many strings, some you hold. If enough people act against your interests, and there aren't enough people acting for your interest, then yeah, you're going to lose out. Being passive just makes you a pawn. In most things, we're all fine with that. No person, no matter who they are, has the capacity to be able to know what they want in all decisions that impact their lives. You simply can't be fighting every fight to your best advantage. Heck, you won't even know about all of them until after they are long past.
The problem is that if five people pull hard on one issue, and you are busy on something else because there aren't enough hours in the day to pay attention to everything, then you might be impacted by that pull against your wishes. That happens. You want everything to go your way, but it doesn't. You want everybody to agree with your point of view, but they don't. They aren't passive, though. They also want things to go their way, and they have their own point of view. If they are willing to exert the effort to push that forwards, and you aren't willing to exert the effort to push back, or are unable to, then you get what you get.
One thing about being unable to: People think, "those folks are too powerful". That's what makes them the 'elites'. That's fundamentally untrue. Sure, at this time, in this place, they happen to have a greater purchase on some particular thread than you do. If your view was shared by enough people, then they wouldn't get anywhere. The problem isn't that their too strong, or that you're too weak, it's that most people don't agree with you. They either feel differently on the topic, or are indifferent.
The whole point of propaganda by some group is to hold power by pushing the population into either feeling different or indifference. If everyone is fat and happy, they aren't going to get riled up over much of anything, so those with objections are howling in the wilderness. If they have all been told that there's a guy on a cloud who will punish them for eternity if they don't aggressively push their views on you, then they aren't going to agree with you when you say you don't want their views aggressively pushed on you.
You have agency, you simply lack the capacity to use that agency in all the areas that you care about. That's true of everybody else, as well. There are no elites, there are just localized, temporary, consensus.
And that was WAYYYYY too long a post.
There's nary an animal alive that can outrun a greased Scotsman.
Man, the Philadelphia Eagles killed the New York Giants.
That game was never close.
The Bengals' win over the Bills wasn't really close either, but at least it still had some action.
It's also hard to catch a greased pig.Quote:
Originally Posted by homer13j
So what happens when a greased Scotsman tries to catch a greased pig?
I felt that this was the most disappointing game of the weekend. The Giants never had all that much talent. They just performed really well at times, and that could win games. The Eagles are very talented all over the field, and they played like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by dday9
On the other hand, both the Bills and Bengals were really talented. That should have been a closer game. Instead it pretty much sucked. I really didn't care who won it, as I feel about the same about both of those teams, but I was expecting a thrilling game. It did not meet my expectations.
I'd like to see Purdy win the super bowl. I'm not optimistic that he will.
All I know is that I'm glad the Cowboys beat the Buccaneers and the 49er's beat the Cowboys. Now I could careless about who wins the NFC, but ultimately I'm cheering for the Bengals.
It's Joey B. and Ja'marr Chase... come on!
I'm glad that the 49er's beat the Cowboys. I'd have been shocked if the Cowboys hadn't beaten the Bucs...or if the Bucs had beaten ANYBODY they faced in the playoffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by dday9
I'm kind of rooting for KC over the Bengals just because KC has to be considered the underdog in that particular series. As for the SB...I'd be happy with any of the four teams, currently, so I'm just hoping for a good game with a lot of scoring.
I don't think KC is an underdog. If they were playing in Cinci they might be but not at home. I'm very curious what kind of shape Mahomes is going to be in. Yes, he finished the game but I've had a sprain like that and I walked around for hours afterwards. But the next morning the swelling and inflammation had set in. Yikes!!!!
I don't know what to think about the Cowboys. One week they look invincible and the next they look inept. Dak threw two more interception, should have been three. He looked bad, or was it the 49'ers defense that made it look that way. I'm not sure. The Raiders scored 30+ on the 9'ers.
I'm looking forward to both games. I don't watch a lot of Philly games so I'm not sure about them. They seem to be the real deal. I live about 85 miles from the 9'er so they get lots of coverage around here. My ideal out come would be a Philly/Cinci Super Bowl.
Oh man, the Eagles look unstoppable this year. It reminds me of the Colts with Manning under center.
What? No report on curling? Or doesn't Vandal Doofbook accept bets on that yet?
Hurry hard!