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PlausiblyDamp
I think the two problems we have though are
1. A lot of people are happy to believe a lie that they agree with than an uncomfortable truth, promise people what they want and they will like you; if you fail to deliver then lie about the cause of the failure. Just look at how Brexit was handled in our country - nearly everything about it was a lie (from the number of immigrants, the money saved for our NHS, the promises of no extra bureaucracy, the idea that the EU needs us more than we need them, something something sovereign country something mumble blue passports mutter mutter etc.)
2. Hate and victimisation of minorities support my first point.
The (delete as applicable - economy / health service / crime statistics / benefit fraud / cost of living) isn't doing badly because of (delete as applicable - poor management / government corruption / tax avoidance by rich people and corporations / increased numbers of people and children living in poverty / lack of training and education opportunities) it is because of (delete as applicable - Transexuals / immigrants - or at least the non-white ones / refugees / benefit cheats / homosexuals / tolerance to minorities / vaccines / neurodiversity). It is easier to point peoples attention and blame to "others" rather then the real issues. Politics of division benefits the people in charge at the expense of everyone.
At the risk of waving a target about... This is one of the major ways the Nazi party strengthened their power in 1940s Germany; prior to 1933 Germany had a very progressive LGBTQ scene (obviously that label wasn't applied then but it still applies) and the word homosexual was first used in Germany around this time.
The Nazi party started targeting this community using often unsubstantiated arguments such as "criminal activity", "asocial behaviour", or the typical conflation of homosexuality and child abuse and used it to justify draconian measures against homosexuals. Major Nazi party members, such as Himmler, describes them in terms of conspiracy against the state, enemies of the state, and even shirking their duty to repopulate. Far easier to attack "other" people than face the problems in society
Similarly the Nazi prosecution of Jewish people was a way of blaming a particular group of "other" people - often using untrue claims that it was their fault Germany lost WW1 as a justification. Far easier to blame somebody else, that face the truth about losing....
Hate makes it easier to do extreme things; you want to deport people without due process to a concentration camp - then you just need to use terms like "illegal immigrant", "criminal gang member", or "photo shopped evidence of tattoos" and bingo! You can do it! You want to be able to only employ straight, white, cis-gendered people to positions of power (even if they are unqualified) then you just need to cast suspicion that anyone "non-white" or "non-heterosexual" has been hired purely to make up numbers (even if they are obviously capable and qualified) and bingo! You can fire them and replace them with unqualified people!
Get enough people onboard with hate and people will actually start claiming they don't mind if someone is a dictator, or corrupt, or a racist, or a liar, or a sex offender, or an adulterer - because at least they are doing something about those "others" we don't like.
People prefer a comfortable lie, to an uncomfortable truth.
Sadly...there is a lot of truth in that post :(
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wes4dbt
I don't see any reason why those changes can't be less lying and hate.
Come on, that doesn't leave you anything left to say. The anti-Trump screeds above positively drip with hatred, lies, and bad will.
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dilettante
Come on, that doesn't leave you anything left to say. The anti-Trump screeds above positively drip with hatred, lies, and bad will.
Which of my above posts "positively drip with hatred" towards Trump? Dislike, definitely. I think he is a morally bankrupt, self absorbed con man. But that's an opinion, not hatred. Unless you consider any negative opinion of Trump as hatred, I can only guess you just felt compelled to spout insults.
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Niya
It seems I need to clarify exactly what I mean by win. Victory in the context of my previous post would be the ability to completely exhaust any fighting capability of your opponent. People actually believe Ukraine can do that to Russia without the aid of other nations.
A small country like Ukraine can't outlast a large country like Russia, but they don't have to. They have to outlast the will of Russia to keep pushing forwards despite the costs. I wouldn't say for certain how that will end up. Too many different factors weigh into the calculation.
As to whether they can do it without help, I would say that the answer was absolutely not two years ago, probably not today, but perhaps they can in another year. The point people need to keep in mind with that war is that it is changing the face of warfare at such an astonishing pace that predicting the future is harder than normal. Technology has often leapt forwards during wartime, but I can't think of any leaping as bouncy as what is happening in that war. Smaller, lighter, and far more lethal, autonomous fighting vehicles (I use the term loosely to include air, ground and sea) are coming out at such a frenetic pace that what was cutting edge a month or two back may not be working today. Ukraine is also ramping up the home-grown industry along those lines to such an extent that other countries ought to be buying from them. Not only do they have some superior kit, but buying from them would fund their warfighting. If that were to happen, then...it's not so clear that they couldn't support themselves. It's way too fluid a situation to be certain about.
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wes4dbt
Which of my above posts "positively drip with hatred" towards Trump? Dislike, definitely. I think he is a morally bankrupt, self absorbed con man. But that's an opinion, not hatred. Unless you consider any negative opinion of Trump as hatred, I can only guess you just felt compelled to spout insults.
Don't think he meant you, he meant the other long post that I just scanned for 10 seconds and saw NAZI, LGBTQ ,Jewish so I did not even bother.
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A small country like Ukraine can't outlast a large country like Russia, but they don't have to. They have to outlast the will of Russia to keep pushing forwards despite the costs. I wouldn't say for certain how that will end up. Too many different factors weigh into the calculation.
As to whether they can do it without help, I would say that the answer was absolutely not two years ago, probably not today, but perhaps they can in another year. The point people need to keep in mind with that war is that it is changing the face of warfare at such an astonishing pace that predicting the future is harder than normal. Technology has often leapt forwards during wartime, but I can't think of any leaping as bouncy as what is happening in that war. Smaller, lighter, and far more lethal, autonomous fighting vehicles (I use the term loosely to include air, ground and sea) are coming out at such a frenetic pace that what was cutting edge a month or two back may not be working today. Ukraine is also ramping up the home-grown industry along those lines to such an extent that other countries ought to be buying from them. Not only do they have some superior kit, but buying from them would fund their warfighting. If that were to happen, then...it's not so clear that they couldn't support themselves. It's way too fluid a situation to be certain about.
So Ukraine that had all the US and NATO help before and he just kept losing grounds can now somehow do it at it's own? That does not make sense.
Also if you see Russia map of conquered you will know what they are doing and also remember that a full scale attack will kill millions of innocent so they don't go that about as they are the same race as Ukraine, or believe your media than from what I read lately they don't brag no more for Russia somehow losing.
Anyhow will see today. Trump is calling Putin. On a side note both US and Russia want Ukraine natural resources, so I'm curious to see what will happen.
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sapator
So Ukraine that had all the US and NATO help before and he just kept losing grounds can now somehow do it at it's own? That does not make sense.
Only if you pay little attention. Neither side is using anything like the same tactics or technology that they were using at the start of the war. They are advancing the state of the technology so fast that it's hard to say where it will end up, but certainly not where it started.
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Also if you see Russia map of conquered you will know what they are doing and also remember that a full scale attack will kill millions of innocent so they don't go that about as they are the same race as Ukraine, or believe your media than from what I read lately they don't brag no more for Russia somehow losing.
You're going to have to restate that if you want me to understand it.
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On a side note both US and Russia want Ukraine natural resources, so I'm curious to see what will happen.
Nothing. Those natural resources are only theoretically valuable. You may remember the stories about how many billions of dollars the minerals in Afghanistan were worth. That would have been true, if the minerals could have been magically teleported out of the ground and to some place that could use them. Once you factored in the cost of extraction, including all the infrastructure that would be required, the minerals weren't worth the money. The same is true for Ukraine, though for different reasons. They don't lack the infrastructure the way Afghanistan does, but the minerals are not as theoretically valuable, either. They are more like several mineral deposits in the US: The minerals are there, but not in sufficient quantity or quality to justify the cost of extraction.
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Shaggy I love you, you're a buddy your a pal but that is all wrong.
Since I said I will not write what we wrote in the known thread no2 I will go with dil example and dedicate this to all the people that really think that a deal is not struck behind the doors for Ukraine and both Ru and US are not getting what they want. With Europe still having it's pant....Oh sorry the invisible censorer. Having it's pants on the hovercraft of a lemurious goblin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89dGC8de0CA&ab_channel=AerosmithVEVO
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Technology has often leapt forwards during wartime, but I can't think of any leaping as bouncy as what is happening in that war. Smaller, lighter, and far more lethal, autonomous fighting vehicles (I use the term loosely to include air, ground and sea) are coming out at such a frenetic pace that what was cutting edge a month or two back may not be working today.
That's a hard comparison. WWII had the evolution of the airplane both fighter and bombers, changing from a battleship dominated navy to an aircraft carrier dominated navy, radar, the atomic bomb, rocket technology.
All wars suck but they do drive innovation.
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WWII saw all that, but planes were evolving fast leading up to the war. The change in warships was also already happening. Just look at the fleet exercises conducted prior to WWII. That was driving the evolution of the aircraft carrier, which can be seen in the fact that the Essex class carriers were already on the way by the time of Pearl Harbor. Radar wasn't new, either, though the effectiveness of use on ships was not well known. Rockets...well, they're mentioned in the US national anthem. They sucked, they had horrible accuracy, but they were rockets. That technology certainly improved, but it wasn't new. Nuclear weapons were certainly new, and I think jet aircraft were new. There were also some great advances in medicine.
Still, the tech being used in Ukraine is advancing faster than all that. They've practically returned to WW I trench warfare because drones have made the whole battlefield transparent. That led to a rapid paced race in jamming technology, and now we're seeing fly-by-wire fiber optic drones showing up. They're reportedly about 20% of Ukrainian drones, but are expected to be 70% of front line drones within a few months.
One interesting point about evolution is that it can turn back on itself, at times. If something works, then a countermeasure is developed, that something may go away, which may cause the countermeasure to go away (assuming it is costly), which might mean that the something comes back again. This is as true in biology as in any other kind of warfare.
I wonder if, once both Russia and Ukraine are making extensive use of fiber optic drones, will the front lines begin to resemble a giant spider web?
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I think your selling WWII short. I was wasn't talking about only new inventions(drones certainly aren't new), though there were some. The navy was building a new class of carrier but their mindset was still very much the battleship was the king of the sea and the aircraft carrier was there to protect and support them. I believe it was the battle of the Coral Seas that changed their attitude. The upgrade from their main fighter, the Wild Cat to the HellCat was huge. It had a 19:1 kill ratio. Don't believe the US had any fighter jets in WWII but Germany did. They came to late and not enough numbers of them. The evolution from the B17 to the pressurized B29 is also very significant. True, radar wasn't new but the increase in it's capabilities was also very large. The V2 rocket wasn't a small leap either.
The drone technology in the Ukraine war may be evolving faster but that's just one advancement. Just one measuring method.
Anyway, I do find the battlefield situation strange. Seems to have turned into a defensive war and not an offensive war.
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Yeah, that may be the case. War always pushes technology forwards. I suppose that's one good thing about it.
In this case, the battlefield has become transparent in ways that have never existed before. The modern version of the WW I tank technology is starting to show up. That will be drone mini-tanks. Aerial drones will keep people in bunkers, drone mini-tanks will attack the bunkers. Or maybe technology will go in a different direction.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth-generation_warfare
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Fifth-generation warfare (5GW) is warfare that is conducted primarily through non-kinetic military action, such as social engineering, misinformation, cyberattacks, along with emerging technologies such as artificial intelligence and fully autonomous systems. Fifth generation warfare has been described by Daniel Abbot as a war of "information and perception."
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Combine everything and we got Skynet! Finally! Death by Microsoft! Go raptors!
Edit: I saw a kid use Teams once. He has crying on the sidewalk having an injured knee screaming No More Teeeams!
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dilettante
I've never agreed with that characterisation. Informational manipulation has been part of the warfare space since Genghis Khan put up a white tent. And Nation States have always tried to undermine each others societies, even during peace. I don't see it as representing a new generation of warfare. The tools are changing, certainly, but they've always changed with the times and this is true of conventional warfare tools too.
You can characterise it as a parallel to warfare (just as politics is) or an integral part of warfare but I don't see it as a generation of warfare.
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I think your selling WWII short.
Yeah, I agree. WW2 massively pushed weapons and tactics forward. So did WW1, the American Civil War, the French Revolution and so forth. I don't think it undermines Shaggy's position, though, which I think was that the Ukraine conflict has jumped tech forward rather than that previous conflicts didn't.
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Don't think he meant you,
Um, he did respond to Wes's post and quoted it so it feels like a fair assumption.
Personally I think Ukraine probably would struggle if abandoned by it's allies. Man for man it probably has the most capable army in the world right now and is enjoying a generational technological advantage but it's production capacity probably couldn't keep up with Russia's.
I honestly don't know why this is part of the conversation, though, because, with the possible exception of the USA, it's allies do not look like abandoning it, quite the opposite. USA has been a major contributor but Europe's contribution has been considerably higher. A US departure would be a blow, certainly, but hardly a terminal one. And it's far from certain that the USA is going to abandon it. There are certainly some voices around Trump that seem to want to, though they shift back and forward a lot, but that decision doesn't actually belong to Trump, it belongs to Congress which seems to be overwhelmingly supportive of Ukraine.
Discussion about whether Ukraine could stand without allies are fatuous because Ukraine has allies. My cup of tea would be horrible with milk and sugar in it but that doesn't matter because my cup of tea has milk and sugar in it. It's a brown cup of comfort.
And why are we talking about Ukraine allies without addressing Russia allies. Ukraine has received materials from it's allies, Russia has been reduced to begging for men. It is clear that Russia has become ALOT more dependent on it's allies than Ukraine has.
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I don't think there really is a ground for conversation for people that believe that the war is conducted:
For the king for the land for the mountains For the green valleys where dragons fly For the glory the power to win the black lord I will search for the emerald sword.
(that is a general comment not addressed directly to Funky, just happened to have the post above)
So as soon as Russia get the critical ground he wants to, the war will be over with a treaty that will maintain the status quo, that is my prediction, it might don't go that way but it's certainly better than what written so far. OMHO of course.
Edit: Teams is so bad that MS decided to put bug in it to eat the bugs it has and maybe be better. F Microsoft. F of course means Futile and nothing more.
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Holy SH*T! Europe BRACES for a wave of violence as Ukrainian weapons flow across the EU
https://youtu.be/jVEriolok2s?si=fsZDNxBUo_rODjXM
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Shaggy Hiker
A small country like Ukraine can't outlast a large country like Russia, but they don't have to. They have to outlast the will of Russia to keep pushing forwards despite the costs. I wouldn't say for certain how that will end up. Too many different factors weigh into the calculation.
As to whether they can do it without help, I would say that the answer was absolutely not two years ago, probably not today, but perhaps they can in another year. The point people need to keep in mind with that war is that it is changing the face of warfare at such an astonishing pace that predicting the future is harder than normal. Technology has often leapt forwards during wartime, but I can't think of any leaping as bouncy as what is happening in that war. Smaller, lighter, and far more lethal, autonomous fighting vehicles (I use the term loosely to include air, ground and sea) are coming out at such a frenetic pace that what was cutting edge a month or two back may not be working today. Ukraine is also ramping up the home-grown industry along those lines to such an extent that other countries ought to be buying from them. Not only do they have some superior kit, but buying from them would fund their warfighting. If that were to happen, then...it's not so clear that they couldn't support themselves. It's way too fluid a situation to be certain about.
I think perhaps I'm still not making myself clear enough. Russia's goal isn't the complete destruction of Ukraine and it's people. If it were, they could have done that in a month or perhaps less, using conventional weapons. They could have done it in an instant using nukes. Ukraine couldn't do a thing a stop it. The fact is Russia can decide at anytime that they are tired of this and just go all in and they would win decisively.
The point I'm trying to drive home is that in terms of sheer military might, Russia is a bulldozer and Ukraine is a bicycle, yet people insist on pretending that it's close to an even match.
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Niya
I think perhaps I'm still not making myself clear enough. Russia's goal isn't the complete destruction of Ukraine and it's people. If it were, they could have done that in a month or perhaps less, using conventional weapons. They could have done it in an instant using nukes. Ukraine couldn't do a thing a stop it. The fact is Russia can decide at anytime that they are tired of this and just go all in and they would win decisively.
The point I'm trying to drive home is that in terms of sheer military might, Russia is a bulldozer and Ukraine is a bicycle, yet people insist on pretending that it's close to an even match.
Yeah, I get it, I just think it's laughably wrong. I do agree that if Russia used nukes, that would make short work of all kinds of things. Everybody has stopped short of that since Nagasaki because it would mean going off into a future nobody can quite predict. However, when it comes to conventional weapons, they aren't a bulldozer, they've shown themselves to be a paper tiger. They're producing a whole lot of armor each month, but it's not new armor, it's refurbished Soviet armor...which gets smoked in short order if it ever gets in range of the drone swarms both sides are operating around the front lines. They produce almost no new armor, and it is also getting smoked. They're producing vast amounts of ammunition each month, and using it to little effect.
Back when they first attacked, lots of people thought the way you did, and predicted a swift Russian victory because of their overwhelming might. Then they attacked and promptly lost so much armor that Ukrainian farmers had, at one point, one of the largest concentrations of armor in Europe. Currently, while estimates vary, Russia has lost an estimated three quarters of a million troops. Yes, they are trying to increase the size of their military to twice that, but unless you are advocating they use human wave attacks, it won't make that much difference.
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Yeah, I agree. WW2 massively pushed weapons and tactics forward. So did WW1, the American Civil War, the French Revolution and so forth. I don't think it undermines Shaggy's position, though, which I think was that the Ukraine conflict has jumped tech forward rather than that previous conflicts didn't
I wasn't trying to say SH position was wrong. My comment was, it's a hard comparison. WWII certainly "jumped tech forward" in multiple fields. Radar, Rocketry and the bomb. It sort of depends on how you want to measure the advancements. By speed, volume.
Now I'm probably going to dig myself a deeper hole. lol
How has the Ukraine war "jumped tech forward" by any large amount? It seems to me the technology their using isn't new. It seems they have expanded the uses to that technology and added functionality. They have found more and more ways to use that technology. What technology is revolutionary about their drones?
SH seems to know far more than me about the current situation, maybe I just haven't heard or read about it.
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It may be that they are revolutionary because they are NOT revolutionary. They are using cheap drones repurposed in amazing ways. For one thing, the battlefield is becoming transparent in that you basically can't move anywhere near the front lines without being spotted. There's nothing revolutionary about any of that tech. Different sensors, different types of cameras, and so forth. What has been a real technological battlefield has been signal transmission. First it was radio transmissions, then those got jammed, so you went to multi-spectrum transmissions, then the jamming was able to chase the signal, and so forth. At one point, I read that the most cutting edge US transmission and jamming systems were being rejected by Ukraine since they were too hopelessly obsolete to be of any value. That's also what has driven the move into fiber optics, and something far more scary.
For a long time, fully autonomous killer drones were a line that people only speculated on, but largely rejected. Everybody in an armchair was stating that there always had to be a human in the loop making the final kill decision. Jamming meant that the human might not be able to communicate with the drone, and the tech to allow a sufficient image recognition wasn't out of reach. I don't know how far it has progressed, but I got the impression they (both sides, most likely) were already deploying drones that had to be controlled into an area, but could then go on and attack without input.
This may not last very long, anyways, as I've read a couple articles talking about tech that is being pursued (though which does not yet exist) to fry the electronics of a drone using some kind of beam weapon. The idea would be a laser, though which frequency I have no idea. Of course, there would then be shielding developed against that, and the race would go on.
The drones are simple and known. The explosives are pretty well known. It's how communication with the drone is performed, and how much is needed, that seems to be the area of greatest evolution, at the moment. Anti-drone countermeasures and anti-anti-drone countermeasures look to be the next area.
Still, instead of multi-million dollar, high-tech, weapon systems that require a huge industrial base and great amounts of time to produce, we're seeing cheaper systems becoming increasingly lethal. It's one thing to have to worry about a 100 million dollar helicopter. Yeah, it's dangerous, but there won't be very many of them, so killing one may make you safe. It's a different matter to be dealing with dozens of tiny, fast, bomb-carrying drones waiting overhead. Killing one solves nothing, as they are so cheap that a new one will be along shortly, and all the rest are still there.
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Yeah, I get it, I just think it's laughably wrong. I do agree that if Russia used nukes, that would make short work of all kinds of things. Everybody has stopped short of that since Nagasaki because it would mean going off into a future nobody can quite predict. However, when it comes to conventional weapons, they aren't a bulldozer, they've shown themselves to be a paper tiger. They're producing a whole lot of armor each month, but it's not new armor, it's refurbished Soviet armor...which gets smoked in short order if it ever gets in range of the drone swarms both sides are operating around the front lines. They produce almost no new armor, and it is also getting smoked. They're producing vast amounts of ammunition each month, and using it to little effect.
Back when they first attacked, lots of people thought the way you did, and predicted a swift Russian victory because of their overwhelming might. Then they attacked and promptly lost so much armor that Ukrainian farmers had, at one point, one of the largest concentrations of armor in Europe. Currently, while estimates vary, Russia has lost an estimated three quarters of a million troops. Yes, they are trying to increase the size of their military to twice that, but unless you are advocating they use human wave attacks, it won't make that much difference.
OH good the indisputable numbers make this easier to step aside from the conversation. Thanks for that.
Edit. Father Teams Mother Teams and Kid Teams walk on the road, kid Teams is slowing down so the father turns and yell at him, F Microsoft! And of course by F we mean Fester. (Fester Teams Microsoft, the kids name) .
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Edit. Father Teams Mother Teams and Kid Teams walk on the road, kid Teams is slowing down so the father turns and yell at him, F Microsoft! And of course by F we mean Fester. (Fester Teams Microsoft, the kids name) .
That, right there, has to be the most convoluted, obfuscated, complaint I have ever seen. Howling in rage at Microsoft is one thing, coming up with that....well, that's a different thing.
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And they will keep coming until someone admits that he deleted my Teams complain post last week.
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And they will keep coming until someone admits that he deleted my Teams complain post last week.
I hope so. Watching a grownup throwing a tantrum is very entertaining.
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I hope so. Watching a grownup throwing a tantrum is very entertaining.
Watching Sapator throwing a tantrum is both entertaining AND educational.
However, I wasn't deleting anything last week, as I was off in Yellowstone...though I think there were some Microsoft bots sniffing around...
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Who's is a grownup?... Ah, OK.. Actually now I'm going in a battle with VS2022 bs. Every now and then exceptions. I'm going Moti on it's afrs!!
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Russia's goal isn't the complete destruction of Ukraine and it's people
It's the complete subjugation of Ukraine. Putin has been very clear about this on multiple occasions. He doesn't think Ukraine is a valid separate country.
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they could have done that in a month or perhaps less, using conventional weapons.
They tried. They failed.
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The fact is Russia can decide at anytime that they are tired of this and just go all in and they would win decisively.
The factual evidence says you're wrong.
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I wasn't trying to say SH position was wrong.
Just to be clear, I didn't think you were. Though my post may have come across that way.
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And they will keep coming until someone admits that he deleted my Teams complain post last week.
I'm not sure which post you're talking about but I'm guessing that it was the one that started "I really got to share this. It was marvelous!" in the Skype/Teams thread. Looking at it's history it appears that you wrote it, then edited it, then deleted it leaving a reason about lickboots.
Are you sure you didn't delete it yourself by accident when trying to edit it? If not then something strange is happening and you should probably post in Forum Feedback.
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The deletion was intentional yesterday as someone undeleted the post after I complained.
Anyhow if it was a glitch it was a glitch , let's move on.
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In general a persons beliefs don't matter much to me. But when people responsible for educating children inject conspiracy theories into the curriculum that annoys me.
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news...090608911.html
I had seen this story a while back, for some reason it resurfaced today.
Seems such an injustice to the children.
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wes4dbt
In general a persons beliefs don't matter much to me. But when people responsible for educating children inject conspiracy theories into the curriculum that annoys me.
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news...090608911.html
I had seen this story a while back, for some reason it resurfaced today.
Seems such an injustice to the children.
Wow. Of all the utterly insane things they tried to push in American schools and universities in the last 4+ years, this is the one that finally gets you. :confused:
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Of all the utterly insane things they tried to push in American schools and universities in the last 4+ years,
Like what??
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Like what??
Nah. I'm not looking to start another argument. If you know, you know, if not, that's fine too.
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Nah. I'm not looking to start another argument. If you know, you know, if not, that's fine too.
Well, I hope your able to get over the shock and confusion my post caused you. ;)
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Well, I hope your able to get over the shock and confusion my post caused you. ;)
I've booked a session with a therapist about it. ;)
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Huh. No mention of the Biden Cover-Up Scandal? He was a waxen dummy the entire 4 years.
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You mean this ?
"What are we doing here?’: Democrats were shocked at Biden’s decline but stayed quiet, according to new book"
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/20/p...iginal-sin-age
I was writing he was a pawn , everyone could see except US and close leech countries.
Doesn't' really matter now tho. It's over he is dying so I wouldn't go bash on him. Just another pawn to the grinder.
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Huh. No mention of the Biden Cover-Up Scandal? He was a waxen dummy the entire 4 years.
Where is your moronic video proving your point :rolleyes:
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He certainly declined. He was also far more effective at getting legislation through a divided congress than any president in a long time.
Now we have Dementia Don and his Clowns.
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It's a terrible disease. Considering its advanced state it isn't possible that it just came out of the blue as complicit press would have us believe. Add the obvious mental fog and other behavioral issues and the entire term of office smacks of elder abuse.
It calls every action taken during that term into question. Fours years under the reign of a Deep State armed with autopen forgeries.
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Considering its advanced state it isn't possible that it just came out of the blue as complicit press would have us believe.
The purpose of the corporate media is to invent reality. It is entirely possible that this poor man was ill before his term started but the media needed a superhero to defeat the villainous Donald Trump and at the time he was the best one to fit that role at the time, and they didn't give a damn about his health. The only reason they tried to force-feed the American electorate Kamala Harris was that the reality warping powers of the media, great as they are, could not pacify the truth indefinitely. The truth started to bleed into their fiction and Kamala Harris was the answer they came up with in their desperation.
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Although media are just pawns , they are instructed by the deep state ( I suppose a video here is expected to prove it.. Here 8--> )
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TysonLPrice
Where is your moronic video proving your point :rolleyes:
Doesn't take much. There are hundreds and the facts aren't in dispute.
https://youtu.be/IATpC7YZ_nk?si=B4mBBA11LOCJpLN-
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Nice paranoia party going on today. You got your usual villains, the Deep State and Corporate Media. Good to see Dil being creative and adding Autopen.
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The door swings both ways.
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wes4dbt
Nice paranoia party going on today. You got your usual villains, the Deep State and Corporate Media. Good to see Dil being creative and adding Autopen.
Such irony, saying this in a thread where 95% of its content are inventive narratives about how Trump is going to destroy the universe. :)
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The door swings both ways.
Yep. :thumb:
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Such irony, saying this in a thread where 95% of its content are inventive narratives about how Trump is going to destroy the universe.
Not sure which category to put this. Extreme exaggeration, hyperbole or delusion??? Certainly not in the truth category.
It's a holiday so I'll just consider it a joke. Thanks for the humor.
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Originally Posted by
wes4dbt
Nice paranoia party going on today. You got your usual villains, the Deep State and Corporate Media. Good to see Dil being creative and adding Autopen.
Not sure which category to put this. Extreme exaggeration, hyperbole or delusion??? Certainly not in the truth category.
It's a holiday so I'll just consider it a joke. Thanks for the humor.
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wes4dbt
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Such irony, saying this in a thread where 95% of its content are inventive narratives about how Trump is going to destroy the universe.
Not sure which category to put this. Extreme exaggeration, hyperbole or delusion??? Certainly not in the truth category.
It's a holiday so I'll just consider it a joke. Thanks for the humor.
That's easy, Truth.
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Niya
That's easy, Truth.
Really??? You really think 95% of the posts in this thread are about how Trump is going to destroy the world.
That's so far from reality but I don't doubt you believe that.
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wes4dbt
Really??? You really think 95% of the posts in this thread are about how Trump is going to destroy the world.
See, now you're just making stuff up. :eek: I said no such thing. You sure you don't work for CNN? :D
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Niya
See, now you're just making stuff up. :eek: I said no such thing. You sure you don't work for CNN? :D
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Such irony, saying this in a thread where 95% of its content are inventive narratives about how Trump is going to destroy the universe.
Your words. Are they true???
This should be an interesting song and dance.
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Why isn't the media talking about how deranged Trump is? He's almost the same age, he's taking tests that you only take if you are showing signs of mental deterioration, and his interviews tend to go into insanity. I can understand why Fox is covering for him, but nobody else seems to be pointing out his erratic statements. It may just be that he's been erratic for so long that everybody expects it, but his inability to even come up with BS answers to softball questions suggests he's barely sticking to his own fantasy.
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It may just be that he's been erratic for so long that everybody expects it
You might have been half joking but I think that's a big part of it. You just come to accept the craziness. It's normal.
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wes4dbt
Your words.
It takes an amazing level of talent to misquote someone right after quoting what they actually said. :)
Let me help you out:-
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wes4dbt
Really??? You really think 95% of the posts in this thread are about how Trump is going to destroy the world.
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Originally Posted by
Niya
Such irony, saying this in a thread where 95% of its content are inventive narratives about how Trump is going to destroy the universe.
BTW I could not help but be reminded of this hilarious story from Neil DeGrasse Tyson about an exchange he has in a court of law about eye witness testimony:-
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/HsdFdA1Iboo
That story is literally what just happened here. That is so hilarious. :D:D:D
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Originally Posted by
Niya
It takes an amazing level of talent to misquote someone right after quoting what they actually said. :)
Let me help you out:-
BTW I could not help but be reminded of this hilarious story from Neil DeGrasse Tyson about an exchange he has in a court of law about eye witness testimony:-
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/HsdFdA1Iboo
That story is literally what just happened here. That is so hilarious. :D:D:D
Never seen anyone work so hard at avoiding responsibility for what they say. Thanks for the entertainment.
Why don't you just answer the question?
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Such irony, saying this in a thread where 95% of its content are inventive narratives about how Trump is going to destroy the universe.
Your words. Are they true???
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wes4dbt
Never seen anyone work so hard at avoiding responsibility for what they say.
Like you? Completely avoiding the fact that you said I said something which I didn't actually say:-
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wes4dbt
Really??? You really think 95% of the posts in this thread are about how Trump is going to destroy the world.
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Originally Posted by
Niya
Such irony, saying this in a thread where 95% of its content are inventive narratives about how Trump is going to destroy the universe.
Lets talk about that.
