As "weird" as Trump appears and his supporters have been labeled... it seems this label is being embraced now.
https://youtu.be/K8o6n-AVqMw?si=V6xbvvcQ7fJ4uo7Y
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As "weird" as Trump appears and his supporters have been labeled... it seems this label is being embraced now.
https://youtu.be/K8o6n-AVqMw?si=V6xbvvcQ7fJ4uo7Y
The US withdraw from Afghanistan was during Bidens presidency and was criticized by Trump for doing so.Quote:
Originally Posted by wes4dbt
My mistake, so, what major wars he started as you claimed in your previous posts?
Trump did build a wall.
That, I said I have no extend knowledge on this.
There is no "pedo Thing" happening.
Are you in the FBI? I should watch my arse if so. Lol
https://www.realclearpolling.com/bet...2024/president
I think i posted enough on this. From high to low and with a statistical mistake, the end result seems to be Trump 54.3 % Harris 45.7%.
Will know in 11 days.
I can't think of any. That's probably why I never claimed he did. lolQuote:
My mistake, so, what major wars he started as you claimed in your previous posts?
On non-right wing media J. D. Vance spends most of his interviews backpedaling/cleaning up the idiotic things Trump said the day before. If Trump wins he'll be doing it for the next fours years or until the 25th amendment is used. Sean Spicer and Sara Huckabee are probably laughing and saying "welcome to my world' :p
They finally got exasperated and stopped doing pressers.
One of the interesting thing about the coup against Biden is that it pretty much defangs the 25th Amendment.
If it isn't used to remove someone with such a clear case of dementia and incapacity I suspect that it can only be used now again a President actually on his deathbed.
Speaking of the Devil do we even have a President, since Biden was forced into sinecure status for his incapacity? Running the Executive Branch by Politburo is hardly Constitutional.
I watched him in a press conference just a few minutes ago where he fielded a variety of questions across the spectrum of current events effectivity. I disagree with your characterization. But I'm guessing that doesn't shock you :pQuote:
Originally Posted by dilettante
Was he wearing his Trump hat? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by TysonLPrice
I don't remember him bringing up the "size" of Arnold Palmer.Quote:
Originally Posted by dilettante
You're right, we should apply it equally. I doubt Trump would step down, though.Quote:
If it isn't used to remove someone with such a clear case of dementia and incapacity
He does not have dementia tho so it's 50% less.
And we should wait after he becomes President and then remove him else it spoils all the fun! :D
You've only got to watch one of his speeches to see that he clearly does. Or do you genuinely believe that segways into electric sharks, MTG being blown up in an electric car and windmills causing cancer are a "weave"? The only weave Trump's ever experienced is his hair piece.Quote:
He does not have dementia tho
Trump's mental decline is demonstrably far worse than Biden's but it gets hand waved because he's been bat crap crazy for 8 years.
Alright mate,
Don't wanna spoil it for you + 100 more reasons to talk for him after the elections. ;)
It's funny watching Kamala Hindenburg go down in flames.
Even Dems running for local office are turning to endorse Trump-Vance here now. They smell the change in winds as people reject authoritarianism and a centrally-planned economy.
It feels about over, and even polls reported by left-wing corporate media now admit Trump will probably win the popular vote as well as the meaningful vote.
The only question now is how long the rioting goes on when the lunatics start burning cities again.
I predict that the USA will remain a country with a ridiculous electoral system - or a fascist dictatorship, or perhaps even both.
"The only question now is how long the rioting goes on when the lunatics start burning cities again."
I guess that will be up to Trump, it occurred when he was president.
I don't think the left wing media is quite ready to throw in the towel yet. They've kicked into high gear with their propaganda and are now aggressively regurgitating old lies about Trump. They are desperately trying to stamp the American psyche with some nonsense notion that Trump is a Nazi. It's hilarious to watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by dilettante
I'm curious what lies your referring to.Quote:
They've kicked into high gear with their propaganda and are now aggressively regurgitating old lies about Trump.
That made me wonder what the definition of a Nazi is.Quote:
They are desperately trying to stamp the American psyche with some nonsense notion that Trump is a Nazi.
Obviously Trump doesn't qualify for the first definition. But with all his hate speech against immigrants it would be easy to make the argument he qualifies using the second definition.Quote:
1. : a member of a German political party that controlled Germany from 1933 to 1945 under Adolf Hitler. 2. disapproving : an evil person who wants to use power to control and harm other people especially because of their race, religion, etc. a gang of racist Nazis.
Based on my past experience here with these kinds of topics I don't think my attempting to answer this would lead to a productive discussion. My posts here are more or less aimed at people who already see the same things I do.Quote:
Originally Posted by wes4dbt
If anyone here thinks Trump is actually a Nazi or that CNN and MSNBC are honest news organizations then I'm certainly not going to try and explain why they are wrong. I'm done with all that to be honest.
If you are indeed genuinely curious, the best I can do is advise you to go on Twitter or YouTube. I could even recommend some people to follow. See what they have to say and draw your own conclusions but I'm not going to argue about it here and get myself worked up and banned again.
Whether they are wrong or not is debatable. But I think your right not to get involved. It's probably for the best. But if your going to make comments like in #143 your going to get push back whether want to debate the issue or not.Quote:
If anyone here thinks Trump is actually a Nazi or that CNN and MSNBC are honest news organizations then I'm certainly not going to try and explain why they are wrong. I'm done with all that to be honest.
Good luck
Oh I have zero problem with that and if I did, I wouldn't post it publicly. Push back as much as you want, it doesn't bother me. It's my choice whether I want to debate it or not and in the interest of peace, I choose not to.Quote:
Originally Posted by wes4dbt
I guess she's saved: Barbara Bush Jr. is stumping for Harris now.
But meanwhile even the Amish are voting for Trump this time.
"I guess that will be up to Trump, it occurred when he was president."
Yes, it was the Biden campaign in 2020.
lol....Beyonce couldn't save her so nothing will at this point. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by dilettante
I will give credit to CM for that, we are just getting started :)
"Wow! York County, Pennsylvania, received THOUSANDS of potentially FRAUDULENT Voter Registration Forms and Mail-In Ballot Applications from a third party group. "
https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status...e9fce9dce91%2F
So are blaming people running for office for the actions, or lack of, of the current administration?Quote:
Originally Posted by dilettante
But you are debating it, and you were pushed into it by post #143. Had you not posted it, there would not have been three follow-ups. You insult part of the audience and then say you don't want to debate it in the name of "Peace". OK...:oQuote:
Originally Posted by Niya
On the Nazism thing, no, Trump is clearly not a Nazi. He's not a Fascist either. People have become far too liberal with their use of these terms without bothering to learn what they actually mean. From Wikipedia:-
"Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy."
Some of that applies to Trump but not all of it. He's not a militarist and he hasn't shown a propensity for centralization, arguably the opposite. What Trump is is an Autocrat and he does have some fascistic tendencies but that's not the same as being a fascist. Mostly he's not anything much except a self aggrandising narcissist.
But if we're going to hold the left to a standard of linguistic accuracy we need to hold the right, including Trump himself, to the same standard. He (and his representatives, by proxy) has called Harris, Biden and the left generally Nazis, Fascists, The Anti-Christ, Socialists and Communists. I'd like to think that even the most stump dumb of members would acknowledge that the Nazi, Fascist and Anti-Christ don't apply (if you disagree, I don't care but you're clearly not worth engaging with). I think the Socialism and Communist descriptors are worth engaging with, not because they hold any accuracy, but because I think that some members probably do believe them.
Again, from Wikipedia:-
"Socialism is an economic and political philosophy encompassing diverse economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production, as opposed to private ownership". Nobody on the left of the US political establishment, not even Bernie, is calling for the seizure of the means of production.
If you think it's OK to call the Left Socialist and Communist but not OK to call the Right Fascist then you are either ill-educated or a hypocrite. Take your pick.
Ehm, posts where deleted and people where banned for starting with the Nazi fascists interpretation, so let's all calm down and wait for 6 days before we start pointing and labeling.
What's going to change in 6 days. Whether Trump wins or loses, he is what he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapator
Either way I think this is the last election cycle with him running in it. His cult will continue and maybe he will announce an "heir". Maybe if he loses he'll convince his followers to drink that "special" Kool-Aid.Quote:
Originally Posted by wes4dbt
I was referring on what his actions will be. For example will he stop the wars in Israel and Ukraine or deport illegal immigrants and such.Quote:
Originally Posted by wes4dbt
Thing is, he's talking about deporting legal ones. You know those Haitians who are eating cats and dogs (:rolleyes:) well they're currently in the US legally under Temporary Protected Status. Trump wants to revoke it.Quote:
deport illegal immigrants
And his idea of stopping wars is letting the aggressors have their way...Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDexter
Good good more food on the table for discussion if he gets elected.Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDexter
With if's and but's there is no solid subject for conversation, that is why I say when he gets elected. Not too long now anyway. It's...Oh 5 days give or take.
Let's look at the bets also.
https://www.realclearpolling.com/bet...2024/president
OK he was 61 now he is at 62.8 . Is it possible that the bets are so off ? The scam of the century will be if he knows that he will not be elected and best every penny he's got to Harris! :bigyello:
It's what he's saying, among some other quite disturbing things, and if people are deciding where to put their support that's all they have to go on.Quote:
With if's and but's there is no solid subject for conversation
As for who's likely to win, betting odds don't mean much so I wouldn't bother looking at them. Polls run by media organisations (e.g. CNN and Fox) don't mean much more because the motivation behind their production isn't prediction accuracy, it's about pandering to the audience of that media. Probably the best yardstick available is independent polls, e.g. YouGov, because the motivation to produce those is predictive accuracy - if they get it right this time their stock goes up because people are more likely to believe them next time. But even independent polls are less than reliable because forecasting is an inherently unreliable problem space.
Personally, looking at the indie polls, I think Harris is going to win but I wouldn't want to imply much confidence in that. The polls are neck and neck, let alone within the margin of error, across the battle ground states. This election isn't going to come down to the number of supporters each side has, it's going to come down to how many of those supporters actually go out and vote. My Harris prediction is based on two factors: 1. Trump overperformed his polls in 2016 but has been underperforming ever since. The Dems over performed in 2018, 2020 and 2022. 2. I think turnout is going to be heavily driven by each side's fear of what the other represents. My gut feeling is that Harris supporters are somewhat more fearful of what Trump would do than Trump supporters are fearful of what Harris would do... it is only a gut feeling though.
I agree, I hope the Dem's are focusing on the turnout. It sounds like they are.Quote:
I think turnout is going to be heavily driven by each side's fear of what the other represents. My gut feeling is that Harris supporters are somewhat more fearful of what Trump would do than Trump supporters are fearful of what Harris would do... it is only a gut feeling though.
The reality is getting out to voters. They are seeing even newspeople get fed up.
Conservative columnist Hugh Hewitt storms off Washington Post stream, quits newspaper
https://youtu.be/o3nTglvOaQA?si=ac_-L-0qDSk0ITfL
A longer clip shows Ruth Marcus sputtering and then going offline, leaving only Uncle Tom there on the WaPo plantation to gradually fizzle out.
This sort of thing is really turning heads among the fence-sitters.
Let's not start reaching for the racist epithets. That won't end well. It also seems uncharacteristic for you.Quote:
...Uncle Tom...
Other than that, you're point is that a Trump supporter stormed off when pressed. I think I might be misunderstanding you.
Somehow the original character got twisted to be an insult:Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDexter
"Uncle Tom is the title character of Harriet Beecher Stowe's 1852 novel Uncle Tom's Cabin. The character was seen in the Victorian era as a ground-breaking literary attack against the dehumanization of slaves. Tom is a deeply religious Christian preacher to his fellow slaves who uses nonresistance, but who is willingly flogged to death rather than violate the plantation's code of silence by informing against the route being used by two women who have just escaped from slavery."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Tom
Too bad...
That's interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonLPrice
Such predictable overreach and overreaction.
Uncle Tom:
1. a Black person who is overeager to win the approval of whites (as by obsequious behavior or uncritical acceptance of white values and goals)
2. a person who is overly subservient to or cooperative with authority:
"the worst floor managers and supervisors by far are women … Some of them are regular Uncle Toms"
—Jane Fonda
But surely anyone raised in the US outside of lily-white suburbs already knows that.
The guy was not a Trump supporter, and has criticized him many times. That's why he was a Washington Port employee.Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDexter
The real point is that he refuses to lie in the service of acting as a DNC operative any more. Basically he's been pushed too far to deliver fake news any more, his conscience won't allow it.
But again, surely you already knew all of that.
You missed the point...he was written as an outstanding character, twisted into a disparaging term in modern times. I was also a little surprised you posted that. It does seem out of character.Quote:
Originally Posted by dilettante
I'm guessing you didn't look at the link or you would know how wrong you are...but, I don't look at yours either :p
Hugh wasn't pressed. He just didn't like what Jonathan was about to say about his reporting.Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDexter
Jon should've kept his cool and not jump on Hugh like that. He should've discussed more about those lawsuits that won instead of getting personal.
Down to the wire...I'm curious if anyone here thinks Trump will accept the election results if he loses?
Hugh voted for Trump in late 2016, and a month ago stated in his vlog that he's voting for Trump again.Quote:
Originally Posted by dilettante
I'm guessing you never read Hugh's column, or listened to him before.Quote:
Originally Posted by dilettante
He walked out because it got personal in that live stream.
Fake news? Hugh is 100% conservative. His radio show, vlog, and Washington Post column is pro GOP for over 8 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by dilettante
Why would you spin this as if he's switching sides now?
He wont lose. Have you seen the latest polls? :bigyello:Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonLPrice
Um... you don't have to look at the polls.
What have you been up to programwise? :o
Of course he wont accept a lose. He's still claiming he didn't lose 2020. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by TysonLPrice
When you apply it to the only black guy it's pretty clearly racist. Especially when you accompany it with "on the WaPo plantation". This is not up for debate. Don't go down that route.Quote:
Originally Posted by dilettante
No, I didn't miss the point. Wikipedia is known for its far-left bias.Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonLPrice
That's a pretty desperate attempt at demonization.Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDexter
A reference to one's race is not automatically "racist" nor is the description inappropriate. Edgy? Maybe. But it does make the point.
You are flat out wrong. This is ChatGPT:Quote:
Originally Posted by dilettante
Quote:
In Uncle Tom's Cabin by Harriet Beecher Stowe, the main character, Uncle Tom, is portrayed as a deeply compassionate, morally upright, and gentle Christian man who endures unimaginable hardships under the brutal system of slavery. Stowe crafted Uncle Tom as a symbol of resilience and faith, intending to elicit empathy and provoke outrage at the injustice of slavery.
Tom is depicted as self-sacrificing and forgiving, often prioritizing others’ well-being above his own. His steadfast religious convictions serve as his guiding force throughout his life, even when faced with severe cruelty and oppression. Despite suffering under different slave owners, including the benevolent Mr. Shelby and the ruthless Simon Legree, Tom maintains his integrity and kindness, embodying a moral ideal.
Pretty faithful impression:
https://youtu.be/J8sXuMjppTE?si=VywTh25SYLJnNZXL
I suggest you try asking a black American friend what the term means today (and for many decades). Or look in a dictionary as I already cited for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonLPrice
It wasn't merely a "reference to one's race" it was a reference to an insult specifically bound to race. This is the last time I'm going to say this before I issue a ban: This is not up for debate, don't go down this route.Quote:
A reference to one's race is not automatically "racist" nor is the description inappropriate. Edgy? Maybe. But it does make the point
Let's all call down with the racist stuff.
Also, I was constantly looking the other way but I would ask admins to issue a ban to people constantly calling Trump Nazi or Fascist. I think it''s only fair.
You seem to be missing the point "he was written as an outstanding character, twisted into a disparaging term in modern times". Yes, it is used that way now, it was not originally. But as suggested/directed, I'm dropping it.Quote:
Originally Posted by dilettante