updated link: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/ie7/default.mspx :DQuote:
Originally Posted by RobDog888
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updated link: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/ie7/default.mspx :DQuote:
Originally Posted by RobDog888
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Originally Posted by RobDog888
Yes a rip off....things other browsers have had for a long time. And way before IE 8 is out..all other browswers will have a lot of new stuff again. IE always one step (or 10) behind...
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Originally Posted by CornedBee
Thanks...:) thats the one..:)
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for downloading with firefox, i use the Download Manager Tweak Extension. definitely much nicer looking than the default download manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by penagate
not sure if this is true, but i heard somewhere that Opera contained so many rendering optimizations in its code that rendering bugs were introduced with the optimizations.Quote:
Originally Posted by CornedBee
I havn't seen anything of that..nor heard about it...but first time I noticed Operas speed was by this example (link bottom of post). It is JS, and in IE and Fx it barely moves, but it is great fun to look at it in Opera. Then again, you seldom need THAT fast JS, but then again, it is a proof of 1337 coding skills in that company...
http://home.broadpark.no/~nilsgs/rotate.html
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It's reasonably fast in my Fox, but I've got a fast computer.
It doesn't move in 1.0.7 in Debian..:D..just noticed now...at least it was much faster on my 3Ghz Hyperthreaded here at work in Windows with Opera then Fx...they might have improved it in 1.5 though. No idea.
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I don't see a big speed difference with FX 1.5.0.1 and Opera 8.51.
Can somoen test IE too? Maybe it was just my machine. I am in Linux now, so I have no chance at all...or if someone mabye have Fx 1.0.x installed, maybe you can test it and see if it is actualy become faster in Fx 1.5, something that would be an extra reason for using Fx over IE..:)
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Firefox 1.5 was noticeably speedier than the same rotation displayed in IE...
About 7-8 seconds in Firefox for a full rotation compared to about 12 or 13 for IE... on my machine...
Here is the test result in my P3 1Ghz.
IE:
CPU Usage: ~97%
Mem Usage: ~16MB
Opera:
CPU Usage: 95%-97%
Mem Usage: ~19MB
Fx:
CPU Usage: ~97%
Mem Usage: 22MB-25MB
Speed:
IE 6 - Slowest. The frame updates only once/twice per second.
Opera 8.5 - The framerate is ok. But the picture itself has some blank spot. (I don't know if I can describe it)
Firefox 1.5 - Slower than Opera but the picture renders full.
Infact, it looks nicer in Fx
BTW, see the default page in fullscreen mode: http://home.broadpark.no/~nilsgs/
Its cool :thumb:
Opera and FireFox were very similar on my machine... there wasn't any kind of rendering problems on the Opera one (first time install and use of opera, this was the very first page I ever visited in it :) )... IE still lagged behind....
Camino:
cpu: 1%
memory: 25MB
IE:MAC:
cpu: 1%
memory: 22MB
Hmmm in only a few minutes of using this Opera browser, I am growing quite fond of it. It is zippy (even on my Turtle Dialup), nice interface, and like how it renders the page (since I have dialup, I am able to see the page fill in as it loads... its preeeeeeety in Opera :p ) hehehe... I think I'm going to start using this for the next couple of days, I think I might be getting off the FireFox bandwagon. Now where is that Opera bandwagon??????
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Originally Posted by tr333
Is it the same amount of RAM on the macines as the last test? if so, then that is pretty good (no back cache or anything in the other test either??)
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In my case they were completely new instance. Without any back cache. The only other programs were running was Norton Personal Firewall and Yahoo Messanger.
Edit: In Fx Safe Mode, CPU usage was same. Mem usage was ~23MB
tr333, what is your CPU Speed ?
PowerPC G4 1.5GHz. this speed is not equivalent to intel/amd speeds.Quote:
Originally Posted by iPrank
maybe he was looking at "Processor % Free"... instead of "Processor % Used" :)
P.S. What the heck is "back cache" :confused:
Fx 1.5 saves the parsed state of the last few pages in memory cache for the "blazingly fast back" feature. This can take a lot of memory.
Ahhh ok... well I browse the web like I live my life.... always going forward... don't really need to go back...
*being cheesy, as I click the back button to go to the previous forum*
The full cache of your browsed pages (for that particular window) in memory.Quote:
What the heck is "back cache"
In case of Opera and Firefox, they also keeps entire session in memory.
Look at the task manager. You'll notice only one instance of Fx or Opera is running even if there is more than one window on screen. That single instance maneges your whole session.
Close all Opera instances. Then run Opera again. See the memory usage. Now browse internet for one hour. (atleast one window must be present all the time. Opera closes the session if there is no windows).
Now see memory usage. ;)
Here is another cool feature of Opera:
Browse some pages in Opera. Or type something in the reply screen. Now from taskmaneger's process list, select Opera.exe, richt click, click 'End process tree'.
Now, run Opera again. See ? It can restore your whole session including typed text. :D
Not possible in IE. In Fx it is possible with TabMixPlus or Session Saver extensions, but they are not as good as Opera's.
For me, that is a problem: when I reopen Opera, it doesn't refresh the pages is shows to me. This is little bothersome when testing pages in multiple browsers. I've also noticed I have to manually refresh some tv programs pages, because Opera keeps showing me the last refresh, not the latest version of the page.
Of course this is a matter of preference: I don't like this behavior as a default. Someone else might like it :)
By default Opera checks for a newer page every 5 hour. Change this setting in Tools>Preferences>Advanced>History.
That may solve the problem.
Edit: If you mean, it doesn't refresh afret a crash, then I guess it is good. Otherwise we'll loose all our typed text.
Oh yes, that's the other problem of Opera: it crashes far more often than a vanilla Firefox. I haven't had a Firefox crash in ages, but I've managed to see Opera crash every now and then (and I use Firefox far more, Opera is only for testing). This is personal experience of course, but this has kept going on on three different computers so I don't think it is a computer specific issue.
I don't bother to change the 5 hour setting, I'd have to do it to multiple installs of Opera on multiple computers (I'm lazy :)).
grrrrr all this stuff should be in my opera thread... :( no one is replying there... I feel left out... maybe everyone got confused... :)
I haven't seen similar crash problem with Fx or Opera.
But then again, I can't comment on this corectly. I'm low on RAM (128MB), so, sometimes I have to manually crash an Opera/Firefox session to freeup RAM.
Browsers these days take up a LOT of resources. After a normal working day here at CERN without closeing the browsers once, it is using usually between 170-230Mb of RAM..:) That includes VBF though..:D
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Well, I think Hack or someone of the moderators could just change the thread title. I don't see why to make an entirely new discussion since this is going on so well. Actually I'd love to see the thread title made more general so any browser widely in use could be rised in to the discussion, ie. "modern browser comparisons" or something better than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by gigemboy
Sounds good to me... :) Still using Opera here... going on 7 hours or so hehe
French police switches to Firefox: 70 000 desktops covered by end of the year. They'll setup both Firefox and Thunderbird.
Now that's going to make me never use FF :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Merri
Huh? But wouldn't that mean you shouldn't use Internet Explorer before they have switched? (maybe should have a move to Chit Chat... make a "why we hate the French" thread or something... I dunno)
Just trying to lighten up the thread a bit - over 1000 reads so far - 150 posts...
Hack dropped out quite a while ago (only 9 posts) - if you look at the "Who Posted" summary Noteme (#1) has 23 and you have 20 - RobDog trails with 12 (amazing that he's not on top of this one ;) )
The EU has problems with MS - monopoly issues that I think they feel never got ironed out properly...
The US had those same issues - but apparently our legilative branch decided not to "hurt" the golden goose...
Where the heck is this "who posted" summary?
Click on NEW POSTS - so you get this thread listed...Quote:
Originally Posted by gigemboy
Click on the number in the REPLIES column - it is a link after all ;)
lol... hey now, I might have 2000+ posts, but I'm still new :D Never really used the "New Posts" link...
***EDIT - also never clicked on the "replies" link.... for that matter... hehehe
The REPLIES column does appear in the forum views as well...
This thread is #2 most replied and #4 most viewed thread. :D
http://www.vbforums.com/forumdisplay...ort=replycount
@gigemboy, clicking on the 'number of replies' number on forum index will show 'who posted' too.
Yes yes.. I GET IT!!! lol.... (Thus adding one more unrelated post by me :D )
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Originally Posted by szlamany
Don't be amazed....I am always the #1 poster in any CC thread...;)
No but seriously. If MS doesn't realize that the same thing is about to happen as back in the Netscape days, then they are pretty dumb. For most people the last years, a browser has been a browser. And only for some new web standars have ment something for them. But IE catched up with Netscape and filled the gap. These days they are doing a lame try to do the same, but they don't realize that it is much more happening in the browser world these days then just tabbed browsing and some secutrity. Just look at flock. They have lots of new ideas. Not finished yet of couruse, but even Fx has started to pick up on some of the ideas. Which is great. They chase each other to get the best brwoser experience, but all IE do, is just ripping of ideas. Nothing new and experimental. Just the one step behind every time. Wonder when they plan on IE 8. 2017?
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[QUOTE=NoteMe]Don't be amazed....I am always the #1 poster in any CC thread...;)
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Ohhh...and BTW..I guess I am the person with most ratings for this thread too...3 for now..:) First ratings in monts..:) Even if I tell people to **** off...:)
"Best FireFox Extensions"
Added today to Download.com, Really cool stuff.
http://www.download.com/Best-Firefox...ml?tag=sptlt_s
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Originally Posted by szlamany
Just remember you should not judge a book by its cover or its extras. ;) Just try IE 7 or wait for its final release. :)
I have five, making up about 10% of my total ratings value :)Quote:
Originally Posted by NoteMe
I tested the browser, but for the most part Microsoft has only been fixing some of the major flaws this far: standards don't work too well (ie. they haven't removed the "doctype not in the first line fallbacks into quirksmode in XHTML strict" issue). There are also some new weird textflow bugs: text reserves more space than there is available, thus goes out of the box... but I take it that is due to the beta nature. Yet Firefox was much more mature in its beta stage IE7 has ever been (for the rendering part), I've used Firefox since its Phoenix and Firebird days.Quote:
Originally Posted by RobDog888
Still with the IEblog stating they're trying to keep as much "compatibility" as they can means that we can't expect as full standards commitment the other browser teams do. Or so I'm starting to feel with the information they provide. I first thought when I read about their plans a year or so back that they meant keeping compatibility of quirksmode, but it seems they're trying to keep their old standards mode compatibity as well... I'd love to get rid of using conditional comments for IE7 just to get the styles right. Conditional comments are a IE proprietary feature; we don't really need those in the other browsers as they get the standards right for the most part.
If IE7 doesn't fix the standards issues well enough and it still requires conditional comments fixes, that'll eventually mean that both Firefox and Opera fanboys keep on yelling how ****** IE is. With a reason.
Eat dirt and live FF!
http://www.vbforums.com/attachment.p...chmentid=45086
I dont think its fair to be judging IE so harshly when its new version is in Beta. We didnt pound on FF when it was in Beta. ;)
Wait for the final release and then see what they fixed and any other improvements too.
Nobody pound on FF when it was on beta because it was actually good all the time ;)
Anyways, you're now politely asking me to shut up: for what reason? I should have as much rights to tell my opinion and thoughts as you have. Atleast I reason my opinions and don't just rely on the regular fanboy level. I don't think it is at all unfair for IE. I didn't only talk about the beta or judge fully based on the beta.
I can take a look into Firefox 2 stuff if you like, but I probably wouldn't find much to complain about: not because it wouldn't have problems, but because what I could complain about? About the only thing you could complain about is that passing Acid 2 test doesn't come until Firefox 3. And that test as such is only a wish list of the most wanted "cool" features there are among the web developers. I also don't have much at all to complain about Mozilla's future views of their browser.
:D No, no, no. I wasnt directing my post like that at all. I just wanted to try to say that until IE 7 is officially released members shouldnt make a permenant decision about not liking or using it. This is a different situation then it was for when FF came out. I think MS is puting out IE beta before they really should be betas as an effort to do pre-marketing and appease users. This is their known practice but eventually they do get there. MS relaized that the Windows 95/98/ME platform was never going to get where they needed it to be so they let it die and focused on the NT platform as it was where they wanted and needed to be focused on for their future.
Uh, you didn't say that in the earlier post :) But I wasn't making permanent decisions there either as you're saying, merely sharing thoughts and coming up for an opinion until more is known. Actually count it just as a regular discussion, readers can make up what they want (minus the fanboys and the like who only take the good parts about what they like and the bad parts of what the don't like).
Ok just found another benefit of IE vs FF.
Intellisense on the address bar and a better graphic. :D
http://www.vbforums.com/images/ieimages/2006/02/1.jpg
Fx does the same thing out of your history.
What do you call this? :)
Autocomplete. ;)
Do you have a point? :confused:
It's exactly the same. Except IE gives you the title as well as the url. On different lines.
How can something be "Exactly the same" but "different..."?Quote:
Originally Posted by dglienna
Firefox gives you hundreds of pages that you visited IE gives me this:
It's been a while since I used IE at VBF, though.
My point is that it is not the same. They are different. :)
We get the cool icon in the url, though :)
Why do you need intelisense or autocomplete, when you can use a keyword in Fx...;)
I just write
v
and I will go to vbforums.com..;)...much faster...;)
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You mean keywords like they use in AOL :lol: