Official: George W Bush is Stupidest President in 50 Years

I never said that all muslims are brainwashing there children nabeels. But i have SEEN an entire documentary on the "Palestinian School for Suicide Bombers". Needless to say that changes peoples opinion. And just to let you know abdul, if the US wanted to wipe out every Islamic nation on this planet, they could do it in a matter of hours. easlily. And still have enough nukes left to take on China. The reason that the US CANNOT do that is because they are a democratic society in which freedom, and equality is a key element. Ask yourself this: why is the US so prosperous if they are so bad? I mean they are 1/4 of the world economy, their sanctions can criple just about any nation.


But of course this argument is in vain...:rolleyes:

well thats a messed up school and its making us all look bad :(

the problem is that (ive seen it in my mosque) that everyone thinks they know everything, and if you are doing somethign diff. than them, your wrong. they havent obviously red the quran if they do shyt like that..but thats just messed up.

yeah i agree the taliban are a little (understatement?)screwed up. but they're headed in the right direction..

saudi arabia was better off before the US came in, its the western culture thats screwd them up..and them for listening

the government described in teh Qur'an is basically a democracy

Israel and the Palestinians need to grow up


but , why would the US goto SA if the didnt have oil? yeah, it is the nations fault as much as it is the USs fault.


and why do people automatically label a terrorist a muslim and visa versa? sure we have people who are extreme. but every religion/society/culture does. just cuz teh guy does something bad doesnt mean the whole religion/society/culture is bad. maybe im too yung to understand that but..

sorry if i made mistakes..but ive had to rush through this post..going home (finally!)

Good long nabeel. This thread is now 3 pages long:)

I personally don't associate muslims and terrorists in the same category, I have muslim friends and they're perfectly normal people, but what you tend to find is that all muslims stick up for the Palestinians and hate Israel, and any kind of debate ends up talking about what muslims all over the world are doing, and what the Koran says, not what any individual Islamic culture is doing. There seems to be this whole 'got to stick together' mentality among a lot of muslims, that isn't always appropriate in my opinion.

I totally disagree that the Taliban is headed in the right direction. They are probably either headed for a starving and dying nation, or a revolution. What the Taliban do is not that similar to what the Koran says, they maintain power through fear and public displays of the wrath of the government. If that's what the Koran advises then it's a lot worse than I previously thought.

First of all Nabeels, us 15 year olds must NEVER admit that were too young to understand anything (even if we are):D .
On a serious note, i agree with Harry that Aphganistan is headed in anywhere but the right direction. There are religious police who will beat women if they see there hair of ankles. First of all the concept of women not being able to even go outside without a ridiculous costume (that would be associated with halloween in noth america) is totally unjust and is an atrocity in itself. Selcondly, having police that beat women for the alleged disobedience if this law without even giving them a chance to defend themselves only makes it worse. And on top of it all, they do it in the name of Islam! Now im sorry but I would be lying through my teeth if i said that that did not change my opinion towards Islam, regardless of what the Koran actually teaches.
One last thing...In many cases, Muslims are terrorists, because it is there only means of fighting back (i am in no means justifying there cause or moral justification, on the contrary) against organized governments with trained militaries who are forced to use them against them(muslims). Such is the case in Isreal and Palestine. I am simply stating this fact, i am not justifying the actions of anyone.

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because it is there only means of fighting back

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Terrorism is a means of fighting back.......BS! Terrorism is a well funded machine. It has as much resources as any government but they choose to "fight back" by killing people who do not agree with them. If the US did this the world would condemn (and rightfully so) us in a second. Why shouldn't the world condemn terrorists????

it does not mean that if you have a government and a legal army in a country, you are not terrorist. Palestine does have much weapons to fight back so,now, they are being called terrorists and gang.

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Terrorism is a means of fighting back.......BS! Terrorism is a well funded machine. It has as much resources as any government but they choose to "fight back" by killing people who do not agree with them. If the US did this the world would condemn (and rightfully so) us in a second. Why shouldn't the world condemn terrorists????

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Let us take an example:

If I kill your brother and say "don't fight back because you will be terrorist then". What is your opinion on that?
The same thing is with the countries. US wants every country to be under its rule. And she wants none of the countries to fight back or even speak against them when US attacks on them or does whatever wrong!

Last thing...Can you explain why muslims are terrorists?
Here is list of "least" muslims killed(shaheeed) around the world:

Muslims killed in:

Kashmir = 70,000
Palestine = 550 (within just this 8 month fighting)
->Israel = 113
Chechnya = atleast 3000 (that may be alot larger number)
Bosnia = 7000 (within 5 days in the UN and NATO's safe area)

What do you think now? Were those muslims ,who had been killed, terrorist? OR the people who killed them?

"I kill your brother and say "don't fight back because you will be terrorist then". What is your opinion on that?"

My opinion is that is the legal process. If someone were to kill my brother, I would expect you to stand trial like a man and take whatever punishment is handed down to you. I will not kill you myself, because I have respect for the presumption of innocence.

Palestinians stone Israelis and then complain when the IDF tries to protect its people. Arab nations continually re-affirm their position to run the Jews into the sea, and then wonder why no one cares about internal problems of religion and terrorism.

Arab nations don't care about Palestinians, they use them as a football to destroy the state of Israel and to run the Jews into the sea. In 1967 when thousands of Palestinians were homeless, who provided water, food, supplies, and other necesities? Saudi Arabia? Iran? Sudan? No. It was Israel.

That is the problem! There is no equal law in this world. UN (who is the the judge of all this world) is not protecting anybody. Is sharon been punished so far to killing those 500 Palestinians? UN, itsleft, punish the innocent countries and people.

Okay folks. Katie pointed this thread out to me on the other web site (you know, the fun one), and I decided temporarily drop back in and just let everyone know that Abdul does not speak for any Canadians I know.

In fact I posted my following opinion of him to Katie... I think it pretty well somes up my thoughts on him.

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It's frightening that people like him exist.

His belief that women should be "looked after" by men is laughable, especialy coming from a 15 year old. Whats frightening me is that my tax dollars are paying for his education (I am ashamed to see that he is a Canadian resident/citizen). I suppose the occasional screwball slips through the net.

I can't say that I agree with all the **** going on in Palestine/Isreal, but Harry has repeatedly made the excellent point that they are both as bad as each other, and Abdul staunchly refuses to recognise the fact. Anyone so convinced of the black and white nature of the world is either very dim witted or very brainwashed.

I don't agree with terrorism, but I understand why people do it. America and Britain are two very agressive nations who have made loads of mistakes and started loads of trouble, but killing innocent people (e.g. Embassy bombings/bombing planes etc.) cannot be justified in any extreme. Look at the people in Lockerbie and on the Pan-Am flight. What did they ever do to anyone. How did killing them further the cause of terrorists. All it did was piss people off. But, I also don't think America was right or justified in bombing Libya in retaliation (and in turn killing innocent people). It all shades of grey, and this arsehole can't see that, all he can see is the I'm right and you're wrong side of things. People like him should be f***ed and burned as far as I'm concerned.....

... or maybe he would prefer it if the rest of the world really did turn against Islam and we started discriminating against them in Europe and the Americas?

But it won't happen. I was visiting with a few of my Muslim friends at the weekend (round to see the baby), and they are all nice gentle people who totally disagree with violence. They would be shocked and upset to see this ****** use their religon as an excuse for violence (especially given that he comes from the same country as them). Abdul is no Muslim and no Canadian as far as I am concerned, and he should be ashamed to sully the name of both with his wretched putrid existance.

The best thing he could do for both his country and religon is to open his mind to the beauty of a multi-cultural world, where men and women live in peace. But alas, I don't think he posses the mental capacity to do this and will follow his indoctrination blindly. It is a sad thing to say of anyone, but the world is a worse off place for him having ever been born into it.


SD

"That is the problem!"

What is? That Palestinian terrorists have no regard for peace and order?

"There is no equal law in this world."

I think that there shouldn't be equal law. I think that each state should be able to create its own statues and codes, so that if you've got a problem with them, you can go live in a more acceptable place.

"UN (who is the the judge of all this world) is not protecting anybody."

Palestine isn't part of the UN. There is no state called "Palestine" anymore. It is Israel, and Palestinians are trying to take Israel away from us.

"Is sharon been punished so far to killing those 500
Palestinians?"

Sharon didn't murder anyone. When you pick up rocks and beat Israelis to death, there are going to be consequences. So far, the only consequence is rubber bullets. Thank your lucky stars that Sharon doesn't decide to end the violence and occupy the West Bank, because stone-throwing, suicide-bombing fools will not stand a chance.

Come to think of it, I'm pretty amazing that the IDF hasn't already done this.

I am Canadian but here, I am talking about the religious. I also have some white(canadian) friend. And there is no fight or violence or anything like that.

We are discussion the fight between Israel and Palestine. You put your opinion, I put my opinion..great! We are not gonna fight with each other here..right?

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Palestine does not exist?? You cannot say that forget that country after you have attacked and occupied the country:rolleyes:
I was talking about the international law. That is problem that when you have destroyed Palestine, you can say that it does not exist but where was UN when Palestine was being destroyed?

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We are discussion the fight between Israel and Palestine.

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Er, actually you are talking about a number of things,

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Originally posted by abdul Muslims killed in:

Kashmir = 70,000
Palestine = 550 (within just this 8 month fighting)
->Israel = 113
Chechnya = atleast 3000 (that may be alot larger number)
Bosnia = 7000 (within 5 days in the UN and NATO's safe area)

What do you think now? Were those muslims ,who had been killed, terrorist? OR the people who killed them? [/B]

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or are you changing your tune now that you realise how indefensible your previous stance on women, religous intollerence and sheer racism is?

Maybe you would care to admit your mistake, and then people might see your subsequent posts in a more tollerable light. But as it is, you come across as a small minded bigot who's "facts" obviously come from the great big bumper book of irrefutable facts published on the internet by people without any axe to grind.... :rolleyes:

From your english, I assume that you are fairly new to Canada (or are a French speaker). I think you will find that you're views are not acceptable in an open and peaceful country like this, and you fellow Muslims will be ashamed of you.

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We are not gonna fight with each other here..right?

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Don't be frightened of me, I'm a very gentle individual. Be frightened of my wife and every other Canadian woman .... very frightened... :D Does it not burn your eyes to live in an infidel country like Canada where women brazenly and wantonly show skin, and god forbid, don't obey their husbands every whim and command?

Maybe you would like to slap one of them around a bit so that you can show them who's boss? Does it feel good to hit women? Does it make you feel strong? Superior? Good? Holy?

In your view of the world is it right for any nation to declare that they will not rest until they have killed off every person in another nation.... is that a reasonable opinion to have?

SD

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Originally posted by abdul
I am Canadian but here, I am talking about the religious. I also have some white(canadian) friend. And there is no fight or violence or anything like that.

We are discussion the fight between Israel and Palestine. You put your opinion, I put my opinion..great! We are not gonna fight with each other here..right?

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Back to the post again:

Palestine does not exist?? You cannot say that forget that country after you have attacked and occupied the country:rolleyes:
I was talking about the international law. That is problem that when you have destroyed Palestine, you can say that it does not exist but where was UN when Palestine was being destroyed?

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I suppose this post proves SD'd point about him:rolleyes: The fundamental problem with having debates on forums like this is that people can pick and choose what arguments they answer...and abdul here, who i am ashamed to say is a fellow canadian....is a great example of that.

"Palestine does not exist?? You cannot say that forget that country after you have attacked and occupied the country"

Palestine is no longer a country. We did not occupy it or destroy it; rather, we took it back.

"I was talking about the international law."

In 1948 the UN was not in an incredible shape to do anything, nor did it have the power to do so.

"That is problem that when you have destroyed Palestine, you can say that it does not exist but where was UN when Palestine was being destroyed?"

Seeing as how thousands of Jews were left homeless, without belongings, money, many of whom didn't even have clothes, or any hope of rebuilding their lives, no one was in the mood to object to rebuilding our homeland.

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Don't be frightened of me, I'm a very gentle individual. Be frightened of my wife and every other Canadian woman .... very frightened... Does it not burn your eyes to live in an infidel country like Canada where women brazenly and wantonly show skin, and god forbid, don't obey their husbands every whim and command?

Maybe you would like to slap one of them around a bit so that you can show them who's boss? Does it feel good to hit women? Does it make you feel strong? Superior? Good? Holy?

In your view of the world is it right for any nation to declare that they will not rest until they have killed off every person in another nation.... is that a reasonable opinion to have?

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I was talking about the rights of women in Islam - not chritianity. The women in Islam should be treated as our holly book says.
Has I said that Women in Canada should be treated the same way as in an Islamic country? They show their skins..no problem..there religious allows them to do that. Islam does not allow the Islamic women show their skins or any other kind of stuff that has been discusses!
I am Canadian but not a christian:p

yeah abdul, you gotta be a little open minded. both sides are being stupid, they're both beating the crap out of each other. its not any one person/sides fault. arguing on and on about something really pointless isnt gonna help..its just gonna make more friction...so lay back ok..?

all teh taliban want is proper religious government. it makes sense to me you know? i dunno how to explain it......


they're cleaning up the country then theyre gonna build a new government on it. its kinda stupid/hard to make a government where half the people wanna get rid of you.

hey what happened to that stem cell thingy at 9? im too lazy to go over to teh tv and check.

win 2k rules..i just finished installing it..hehehe.

and happened to this thread? its supposed to be on how stupid mr.prez is :D

-nabeel

Yes, This thread was about Bush's stupidity it was changed to a religious thread:)

How much RAM do have right now on your computer?
I got 64MB and I am still stuck on windows 98 even I have windows 2000:(

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all teh taliban want is proper religious government. it makes sense to me you know? i dunno how to explain it......

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It's only their idea of what's 'proper', not everybody's. Personally I don't think the government should be affiliated with religion in any way, religion and politics should be seperate issues.

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they're cleaning up the country then theyre gonna build a new government on it. its kinda stupid/hard to make a government where half the people wanna get rid of you.

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It bloody well should be hard, in fact it should be impossible to set up a government where half the population wants to get rid of you. Personally, I think democracy is a hell of a lot better than fanatically religious dictatorship.

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I was talking about the rights of women in Islam - not chritianity. The women in Islam should be treated as our holly book says.

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I know you're talking about the women in Islam, but the pure and simple fact is that most women in Islamic cultures are treated as an underclass, and inferior. There is no point telling everybody what it says in the Koran when very few people in these Islamic cultures take any notice of what it says. It doesn't matter what's in the Koran, what matters is that Islamic cultures give less rights to women, because that's the reality of the situation. Stop hiding behind the Koran and start dealing with real life.

I'm not saying this happens in all Islamic cultures but it does happen in some.

I'm talking about the cirmumcision of women. This is a gross act of abuse on women. For those who don't know what it is or thought that it only happenned to Jewish men then let me just say that it is an act of surgical removal of, I'll just say a part of the women's anatomy, that enables them to derive pleasure from sexual intercourse. Some muslim men have got it into their heads that women should not enjoy sex and therefore it is justified to take out of a womens body that which enable them to enjoy it.

If that's Islam's idea of womens rights, they can keep it.

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Some muslim men have got it into their heads that women should not enjoy sex and therefore it is justified to take out of a womens body that which enable them to enjoy it.

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Maybe they're just crap lays, and this gives them an excuse when the earth doesn't exactly move for her :rolleyes:

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Originally posted by HarryW
It's only their idea of what's 'proper', not everybody's. Personally I don't think the government should be affiliated with religion in any way, religion and politics should be seperate issues.

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Exactly. Religion thrives in freedom, not when it is forced upon people. Abdul you say that women should have to follow the rules in your holy book. Well i wont bother disputing whats in that book. But i will ask you whether those women have a chance to change their faith if they do not agree with what is in that book. Are they allowed to become christian, for instance? Of course not, because then there wouldnt be any muslim women in countries like aphganistan. The taliban dont give a s*** about the koran!! The koran is just something to hide behind, so they can maintain power. The stupidity of it all is apparent to anyone who takes an objective look.

yeah i get what ur saying. the taliban are messed up..they're not following hte quran.

btw that fc thing isnt allowed in islam.


everyone is inventing their own kind :(


i have 512mb ram, 800p3..2k runs very nicely :)

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yeah i get what ur saying. the taliban are messed up..they're not following hte quran.

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Well, that's not quite the point either. It doesn't matter whether it says it in the quran or not, they shouldn't force in on people anyway.

What 'fc' thing are you talking about?

Back to the stupiest president on the planet of earth :D

You have to give credit to the ppl that are controlling the world, for leaking more and more clue about who they are. lol this is no X-FILES. It's obvious by now that $$$ buys you power(in any country). Kenney's death date + 50 years that's when you will see the top-secret investigation document on his assassination.
I am sure the big big boss is dissapointed of his pick...Bush gonna screw their 4 years-long script and make a war at the wrong time;)

The next thing you know they'll put a real monkey for the president of United States:D For now they just use Bush as a guinea pig. "Don't screw up man!" :D lol

Seriously I can't believe they allow him to open his mouth. He's either making monkey faces or incoherent sentenses.


At the end of the day Bush does provide some humor in our life - how touching :D:D:D:D

"It's obvious by now that $$$ buys you power(in any country)."

Of course, this is capitalism; we wouldn't have it any other way.

Please tell me that abdul is playing a big joke:confused: :confused: :confused:

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I was talking about the rights of women in Islam - not chritianity. The women in Islam should be treated as our holly book says.
Has I said that Women in Canada should be treated the same way as in an Islamic country? They show their skins..no problem..there religious allows them to do that. Islam does not allow the Islamic women show their skins or any other kind of stuff that has been discusses!
I am Canadian but not a christian:p

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Thats what you dont understand. I am NOt christian, but i live in Canada. I am canadian. The term canadian does not imply a religion. I could be agnostic and still be Canadian. They are separate things, as they should be. Women can wear what they want and do what they want not because of the bible, or any holy book, but because Canada is FREE. Free of any religious goverment. Proof that this sytem works best, is well blatent. Canada is among the best nations to live in (3rd i beleive according to the UN).

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Canada is among the best nations to live in (3rd i beleive according to the UN).

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Just out of interest, what countries are 1st and 2nd?

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Originally posted by nishantp
Canada is among the best nations to live in (3rd i beleive according to the UN).

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Behind Iraq and Afghanistan...?

hmmm... maybe Monaco and New Zealand. They're pretty inoffensive...

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Originally posted by InvisibleDuncan
Behind Iraq and Afghanistan...?

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Norway is first...but im not sure about second. Sorry. Canada was first for several years, as our Stupid excuse for a PM used to brag about all he could. Finally his stupidy and policies brought us down. Yes i blame it (mostly) on him.

I think he means Australia is 2nd:rolleyes:

Norway and Morocco are first and second, I think. And it isn't Jean Chretien's fault that he's a *******.

True, true...its canadians fault for voting the moron in (he's in his 3rd term:rolleyes: and voter turnouts are at an all time low..)

Who the hell else is there to vote for? This country sucks.

True enough i guess. Stockwell Day turned out to be a moron. What do think of this Stephen Harper guy? Just another Day? Or is he the next Trudeau?

I hope he's neither. I actually feel sorry for Day, he now owes a $60,000 mortgage to the bank that he sacrificed for his political career, and now that's fallen into the toilet.

Trudeau, on the other hand, seemed like a complete *******. If you're looking for a good example of a Canadian politician, the closest you could probably get is Pearson.

hmm i must say
Chretien was the best canidate among all that ran

that Day guy is just STUPID, nothing but pure stupid
so what if he paid 60 000
he messed up, why should canadians have to pay for his mistakes
Day took the aliance DOWN, which was good
liberal all the way

Well i dont think Trudeau was a very good PM either. But he was practically the embodiment of charisma. Everyone followed him because of his charm, not his policies. I think we need someone like that to get rid of Jean there.