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that's because the computer preforms the tasks after each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by learning c
but because of it's speed, you don't notice it.
that's the reason for the DoEvents function in programming.
DoEvents allows Windows to proceed with other functions to continue with your application afterwards.
penagate can a human consciously multithread?
women say they can... :p
Consciously, I'm not sure how far that would go. But that's not the issue. The point at hand is the subconscious, what we do without thinking about it.
lol :D
Depends how you define 'multithread' in the context of a human brain. You could argue that when you play the piano with both hands, that's multithreading; but you could also argue that playing the piano is a single operation.Quote:
Originally Posted by learning c
that's single threading is it not the reading and processing of the music?
timeshifter, arguably its the conscious thought that is the most valuable, every other subconscious operation supports a single threaded conscious thought, well it seems to me to be that way?
The piano is easily the most extreme example from a musical viewpoint. The ability to see four or five notes at once on a sheet of paper, compute what each note is, apply any key changes that are needed, then proceed to play all the notes at the same time is either multi threading or EXTREMELY fast processing.
As I say, it depends how you define it.
penagate, would you have an upgrade for you to be able to do 100+ conscious operations sequentially yet simultaneously like a single chip computer can?
But a single chip single core CPU cannot do simultaneous operations.
Isn't this all a bit hypothetical?
imagine being able to play the piano, and write an operating system at the same time, switching between each task, never losing your place...
You can still count on hu mans to keep repeating the same debate over and over and over and over again.
isn't that always the case with unanswered questions though???Quote:
Originally Posted by grilkip
yes its hypothetical for hu mans anyway.
repeating it until...
There's another aspect that I randomly thought of talking with PG that hasn't shown up here yet... and it's the title of the thread itself.
The brain is organic. The ability to learn is quite literally the brain creating new pathways and dynamically changing the way it works. A computer's processor will always send information across the same pathways, regardless of the task involved. A computer cannot change itself physically to optimize for a specific purpose.
Further to timeshifter's point:
I think the gist of this thread is that you could argue forever.
How do you separate a brain from a computer? Well, for me, it's the ability to make decisions without using precoded logic; to alter our logic dynamically. For others, it might be emotions or the concept of a soul. In any case, you can counter this using the principle of intelligent design. Maybe we're just precoded to be able to alter our cognitive processes? However, logically, you then have to apply the same argument to the intelligent designer. If some omniscient being designed us, were they in turn designed by some superior being to be able to do so? You will end up arguing with yourself for eternity.
So, by my logic at least, it's not a valid debate.
course it can timeshifter you just need to write the code to reprogram itself based on a set of criteria.
Examples please.Quote:
Originally Posted by learning c
You don't really like this threadQuote:
Originally Posted by MartinLiss
do you? :p
not exaclty sure what you mean by that comment? maybe an example would clarify?Quote:
Originally Posted by penagate
did you want to extend the defintions at all and say why a computer couldn't have them?Quote:
For others, it might be emotions or the concept of a soul.
that's easy for a computer to do too.Quote:
In any case, you can counter this using the principle of intelligent design. Maybe we're just precoded to be able to alter our cognitive processes?
no no, you are just getting interesting on that point penagate.Quote:
However, logically, you then have to apply the same argument to the intelligent designer. If some omniscient being designed us, were they in turn designed by some superior being? You will end up arguing with yourself for eternity.
No and notice how my questions are never answered.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBigB
I don't recall saying anything about reprogramming. What I stated was the physical nature. The brain literally changes itself physically when it learns something new. A CPU is a CPU, and it will never be anything different unless an external force changes it. The brain changes itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by learning c
I think I need new drivers for my brain, have they released them yet??
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Originally Posted by learning c
Not really. You could write a program that alters its decision making process. However, a computer and a program that runs on a computer are not the same thing. Computers as they are constructed today aren't capable of altering their decision making processes; that is a physical impossibility.
As for the other points which you dodged, I think I've explained myself enough.
martin, did you want an answer, even manually you can make a pc do at least 5 tasks at the same time. then with a program you could shell lots of tasks.Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinLiss
ok, is that an advantage?Quote:
Originally Posted by timeshifter
i want an upgrade too!Quote:
Originally Posted by kleinma
It's how your brain learns a new task.. so yeah, I'd say so.Quote:
Originally Posted by learning c
Wonder how the CPU feels about it :bigyello:Quote:
Originally Posted by timeshifter
Well, seems like we're getting someplace since 5 is less than "hundreds". Please give me an example of 5 things you can do at the same time on a PC.Quote:
Originally Posted by learning c
ah ok, point taken, as in the computer being the hardware as distinct from the software. very wise distinction to make :thumb:Quote:
Originally Posted by penagate
glad to have dodged, happy to answer them if you aren't satisfied with the answer :)
be careful; not exactly simultaneouslyQuote:
Originally Posted by learning c
the cpu processes them after each other with the speed depending on your processor speed.
the only computers that can do 5 tasks simultaniously are the multi-core computers
Not unless you have 5 cores and control over which core does what.
:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by kleinma
how come the term CPU and PC are being exchanged quite often in this discussion???Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBigB
i can print a document, play a cd, run some audio engineering software, maybe a chat application and a software development application.Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinLiss
It's a common misconception. Many people think CPU is just a fancy way of saying PC... they don't know that the CPU is just one chip inside the PC...
OK, are you saying a PC can do things simultaneously, or a CPU? Because the former's true and the latter's not with the technical exception of multi-core CPUs. But the concept of threading only applies to CPUs.Quote:
Originally Posted by learning c