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Originally Posted by -TPM-
Only if you where onpening files form both drives at the same time (which is rarely).
But Hack did mention SQL...
And SQL - at least in a production environment - likes to have the DB on one drive and the LOG file on another drive - it's a SQL specific kind of scenario...
But I don't think that a development laptop needs that kind of dual drive setup - but wanted to mention it...
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Originally Posted by sevenhalo
I leave my laptop plugged in almost 24/7, but I leave it on my coffee table in my living room. Plus, if I need to take it to my office, I can unplug it and move it without worrying about shutting down (and also, it works on planes, etc etc).
You don't have to use the 2nd hard drive as a RAID. I don't see the point in setting up a RAID on a personal computer anyway (I backup externally and performance has never been an issue). The way I see it, RAID on a personal computer is basically throwing disk space away (IMO).
Not to mention, most laptop HD's are 5400 or 4800 RPM. The 100gig 7200 you recommended would be almost as damaging when it comes to power consumption.
I think this thread has come to the point where we all get to anxiously wait and leave it up to Hack. :)
I didn't say you HAVE to have RAID for a second drive, I said to see a decent performance increase. You also wouldn't be using ANY extra space if you where only using RAID 0 (technically not RAID but anyway..). I also don't belive 1 7200RPM drive will use anywhere near the same as 2 5200RPM's. Your right though Hack does need to decide for himself, I'm just trying to help him make an informed dissision :)
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You can also move the pagefile.sys to your secondary drive to relieve the stress off of the primary drive's head.
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Originally Posted by RobDog888
The OS on one drive and Programs/Data on the other. :D
Those wouldn't read at the same time though, the OS would read at bootup for the most part, and the programs after login.
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Not necessarly. If your running programs like VS or SQL Server, photoshop etc. Actually photoshop uses scratch disks that you can place on different drives to help imporve performance.
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Originally Posted by szlamany
But Hack did mention SQL...
And SQL - at least in a production environment - likes to have the DB on one drive and the LOG file on another drive - it's a SQL specific kind of scenario...
But I don't think that a development laptop needs that kind of dual drive setup - but wanted to mention it...
Is that for performance reasons though?
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Originally Posted by RobDog888
Not necessarly. If your running programs like VS or SQL Server, photoshop etc. Actually photoshop uses scratch disks that you can place on different drives to help imporve performance.
The scratch file would be used once the application has finished loading...
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And I didn't say you said you did! :)
Anyway, Good luck on your decision Hack. Whatever you do, don't listen to the sales reps. Entrust VBF for all of your life decisions; we know what's best for you. :thumb:
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Originally Posted by -TPM-
Is that for performance reasons though?
Yes - the SQL database engine has many threads running at the same time - initially data is written to the log file (write-ahead-logging) and other processes within the engine put it into the database during "low" moments (or whatever scheduled moments appear proper).
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Originally Posted by sevenhalo
And I didn't say you said you did! :)
Anyway, Good luck on your decision Hack. Whatever you do, don't listen to the sales reps. Entrust VBF for all of your life decisions; we know what's best for you. :thumb:
Sorry it seemed implied.. :blush:
I totally agree with the rest too :)
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Yes, same here as they only want to sell you what they need to sell you and not what you need/want.
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91 posts - and only a handful by Hack [edit-well 2 handfuls!]...
We are like little kids in a candy shop - mention a new toy and off we go :D
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Originally Posted by szlamany
91 posts - and only a handful by Hack [edit-well 2 handfuls!]...
We are like little kids in a candy shop - mention a new toy and off we go :D
Thank you for pointing that out. I would like to mention 3 things.
For the umptheenth time, I'm not a hardware guy. RAID to me is something that comes in a spray can and is used to kill bugs. Please refer to Post #70.
(LOL - I'll bet if I asked you guys what time it was, I would get the history of clocks and sundry other timepieces for an answer. :lol: )
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Where's the other two things? ;)
RAID is pretty simple really... It's just a hard drive configuration.
http://searchstorage.techtarget.com/...214332,00.html
That'll explain what each configuration does (I actually just bookmarked it, I didn't know what RAID was past 3).
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RobDog taught me what Raid-1 was this week - he had that fail...
We've got RAID-5 on our server - not sure what it does (6 drives doing xor-bit redundancy?)...
RAID-1 now makes a lot of sense to me - it's a mirror of your harddrive - so if it fails, you can simply keep running on the mirror. I've lost harddrives on my workstations in that past year or so - and wish I had RAID-1 (or norton clones - whatever)...
But on a laptop - can you really have two drives running RAID-1? Is that common?
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Originally Posted by sevenhalo
Where's the other two things? ;)
Hardware - raid - and 70...
Hack is a man of few words - respect them ;)
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Oh wow... I thought you were kidding, but there really was 3.
Enviroment.NewLine Hack, you'll love it :)
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Originally Posted by sevenhalo
Oh wow... I thought you were kidding, but there really was 3.
Enviroment.NewLine Hack, you'll love it :)
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Somehow I saw all his "puncuation marks" between the lines!
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Originally Posted by Hack
Thank you for pointing that out. I would like to mention 3 things.
For the umptheenth time, I'm not a hardware guy. RAID to me is something that comes in a spray can and is used to kill bugs. Please refer to Post #70.
(LOL - I'll bet if I asked you guys what time it was, I would get the history of clocks and sundry other timepieces for an answer. :lol: )
I only saw 2 things mentioned. :D
Not hardware guy and RAID.
?
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Originally Posted by szlamany
But on a laptop - can you really have two drives running RAID-1? Is that common?
I don't see why not, it'd be a compleate waste though... I could see maybe 1+0, then at least there maybe some speed increase. Although I pretty sure there's not hardware RAID for laptop's so you'd need to do software RAID (Software controls the splitting/mirroring of data) which would probably offset any IO (input/Output) gain.
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Originally Posted by RobDog888
I only saw 2 things mentioned. :D
Not hardware guy and RAID.
?
You forgot the "see post 70."
It's a point in itself :)
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But if thats a point then it has in itself about 8 points. so that makes 10 points and not 3 :D
Hack we need you to let us know what the third point was. :D
Sorry for the off topic posts. We Bad. :(
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10 > 3, pick the points you want :)
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Clearly this thread run its course so I think I will just toddle off and do some research on my own.
Thanks everyone. :)