[Resolved] National Health Service

yrwyddfa

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I think that it's unfair to suggest that anyone can achieve whatever they want to if they could only work harder, or think more positively. Perhaps they could achieve more, but their success would always be limited by what consitutes themselves as an individual.

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I didn't say that people could achieve anything, despite whatever physical or intellectual limitations they might have. I am objecting to your claim that our success is a mere function of these physical and intellectual limitations that we are born with.

I just feel you are overplaying the birthright contribution to success and underplaying individual flair, attitude and effort. Having a positive belief in yourself and your ability to affect your own destiny is possibly the key factor to succeeding in life.

If you accept that any success you might achieve is limited by physchological, or physiological characteristics an individual might have, then surely you also accept that, at the very least, success must be a partial function of these factors since that is what limits the maximum success?

A positive attitude will, of course, help to achieve the most an individual can achieve.

(Of course, success is clearly subjective, and I don't think that it is annealable to any form of metric or measurement ;) )

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Originally Posted by davebat

Yes, its called training.

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How can I train to throw a javelin if I have no arms?

Training is the aquisition of new skills or general improvement of existing skills. However training is limited by the individual's ability to learn, as yrywddfa points out

I have, on purpose, left out the concept of education, primarily because the jury's out on this one.

There have been cases where IQ has increased because of intellectual stimulus even in adults.

The most recent one is the guy who's on death row and who's been talking to his lawyers. He was not allowed to be executed because his IQ was under a certain threshold. Since his chats with his lawyers his IQ has apparently increased above the threshold so now he can be executed.

There is no scientifc consenus for the validity of IQ; in fact there are a lot people who deem it to be an invalid metric.

So, for now, intellectual capacity will have to do. Where I say intellectual capacity I mean the highest level of intellectualism an individual can achieve.

It is, therefore, not subject ot education.

(and before anyone digs up previous posts, I know I've used the term IQ somewhat loosely on this thread)

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Originally Posted by yrwyddfa

The most recent one is the guy who's on death row and who's been talking to his lawyers. He was not allowed to be executed because his IQ was under a certain threshold. Since his chats with his lawyers his IQ has apparently increased above the threshold so now he can be executed.

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:lol:
I wonder if the lawyer was being paid by the convict's wife (or should I now say widow?)

Can I therefore conclude this thread . . .

If you're bright enough, but nevertheless wealthy enough, you will get the best health care treatment in the world.

Otherwise, you will be subject to whatever it is that your government provides.

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Would agree on that assessment (although it doesn't relate to your intelligence, only your relative wealth) :thumb:

I'll call it resolved, then.