Animals and war

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Originally posted by Memnoch1207
Want to know why bombs were dropped on Nagasaki and Hiroshima? READ THIS

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From that site:

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In a radio speech to the nation on August 9, 1945, President Truman called Hiroshima "a military base." It seems likely, considering his July 25 diary entry, that he was not aware that Hiroshima was a city. Otherwise, he was being untruthful about the nature of the target

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This is the relevant part of the speech:

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The world will note that the first atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, a military base. That was because we wished in this first attack to avoid, insofar as possible, the killing of civilians

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Either Truman was misinformed or he was lying, as Bush lies.

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Either Truman was misinformed or he was lying, as Bush lies.

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I agree Truman was probably misinformed. And what exactly in your opinion has bush lied about?????

This war is against terrorism
The oil has nothing to do with it
Bin Laden is responsible for the attack to the twin towers
We will make a clean, surgical operation in Irak
We are not after the oil in Afghanistan, either
I am a nice boy

See this for further info on the oil topic:

http://www.vbforums.com/showthread.p...hreadid=238073

those aren't just opinions

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This war is against terrorism
The oil has nothing to do with it
Bin Laden is responsible for the attack to the twin towers
We will make a clean, surgical operation in Irak
We are not after the oil in Afghanistan, either
I am a nice boy

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This war isn't against terrorism, this war is against Saddams regime....The war against terrorism is in afganistan.

Tell me this...When the US had the oil shortage in the late '70's why didn't we just attack them then??? gas prices aren't that high right now ($1.39/gal) where i'm at. Saudi Arabia has increased its production to make up for any losses. Even if oil was part of it who cares...You show me someone who wants to spend $2.00+/gal for gas. Besides the UN is taking over the oil to accomadate the food for oil program to provide the iraqi people with food and medical supplies...meanwhile saddam was selling it to fatten his pockets.

Bin Laden was responsible for the terrorist attacks...show me some proof that says otherwise.

I would say that 99% accuracy is pretty damn good!

There was never any mention (in the press or otherwise) that what is going on in afganistan is about oil...quit basing your arguments on emotion and look at the facts!

He never said the either :)

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Originally posted by Memnoch1207
There was never any mention (in the press or otherwise) that what is going on in afganistan is about oil...quit basing your arguments on emotion and look at the facts!
He never said the either :)

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You can't be so ingenuous!

Please look at

http://members.localnet.com/~jeflan/jfafghanpipe.htm
http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/...es/05132524.htm
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jan2002/oil-j03.shtml
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/afghan.html
http://www.emperors-clothes.com/art...jared/oil-1.htm
http://www.prospect.org/print/V13/14/silverstein-k.html
http://www.worldpress.org/specials/pp/front.htm
http://www.zmag.org/tanteroil.htm
http://www.blueprint-magazine.de/oil/oil.html
http://www.brojon.com/frontpage/bj091701.html
http://www.atimes.com/c-asia/CK24Ag01.html
http://www.altavista.com/r?ck_sm=636...clifford2.html
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/no...afgh-n20.shtml

And the very best of all, "It is the oil, stupid!" by Joseph Clifford, an American boy: (he said "stupid", not me)
http://www.mediamonitors.net/josephclifford2.html

Need some more? Look at altavista! Are they all biased against USA? No, those are facts, my friend.

And take a look to an American publication: National Geographic, May 1999 (long before 9/11), the article on the Caspian Sea. America's eyes were on the oil long ago!

Pardon my ignorance, but I've never heard of Joseph Clifford before. Isn't that strange!

:p

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Originally posted by NotLKH
Pardon my ignorance, but I've never heard of Joseph Clifford before. Isn't that strange!
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LOL! :) ROFMAL! :D )

I never heard of NotLKH before! What does it prove?

Did you ever heard of Altavista.com? Or National Geographic Society?

your also talking about liberal media. There are also articles stating that it isn't about oil...It really just depends on the political beliefs of the people who own these companies publishing this stuff. For every article you point out that says it is about the oil...I can point out another that says it isn't.

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Originally posted by Memnoch1207
your also talking about liberal media. There are also articles stating that it isn't about oil...It really just depends on the political beliefs of the people who own these companies publishing this stuff. For every article you point out that says it is about the oil...I can point out another that says it isn't.

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But these are facts, my friend, the pipeline is under construction, and is UNOCAL who is doing it.
But I was told that:

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There was never any mention (in the press or otherwise) that what is going on in afganistan is about oil

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and I showed the very first 14 that appeared on Altavista. There are hundreds of them.

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Originally posted by Memnoch1207
6) Name the 74 countries!

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Sorry I can't. But I'll give you the 22 that you bombed since WW II

1-China 1945-46
2-Corea 1950-53
3-China 1950-53
4-Guatemala 1954
5-Indonesia 1958
6-Cuba 1959-60
7-Guatemala 1960
8-Congo 1964
9-Peru 1965
10-Laos 1964-73
11-Vietnam 1961-73
12-Camboya 1969-70
13-Guatemala 1967-69
14-Grenade 1983
15-Libia 1986
16-El Salvador 1980
17-Nicaragua 1980
18-Panama 1989
19-Irak 1991-99
20-Sudan 1998
21-Afghanistan 1998
22-Yugoslavia 1999

After the invasion, none of these countries got a democratic government. Isn't that strange?

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Originally posted by NotLKH
Pardon my ignorance, but I've never heard of Joseph Clifford before. Isn't that strange!
:p

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Yes, you are ignorant.

Have you ever heard of William Blum??? Take a look:

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Bl...liam_Blum.html

From that site, I recommend:

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fo...isy_WBlum.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Bl...pons_Iraq.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Bl...sHateAmer.html

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Originally posted by please
Sorry I can't. But I'll give you the 22 that you bombed since WW II

1-China 1945-46
2-Corea 1950-53
3-China 1950-53
4-Guatemala 1954
5-Indonesia 1958
6-Cuba 1959-60
7-Guatemala 1960
8-Congo 1964
9-Peru 1965
10-Laos 1964-73
11-Vietnam 1961-73
12-Camboya 1969-70
13-Guatemala 1967-69
14-Grenade 1983
15-Libia 1986
16-El Salvador 1980
17-Nicaragua 1980
18-Panama 1989
19-Irak 1991-99
20-Sudan 1998
21-Afghanistan 1998
22-Yugoslavia 1999

After the invasion, none of these countries got a democratic government. Isn't that strange?

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Err... China was never invaded by US troops, when was Indonesia invaded?

And they never tried to install democratic governements in those countries.
They did in Yugoslavia and Afghanistan in 2001? How did they go?

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Originally posted by please
Yes, you are ignorant.

Have you ever heard of William Blum??? Take a look:

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Bl...liam_Blum.html

From that site, I recommend:

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fo...isy_WBlum.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Bl...pons_Iraq.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Bl...sHateAmer.html

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What a bunch of left wing clap trap. Ive never read such distortions and such obvious misrepresentations in my entire life. I sure hope you are not buying all of this obviously slanted and politcally motivated garbage. If you are I really feel sorry for you.

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Originally posted by please
Sorry I can't. But I'll give you the 22 that you bombed since WW II

1-China 1945-46
2-Corea 1950-53
3-China 1950-53
4-Guatemala 1954
5-Indonesia 1958
6-Cuba 1959-60
7-Guatemala 1960
8-Congo 1964
9-Peru 1965
10-Laos 1964-73
11-Vietnam 1961-73
12-Camboya 1969-70
13-Guatemala 1967-69
14-Grenade 1983
15-Libia 1986
16-El Salvador 1980
17-Nicaragua 1980
18-Panama 1989
19-Irak 1991-99
20-Sudan 1998
21-Afghanistan 1998
22-Yugoslavia 1999

After the invasion, none of these countries got a democratic government. Isn't that strange?

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More classic misdirection. Keep going please!

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Originally posted by Pc_Madness
Err... China was never invaded by US troops, when was Indonesia invaded?

And they never tried to install democratic governements in those countries.
They did in Yugoslavia and Afghanistan in 2001? How did they go?

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Probably a movie that they made look like they did all the work, saved the world and made the wolrd a better place. :D

Only joking the yanks wouldn't do such a thing ;) :p

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Originally posted by Xanith
What a bunch of left wing clap trap. Ive never read such distortions and such obvious misrepresentations in my entire life. I sure hope you are not buying all of this obviously slanted and politcally motivated garbage. If you are I really feel sorry for you.
X

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Scrap? Clap trap? Chit Chat? Do you know who is Mr .William Blum?
Take a look:

http://www.speakersandartists.org/Pe...lliamBlum.html

from that site:

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William Blum left the U.S. State Department in 1967, abandoning his aspiration of becoming a Foreign Service Officer because of his opposition to what the United States was doing in Viet Nam. ......... Blum was honored with a 1998 Project Censored award for his "exemplary journalism"

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Originally posted by please
USA is using dolphins to find water mines.
USA is using chickens and pigeons to find poisonous gases and chemical weapons.
USA is uning monkeys to find ground mines.
What kind of animal is commanding this war?

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Dolphins do a really good job at finding them.... They can swim a little better then we can =P

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Originally posted by please
From that site:

This is the relevant part of the speech:

Either Truman was misinformed or he was lying, as Bush lies.

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I consider Truman to be one of the greatest presidents of all time and was very honest.

He was very correct to use the nuke on Japan. A lot less people died in the result of the nuke then what there would have been without it.

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Originally posted by please
Scrap? Clap trap? Chit Chat? Do you know who is Mr .William Blum?
Take a look:

http://www.speakersandartists.org/Pe...lliamBlum.html

from that site:

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LOL this guy left government service over 35 years ago. Talk about being out of the loop. So we are supposed to be impressed that he’s won some award from some unknown group? I'm sorry still not impressed here. Its obvious the slant all of his material has just by reading them. I would rather get my information from more balanced sources rather than the "lunatic fringe" that exists on both sides (left and right).

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