Plus the French aren't pleased because they had to import a load of Californian vines, or something like that.Quote:
Originally posted by SjR
I like Californian wine - in particular Blossom Hill.
Cheap and cheerful wine... but very nice :cool:
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Plus the French aren't pleased because they had to import a load of Californian vines, or something like that.Quote:
Originally posted by SjR
I like Californian wine - in particular Blossom Hill.
Cheap and cheerful wine... but very nice :cool:
Oooh
I can't wait 'till after the world cup when France eliminates England.
It'll be a barrage of insults and complaints :D
If you're so hell bent on bashing Americans, then get your facts straight. Every allie in every conflict has had friendly fire accidents as a result of other allies. It happens to Americans too. It's a tragedy when it happens, but you make mistakes too. Only you don't have 500 lb bombs to make them with, so yours are low profile.Quote:
Originally posted by simonm
Why is it never: "American soldiers killed by friendly fire from allies"?
Reminds me of that Simpson's episode when an American fighter jet misidentifies Grandpa (I think) as an iraqi fighter jet...
The term "friendly fire" originated (I believe) in VietNam...tho I
could be wrong. It means that you were killed by your own. In
many cases, the artillery was called in with the correct
coordinates... they just happened to be the coordinates that the
troops were in ... along with some number of Uncle Ho's finest.
In other cases, a map was read wrong or a stupid person gave
the wrong order. I was recently in Canada. I met many people
who were inalterably opposed to Canadians being in
Afghanistan... one was literally foaming at the mouth. I don't
believe any of them would think the incident was deliberate.
What's to say? I'm sorry means nothing. It won't happen again?
bphhhhhh! It could happen again tomorrow. It's war. They are
soldiers. **** happens.
Wally, you are about the snottiest person I have ever come across... seriously. You are the kind of person that perpetuates the negative stereotype other people have of the people in your country. Pretty much what you're trying to perpetuate about Americans. I've yet to read anything contructive by you. Just negative crap, left-handed remarks and put-downs.Quote:
Originally posted by Wally Pipp
There's going to be a wave of angry flag saluting gun touting USsies in here come 4 o' clock and the arguments will be the same as ever ("Who bailed you out in WWII", "If it weren't for us women would still be wearing burqas over there", "We have the biggest military and the best weapons", "STFU with your pathetic armies" and so on and so on ...)
Predictable really :rolleyes:
Anyway...
I don't agree with a lot of my country's way of doing business both domestic or abroad. If it were up to me, I'd let the rest of the world kill each other off. I think people will stand up for themselves when they're ready to. But some people are more humanitarian than I am.
So yeah... innocent people get killed by Americans sometimes. Occassionally there's the totally ****ed up American soldier who rapes and kills a 12 year old girl in a country we're there to protect. Americans don't condone it. American soldiers by and large do their job to the best of their ability and as professionally as they know how.
Do you ever stop to think how many lives we save compared to how many we take? Kosavars killing each other off in droves... Egypt and Israel? etc. etc.
If you want to address the particular people involved then do so and I'll shut up. But if you want to blanketly condemn my country then you better check your own behavior first.
What he said :)Quote:
Originally posted by DerFarm
The term "friendly fire" originated (I believe) in VietNam...tho I
could be wrong. It means that you were killed by your own. In
many cases, the artillery was called in with the correct
coordinates... they just happened to be the coordinates that the
troops were in ... along with some number of Uncle Ho's finest.
In other cases, a map was read wrong or a stupid person gave
the wrong order. I was recently in Canada. I met many people
who were inalterably opposed to Canadians being in
Afghanistan... one was literally foaming at the mouth. I don't
believe any of them would think the incident was deliberate.
What's to say? I'm sorry means nothing. It won't happen again?
bphhhhhh! It could happen again tomorrow. It's war. They are
soldiers. **** happens.
Soldiers know that they're in a dangerous situation, that's their job and that's what they're bloody good at. But everyone makes mistakes, and unfortunately their's are more serious; you just need to cut them a little slack :rolleyes:
Well Said!Quote:
Originally posted by DerFarm
The term "friendly fire" originated (I believe) in VietNam...tho I
could be wrong. It means that you were killed by your own. In
many cases, the artillery was called in with the correct
coordinates... they just happened to be the coordinates that the
troops were in ... along with some number of Uncle Ho's finest.
In other cases, a map was read wrong or a stupid person gave
the wrong order. I was recently in Canada. I met many people
who were inalterably opposed to Canadians being in
Afghanistan... one was literally foaming at the mouth. I don't
believe any of them would think the incident was deliberate.
What's to say? I'm sorry means nothing. It won't happen again?
bphhhhhh! It could happen again tomorrow. It's war. They are
soldiers. **** happens.
A: That is what it takes to win wars. Imagine only two members of a rugby team show up at a match wit no sense of agression wearing ballet slippers chanting we suck! Wanna bet on the winner of that game?Quote:
Originally posted by rjlohan
The only thing the US military has is supierior numbers, and superior technology. And of course, superior arrogance and aggression.
The US special forces (SEALS) are jokes, they (the US military) kill more of their own than the enemy does, and they (the US military) are cowards, as attested by every soldiers, on both sides in the Vietnam War.
B: I would highly reccomend that you never say that in person to a Navy SEAL . You would be safer wearing a pair of underpants made out of leg o lamb and teasing a pissed off pittbull. I remember after I got out of basic traning sitting in a bar where a group of rednecks(5 of em) said something similar to a SEAL. 2 broken arms, two broken legs broken ribbs, jaws and a bucket full of blood later the rednecks changed their mind. Those Aussie Special Forces soldiers must be some pretty hard core son of a bitches if they make the SEALS look like a joke.
C: Not that you Did but since I'm too lazy to make another post. NEVER EVER EVER EVER For the sake of your life ever say anything remotley related to the phrase "your a joke" to a british SAS soldier. I had the privlege to meet a few who were stateside training. The Biggest Badasses I have ever seen In my life. They were doing hand to hand combat stuff that made my jaw drop.
Like what, if you don't mind my asking, BG?Quote:
Originally posted by BG
They were doing hand to hand combat stuff that made my jaw drop.
A: Bollocks. And that's the whole point. It didn't work in Vietnam did it?Quote:
Originally posted by BG
A: That is what it takes to win wars. Imagine only two members of a rugby team show up at a match wit no sense of agression wearing ballet slippers chanting we suck! Wanna bet on the winner of that game?
B: I would highly reccomend that you never say that in person to a Navy SEAL . You would be safer wearing a pair of underpants made out of leg o lamb and teasing a pissed off pittbull. I remember after I got out of basic traning sitting in a bar where a group of rednecks(5 of em) said something similar to a SEAL. 2 broken arms, two broken legs broken ribbs, jaws and a bucket full of blood later the rednecks changed their mind. Those Aussie Special Forces soldiers must be some pretty hard core son of a bitches if they make the SEALS look like a joke.
C: Not that you Did but since I'm too lazy to make another post. NEVER EVER EVER EVER For the sake of your life ever say anything remotley related to the phrase "your a joke" to a british SAS soldier. I had the privlege to meet a few who were stateside training. The Biggest Badasses I have ever seen In my life. They were doing hand to hand combat stuff that made my jaw drop.
B: The SAS are tough bastards. Moreso than any other military unit. The British are the winners on that one... but the Aussie SAS are way up there too. The SEALS on the other hand, fall far behind. But I wouldn't say it to a SEAL... :p 'Cause I ain't SAS... but we're all sitting at our computers arguing, so who gives a crap really... :p Maybe in another life, I could have been SAS... ;)
C: Not a chance in hell. I respect the SAS. I'd never complain about them. Where did that come from, or did you just run out of arguments, and need to throw some random taunt in? :p
Look, the SEALS are no doubt a good military unit, but when you consider how much (some) Americans love to blow their own horns and claim to be the best, and then you hear the truth about many, many incidents, trivial or otherwise, you start to realise that they are pretty pathetic in comparison to most of the world's military. And that is a blanket statement that can be applied to much of the american military, unfortunately. This sort of thing, isn't the first of it's kind for the US military, far from it in fact. And when other countries (allies) military get killed because of morons in airplanes, it starts to piss people off. Fine, do it to yourselves, you can surely replace them, but the Canucks didn't come round to get blown up...
That SAS fighting is some cool ****... the only good bit about being in the army I reckon... :pQuote:
Originally posted by HarryW
Like what, if you don't mind my asking, BG?
Police and security guards get taught some of it, but nowhere near as lethal or effective. But damn, it's amazing to watch a small guy put another guy on the ground, struggling to breathe, and you never actually saw him move... :eek:
It's not the first time for any military. WWII is long over. Vietnam is long over. And anyone can make a blanket statement. Where are you getting your facts from? Did you serve in any of the U.S. Forces or are you just jumping on the bandwagon?Quote:
Originally posted by rjlohan
A: Bollocks. And that's the whole point. It didn't work in Vietnam did it?
B: The SAS are tough bastards. Moreso than any other military unit. The British are the winners on that one... but the Aussie SAS are way up there too. The SEALS on the other hand, fall far behind. But I wouldn't say it to a SEAL... :p 'Cause I ain't SAS... but we're all sitting at our computers arguing, so who gives a crap really... :p Maybe in another life, I could have been SAS... ;)
C: Not a chance in hell. I respect the SAS. I'd never complain about them. Where did that come from, or did you just run out of arguments, and need to throw some random taunt in? :p
Look, the SEALS are no doubt a good military unit, but when you consider how much (some) Americans love to blow their own horns and claim to be the best, and then you hear the truth about many, many incidents, trivial or otherwise, you start to realise that they are pretty pathetic in comparison to most of the world's military. And that is a blanket statement that can be applied to much of the american military, unfortunately. This sort of thing, isn't the first of it's kind for the US military, far from it in fact. And when other countries (allies) military get killed because of morons in airplanes, it starts to piss people off. Fine, do it to yourselves, you can surely replace them, but the Canucks didn't come round to get blown up...
Just jumping on the bandwagon... :pQuote:
Originally posted by cafeenman
It's not the first time for any military. WWII is long over. Vietnam is long over. And anyone can make a blanket statement. Where are you getting your facts from? Did you serve in any of the U.S. Forces or are you just jumping on the bandwagon?
I'm an Aussie, so I've never and never will serve US forces... :)
No, actually, I've heard many stories, from many places. And it bothers me. Really, it's just the way I have to hear about it all the bloody time. Every 2/3 movies these days is some hero bull**** about the US military... christ, last month it was some tripe about hero bull**** in a military prison... :rolleyes: And that's just one aspect of it. It's the blatantly misplaced arrogance that annoys me. My 'facts' are simply stories from people who fought in Vietnam, who are currently in the military, who were in the military, interviews and stories in magazines and newspapers and stuff. And then you get ridiculous crap about how US saved the world in WWII and all these tiny little things add up to a bigger thing, and I develop a biased opinion... :D
OK, you have my word that I'll never spout bull**** about how we saved anyone's ass in WWII. I agree that it's bull****.
I also agree that action movies are bull****. They're mindless entertainment, but when Bruce Willis can run non-stop for 18 hours with glass in his feet, take out all the bad guys and stop to make jokes without ever reaching muscle failure, well... it's good for what it is.
Seriously... there are a lot of things I truly hate about the U.S. I don't want to fuel this though, so I'm keeping that part separate. But I think two things are happening.
1) The world hates America. I don't know why. I wish we could fix it. When we screw up, everyone jumps on us. Our country is not given the least bit of slack for making mistakes. It's like as big and powerful as we are, we're expected to be perfect. I can't even imaging trying to run this country.
2) I don't know how many accidents we have per capita as other countries. But they do happen in other countries and they manage to stay lower profile. In a way, I think American media is so sensationalistic, they actually screw us more than anyone else in this respect.
But I really do feel empathy for the people that died. I never lost anyone close to me in the military, but I did know people who died and attended several funerals. It's not good. But I don't think fueling anomosity between countries helps. If anything, we (the world) needs to stop doing that and try to come up with mutually beneficial solutions. Hate only makes things worse. I understand the anger and don't have an issue with that. I just have an issue with comments like "That's the way America is." Because that simply isn't true.
Harry,
The really cool stuff were the counter throws. One of them bet a guy in my platoon that he couldn't land a punch on him. The guy proceded to counter everything the guy in my platoon threw at him. Had the SAS guy been serious he could have ripped the man's arms off or snapped his back or neck in two. It was amazing to see how well he could leverage another persons momentum and send him flying without breaking a sweat.
RJ,
A: Vietnam is a bad example, If the politicians would have comitted the sufficient ammount of resources, vietnam woud be a pothole on a map right now. Very bad example.
B: Agreed
C: Read what I started C with. I didn't want to make another post but I wanted to share a story that I thought was interesting.
And as far as any one being pissed at the American Military about the canucks gettin blasted, You do not know what happened! Mabe the Canadian in charge forgot to let the Airforce know they were gonna be there. Mabe the pilot heard about the Rush Reunion Tour coming up this summer. Mabe a stray Rocket came at the F-16 Rockets do mess up sometimes. It is a war **** happens no matter how hard you practice and plan. It's impossible for everything to go smoothly there are too many variables involved. Imagin how that pilot is feeling right now. Probably like 64 flavors of ******* right now.
Yeah, I am sure it's gonna be effective, but I'm just wondering what kind of style(s) it is. I've seen some pretty cool, fast and effective-looking recorded stuff from various styles (like this) and I'm just wondering what kind of approach special forces favour.Quote:
Originally posted by rjlohan
That SAS fighting is some cool ****... the only good bit about being in the army I reckon... :p
Police and security guards get taught some of it, but nowhere near as lethal or effective. But damn, it's amazing to watch a small guy put another guy on the ground, struggling to breathe, and you never actually saw him move... :eek:
Is that video ShaioL lin Gung Foo. Looks a bit like it. Some hardcore stuff.
I dont know what style of fighting they were using Probably a mix of a bunch of different styles. They might have said but that was 10 years ago, I can't remember.
Furry muff BG. The vid is Wing Tsun, a particular style of Wing Chun Kung Fu that is promoted by a particular family of organisations across the globe. Wing Chun is a style with a lot of internal politics between practitioners and lineages, and Wing Tsun is no exception, so you really have to take stuff like that vid with a pinch of salt, cos it's basically propaganda ;) But still, it's pretty good stuff that they teach. I practice Wing Chun, but not the Wing Tsun kind (not that there's much difference), which is why I knew the link for that video :)
I can't get it to open for some reason. Just get the image of a missing image. I saved it (13+ MB) to my hard drive, but media player says it's an invalid media type.
it says it's 8.66MB when I start downloading itQuote:
Originally posted by cafeenman
I saved it (13+ MB) to my hard drive, but media player says it's an invalid media type.
Me too... 1/2 way there now... :pQuote:
Originally posted by chrisjk
it says it's 8.66MB when I start downloading it
OK, I got it. First time I tried to open the link and it just opened a new IE and hung. This time I right clicked and saved. Took a couple minutes to download. Those guys don't mess around.
That **** is cool... hmmm... I should try that... it's exactly how I fight, although I'm obviously not as cool, but I always prefer the forearm to a fist, as that bloke apparently does... :p
And I always love wrestling my opponent into a point of submission... I guess it's a power thing. Plus I can take a fair beating OK, so I've never suffered much from a few punches to the head, whilst I'm grappling to get someone in a headlock... ;) :D Gotta love a tick skull... :p
I know for a fact that there are several Wing Chun schools (and plenty of other styles too) in Sydney. If you want any info just go ask here.
What is your SN there?
Axiom. I don't often have anything to say though, since I'm not any kind of expert.
A very good family friend is the longest serving SAS member in Australia... and the only person ever in the Regiment to go from
non commissioned soldier to officer.... he is the flocking toughest
person I have ever known, he can sneak up on you at any time
and you seriously have no idea that there is anyone else around.
Whilst he was staying with me once doing a training course in
Sydney he broke his arm playing rugby and he didn't do anything
about it for 3 days... those guys are amazing, they can seriously
kill you with bearly moving.
No ****, hey? How long has he been in? I heard a story once from an army comms bloke, about a SAS soldier on a bus to Singleton in his fatigues, and all these ******s on the bus were giving him **** for the whole trip. Trying to pick a fight with him and what not, and he just sat there, stared straight ahead and didn't say a word. When it came to his stop, he got up, put on his SAS beret, so that everyone could see the insignia, and that alone shut everyone up. :pQuote:
Originally posted by DragonFly
A very good family friend is the longest serving SAS member in Australia... and the only person ever in the Regiment to go from
non commissioned soldier to officer.... he is the flocking toughest
person I have ever known, he can sneak up on you at any time
and you seriously have no idea that there is anyone else around.
Whilst he was staying with me once doing a training course in
Sydney he broke his arm playing rugby and he didn't do anything
about it for 3 days... those guys are amazing, they can seriously
kill you with bearly moving.
Quote:
Originally posted by rjlohan
No ****, hey? How long has he been in? I heard a story once from an army comms bloke, about a SAS soldier on a bus to Singleton in his fatigues, and all these ******s on the bus were giving him **** for the whole trip. Trying to pick a fight with him and what not, and he just sat there, stared straight ahead and didn't say a word. When it came to his stop, he got up, put on his SAS beret, so that everyone could see the insignia, and that alone shut everyone up. :p
LOL... yeah that's pretty cool..
My friend has been with the regiment for 18years!!!!!
and he is still on "active duty" not desk bound or anything... he is
also the fittest person I have ever known... a real hard man;)
Is very tough on their families though, they are not allowed to know anything...they can just disappear for months without a word, except that they are on duty... would be a hard life for the
loved ones.
Nice video... I'm doing stuff similar to that, which I have almost mastered. It focuses on pressure points and pain rather than taking the opponent down, but attacks are part of the training.
Yeah... that's why I never signed up... ;)Quote:
Originally posted by DragonFly
Is very tough on their families though, they are not allowed to know anything...they can just disappear for months without a word, except that they are on duty... would be a hard life for the
loved ones.
I reckon I'd have made a good SAS in another life... :p
Thank you for defining me so precise. I've laid out my precise views on US foreign policies and I think you'll find me one of the sensible people when I want to be. And for the most part they are concurrent to yours.Quote:
Originally posted by cafeenman
Wally, you are about the snottiest person I have ever come across... seriously. You are the kind of person that perpetuates the negative stereotype other people have of the people in your country. Pretty much what you're trying to perpetuate about Americans. I've yet to read anything contructive by you. Just negative crap, left-handed remarks and put-downs.
Anyway...
I don't agree with a lot of my country's way of doing business both domestic or abroad. If it were up to me, I'd let the rest of the world kill each other off. I think people will stand up for themselves when they're ready to. But some people are more humanitarian than I am.
So yeah... innocent people get killed by Americans sometimes. Occassionally there's the totally ****ed up American soldier who rapes and kills a 12 year old girl in a country we're there to protect. Americans don't condone it. American soldiers by and large do their job to the best of their ability and as professionally as they know how.
Do you ever stop to think how many lives we save compared to how many we take? Kosavars killing each other off in droves... Egypt and Israel? etc. etc.
If you want to address the particular people involved then do so and I'll shut up. But if you want to blanketly condemn my country then you better check your own behavior first.
But you know best right ? You know where I live and you lump me together with an entire contingent of reactionary pigs.
You don't know anything about me.
The reason I said that was because I've seen it happen before here on these forums and many others. Some non-american with a full frontal attack on the US policies and some hours later selfrighteous idiots going on the counterattack with exactly those arguments.
It gets tiresome to read them all over again and that's why I mock them.
I never said that all Americans are like that. Perhaps you should read some more comments of mine on the matter before judging me.
I disagree with American foreign policy not America itself.
Accidents like these indeed do happen but should be avoided in any case. The American citizens themselves are not to blame.
Unless this is some elaborate piss take I suggest that you think and read up before judging me.
And, oh yes, drop the "Them-or-Us" attitude if you please ...
Yours sincerely,
(could've said "piss off" but anyway)
Cafeenman - Just out of interest, where do you think Wally comes from?Quote:
Originally posted by cafeenman
Wally, you are about the snottiest person I have ever come across... seriously. You are the kind of person that perpetuates the negative stereotype other people have of the people in your country.
That was a truly frightening experience. :eek:Quote:
I'm curious too :)Quote:
Originally posted by InvisibleDuncan
Cafeenman - Just out of interest, where do you think Wally comes from?
SurfDemon
That's the funny thing. When you go to a French restaurant abroad (from france), it's really expensive and you get tiny portions. However, go to restaurants in France and it's completely the opposite. Generous portions and good value for money (probably not the same in Paris but it was in Brittany).Quote:
French cuisine may be very nice, but I hate the poofy french restaraunts where they give you tiny portions at exhorbarant prices. The wife and I went to one a few years back and we got two small potatos each and two slices of meat and a few steamed veg for about 50 quid + wine.
InvisibleDuncan
Food is VERY important to me. I just wish everybody had as much reverence for it as I do (and I'm not saying you don't, I'm talking about the people who eat junk food all day long).Quote:
Simon, it's just food, for God's sake. Calm down.
Simon, I agree with you. Not all french restaurant have such stuck-up service but the food itself is exquisite.
Furthermore, I think that our cuisine is, although very similar to the French, one of the best. ;)
We're food lovers, we take several courses and several hours to complete dinner. And it's not the run-off-the-mill stuff-your-face-ast-fast-as-you-can but it's a social event : talk things over, have a nice night out, enjoy your dinner.
Who cares if it takes hours to finish ? As long as the quality is excellent the waiting is of no consequence :D
Joie de vivre they call it
Do you mean Belgiun food? I can't say I've ever had it but I look forward to trying it one day.Quote:
Furthermore, I think that our cuisine is, although very similar to the French, one of the best.
Yup and it comes in large plates.
Example ? We had dinner in a small restaurant in Tervuren (near Brussels). It was cheap and plentyfull. For only 85 € we had asparagus soup, entrecôte which was 25 cm long and about 6 cm wide (:D), vegetables were free of charge, fries as much as we wanted, bottle of house wine, dessert and some whiskey to round it all off.
Sat there for 4 hours. Couldn't move afterwards :D
Let's see if you can drop any bigger hints to help Cafeenman answer my question. Hopefully the original spelling will throw him off the scent. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by simonm
Do you mean Belgiun food?