wicked, it is only da one verse.
I fought it wuld be like an 'ole 'im or somefing
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wicked, it is only da one verse.
I fought it wuld be like an 'ole 'im or somefing
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Nope..that's it.
What ??? You have to recite a pledge before WORK ??Quote:
Originally posted by mastermind94
Yeah yeah yeah, i'm Canadian and America bought us for our techonogy and knowledge about electronic manufacturing so, i had to move downthere. Every morning, we have to stand up, look at the damn piece of clothe and pledge which a bunch of words and are mostly lies and stuff. What this do it cleaning children's brains so, when they'll grow up, they will say that the US is the better country and the world, bringning peace everywhere and the better one to life in, the only one with god etc... In my opinion this is just bull****. Be prund to be in UK or Australia or Canada or Russia cause, you guys have what we call a great standard of living.
I think your full of **** on this one. I've never heard anything like that in a workplace except for Japanese subsidaries having morning excercises. Even then, I believe the Unions complained and won. If I was expected to do that, I'd seek out a lawyer and get a nice payoff to go away.
Russia ??? The others I can understand, but RUSSIA ??!!
:confused:
Wow! I've had to work all day, so haven't had a chance to drop into this thread much. I'm impressed, it almost made it off the first page without being dragged into the gutter. That must be a record.
I am interested in peoples views on this as it did seem a tad narrow-minded. Not to worry, I knew you guys would be a hell of a lot more enlightened.
The Star wars system did come up in the conversation, but his view was that nobody will worry about it, as it's only to defend themselves. When one of my mates pointed out that maybe this would start a new arms race as people built up reserves to overwhelm the system in event of them going to war with America, he seemed stunned that anyone would feel threatened by America having this shield (and retaining their nuclear strike capability). It really is scary.
I'm glad he's not indicitive of the rest of his country. You know, you should have the USA immigration checking people trying to leave the country. Guys like him should be refused an exit visa as they give the whole country a really bad name abroad:D
Mind you, I also think they should forcebly ship all the really hot women up to Calgary, so it shows you what I know!!
SD
Let's face it....having the kids recite the pledge every morning has as much brain washing ability as me telling my kids to put their towels in the hamper every morning.
that last line is obviously ignored by the american government :DQuote:
Originally posted by barrk
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America
and to the Republic for which it stands,
One nation, under God,
Indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
i havent read the whole thread, but i read SDs first post, and let me say...
that is typical of american arrogance, they (MOST of the population) think that they are the greatest nation in the world and no one can touch them (that first statement is probably true, but thats irrekavant)
and did you notice that international terrorism didnt really exist until the USA got attacked :rolleyes: terrorism has been around for years, now that the USA has been attacked the whole world must act or die :mad:
if i was made 2 recite a pledge, i would stand up and salute the flag with my middle finger and recite the following...
**** you i wont do what you tell me
**** you i wont do what you tell me
**** you i wont do what you tell me
**** YOU I WONT DO WHAT YOU TELL ME!!
(--"killing in the name"--rage against the machine)
its as simple as that, being patriotic is one thing, being arrogant is another
do yous go on picnic's every day, aiiii?Quote:
Originally posted by barrk
me telling my kids to put their towels in the hamper every morning.
Not being an American, ghost, I fail to see how you would have any valid notion as to whether our country can be indivisible (they have failed to divide us yet) or have freedom and justice for all Americans. We don't ask non-Americans to say the pledge or believe in our country so you don't have to worry about saluting our flag or saying the pledge....I know that will come as a great relief.:rolleyes:
yous 'as got a point der me main man ghost ryderQuote:
Originally posted by ghost ryder
and did you notice that international terrorism didnt really exist until the USA got attacked :rolleyes: terrorism has been around for years, now that the USA has been attacked the whole world must act or die :mad:
Quote:
Originally posted by Ali G
do yous go on picnic's every day, aiiii?
:confused:
Damn, you wouldn't want to have a stutter trying to say a word like indivisible would you?
As for your kids stuffing trowels into hamsters, I'm right with you there. Annoying little rodent things that they are! :D
SD
I wish I could go on picnics every day :)
*swishhhh*. You're wish is granted. If you go buy a sandwhich, you can now go on a picnic every day Pix!
What do you want for the next two wishes?
SD
Woo hoo picnics every day :)
And I get two more wishes :)
Didn't know you were a genie SD
e.g. somefink yous use to go on da picnicQuote:
hamper \Ham"per\, n. [Contr. fr. hanaper.] A large basket, usually with a cover, used for the packing and carrying of articles; as, a hamper of wine; a clothes hamper; an oyster hamper, which contains two bushels.
Well, not so much a Genie, more of a demon really. Er, that'll be one immortal soul thanks very much. Do you need a receipt?
SD
I see hamper = picnic basket..........as in the immortal words of Yogi the Bear, "Hey, Boo Boo, there's a platypus in my pic-a-nic basket!:)Quote:
a clothes hamper
You're gonna take my soul :eek:
aiiii!Quote:
Originally posted by barrk
I see hamper = picnic basket..........as in the immortal words of Yogi the Bear, "Hey, Boo Boo, there's a platypus in my pic-a-nic basket!:)
but yous go on picnics wiv da towels :confused:
Quote:
Originally posted by barrk
Not being an American, ghost, I fail to see how you would have any valid notion as to whether our country can be indivisible (they have failed to divide us yet) or have freedom and justice for all Americans. We don't ask non-Americans to say the pledge or believe in our country so you don't have to worry about saluting our flag or saying the pledge....I know that will come as a great relief.:rolleyes:
nooooo, what i meant was if "i was an american" but i typed "if i was made to" d'oh!!
coz if i was an american i would be made 2, and thats bull**** :)
and as for that freedom and justice for all americans thing, hmmm, that dont really apply if you are black or any other minority with coloured skin (muslim, sikh) AND dont have wealth does it now?? if you have money though, your safe
and ali g, i know i have a point, its just people tend 2 ignore my point, coz it goes against "uncle sam"
A very good friend of mine who is Black , Muslim and was poor (3 strikes) is now the richest man I know because of the money he made from a Federal Grant he got because he was Black, Muslim and poor. Go figure?Quote:
Originally posted by ghost ryder
.....and as for that freedom and justice for all americans thing, hmmm, that dont really apply if you are black or any other minority with coloured skin (muslim, sikh) AND dont have wealth does it now?? if you have money though, your safe
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and as for that freedom and justice for all americans thing, hmmm, that dont really apply if you are black or any other minority with coloured skin (muslim, sikh) AND dont have wealth does it now?? if you have money though, your safe
According to our constitution and laws of the land...it applies to everyone regardless of religion or race or sex......like any other right given to a group of people it gets flawed and perverted but the law is clear whether you choose to acknowlege it or not.
I claim no religion, I am a woman and I'm definitely not rich. Are you saying that I have no chance for liberty or justice??
You are very prejudiced in the majority of your statements......and arrogant too. The very crimes you are accusing me of committing.
huh?? im not accuing u of anything
and u may not be rich, but u r not poor, u have managed to raise three kids, so u must be fairly well off
and anyways, the law says equal rights, but its not observed
when america was founded, the ideas were perfect, and for the most part they remian intact, but certain laws had to be fought for, and racism is still a MAJOR factor in the US government, uncle sam is inherently a racist, maybe the people in power are not.
u cannot denie that despite these great ideals, america is opressive to minorities, well except the ******s and the jews, they r like gods over there, i mean, a gay jew is untouchable
racism is rife, why do u think police practice racial profiling (oh they deny it, but it goes on) and what about those police officers in philly who shot those black teenagers for no ****ing reason, they ruined their careers (basketball), and for what??
and dont think england is perfect, oooh no, aside from the northern racism situation, we have racist thugs playing in our premier league, if lee bowyer and john woodgate had beaten a white kid like they did sarfraz najeeb, they would be in jail, but they beat up and asian kid, and they are two white "role models" (i use that term loosley) so they will get off the charges and go on to earn millions
they should rot in hell, stupid mutha****az
i aint contributin 2 no divide, im speakin the truth, wether u accept it or not, that is up 2 u
i should have made it a bit clearer though...
the MAJORITY of white people in that area are racist
and
the MAJORITY of asian people in that area are opressed
there are whites who think what happened is wrong, but the problem with that case is we are dealing with something more powerful than race or religion, we r dealing with football (said aint it)
and these footballers are good (well, bowyer is) and if leeds lost them it would make the team worse, so the PUBLIC doesnt want them convicted, so the national feeling is towards acquital
i (and anyone with any morals) wants those ****ers behind bars where they belong, i would want that if they attacked a white boy, a black boy, a chinese boy, an aussie, a brazilian, or even a gambian midget
the FA want racism out of football, well they should start by kicking those pillocks out
I don't believe the majority of whites in that area are racist, or that the majority of asians there are oppressed. I think there's a bit of a victimisation complex going on there.
Public feeling doesn't matter. The judicial system doesn't work like that. Just look at OJ Simpson - everybody seemed to think he was guilty but he was acquitted. That was probably the most publicised court case ever, with the most public opinion involved, and the result went against it. Whether that was right I wrong I couldn't tell you.
As to your 'speaking the truth', well, the truth is a subjective issue. What you call truth may not in my opinion be true. It's not a matter of me 'accepting' your truth, I will make up my own mind and if that conflicts with your opinion that doesn't mean I'm wrong. We could bring Bayesian statistics into this, in which case my disagreeing with you would sort of make you less right, but that's a bit heavy for this conversation :)
two wordsQuote:
Originally posted by HarryW
Just look at OJ Simpson - everybody seemed to think he was guilty but he was acquitted. That was probably the most publicised court case ever, with the most public opinion involved, and the result went against it. Whether that was right I wrong I couldn't tell you.
johnny cochrane
yes that would be just a tad heavy!! lolQuote:
As to your 'speaking the truth', well, the truth is a subjective issue. What you call truth may not in my opinion be true. It's not a matter of me 'accepting' your truth, I will make up my own mind and if that conflicts with your opinion that doesn't mean I'm wrong. We could bring Bayesian statistics into this, in which case my disagreeing with you would sort of make you less right, but that's a bit heavy for this conversation :)
I'll settle for a chip-butty. (And before any of you Ozzie's think of something smutty to say about it, it's just chips and bread and butter.... nothing sexual :D)Quote:
Originally posted by Pix
You're gonna take my soul :eek:
SD
As for ghosty's take on British Racism. Yeah it exists. No it aint as rife as you make out. Because certain people get on the news with their beliefs - you cannot taint everyone with the same brush - that in itself is racism.
What if I turned around and made a statement such as "Most of the blacks in Glasgow are criminals." You would rightly think me a racist to say such a thing. Therefore, how can you make a general statement about the whites in Leeds? Face it, yes there are racists out there. They are in the minority. I know loads of folk in Britain. Very few of them are racists, and good chunk of the ones who are racist are black or asian. Go figure?
I'm sure the same goes for America. You have 350,000,000 people living there. Of course some of them will be racist, and these are the one's you hear about. I'm sure the vast majority of the population don't give a fig about what colour someone is.
SD
Come to think of it, by far the most racist guy I know is a Nigerian guy. He says all kinds of crazy things, totally generalising about whites based on his negative experiences with a few of them. I actually tell him he's the most racist guy I've ever met, and he just says "really? wow, that's very interesting." That's it :rolleyes:
Damn hes catching on :(Quote:
Originally posted by SurfDemon
I'll settle for a chip-butty. (And before any of you Ozzie's think of something smutty to say about it, it's just chips and bread and butter.... nothing sexual :D)
SD
Ah suh thut yuh unduhstud but ah wull trunslut fur unny uthur kuwus. SurfDummun sud ah'll suttul fur uh chup butty.. wuth nuh fush ah guthuh. Ah thunk he us tryung tuh gut untuh Pux :D :DQuote:
Originally posted by rudvs2
Damn hes catching on :(
Hey thanks beach first time I have understood one of your posts keep up the public service mate :DQuote:
Originally posted by beachbum
Ah suh thut yuh unduhstud but ah wull trunslut fur unny uthur kuwus. SurfDummun sud ah'll suttul fur uh chup butty.. wuth nuh fush ah guthuh. Ah thunk he us tryung tuh gut untuh Pux :D :D
Ghost Ryder
I've never seen anywhere in Britain with so many violent and racist asians as I have done in Bradford and Leeds. They are frequently attacking white people in the streets and are doing their own fair share to fuel racist tensions as anyone.Quote:
the MAJORITY of white people in that area are racist
and
the MAJORITY of asian people in that area are opressed
I've never known so many white people who weren't previously racist who moved up there and became racist after experiencing the behaviour of asian people towards them.
I sometimes think you are living in a movie inside you head. :rolleyes:
What about Judaism?Quote:
Originally posted by simonm
OK, I may be over simplifying here, but I believe my point remains largely valid.
Perhaps instead of saying east & west, I should have said the "Christian" world and the "Islamic" world.
He did say he was simplifying.
Probably a more accurate split would be infidels and non-infidels, where the infidels are those who don't agree with the Taleban regime or Bin Laden's methods.
All,
Try living in Oldham for 20 years. Now there's a view of racism.
And Ghost Ryder, you have got such a biased opinion it's ridiculous!
yeah asians are racist, of course they are, what do you expect, they have grown up with constant racist insults flying their way, paki, coone and a whole host of others im not gonna mention here. so of course they develop a racist attitude to white people, coz growing up MOST white people treated them like ****, coz they were different, its sad reallyQuote:
Originally posted by simonm
Ghost Ryder
I've never seen anywhere in Britain with so many violent and racist asians as I have done in Bradford and Leeds. They are frequently attacking white people in the streets and are doing their own fair share to fuel racist tensions as anyone.
I've never known so many white people who weren't previously racist who moved up there and became racist after experiencing the behaviour of asian people towards them.
I sometimes think you are living in a movie inside you head. :rolleyes:
when you grow up opressed by someone or some people, then you grow up to resent those people, just like the people in afghanistan have a racist attitude towards americans
neither is a fair view, but when u get treated like ****, you treat all of the opressors like ****, which makes you almost as bad as those who opress you
and its odd, asians have been gettin stabbed for years, but when a white pensioner got stabbed by some asians ****wits, the whole nation got all pissed
Ghost Ryder
I think your idea of oppressed is different from mine. I'm not saying they haven't suffered from racial discrimination and abuse from some people but that doesn't qualify as oppression in my book. Perhaps you should go and look at the way the Taliban treats it's people for a real idea of what oppression is like.Quote:
when you grow up opressed by someone or some people, then you grow up to resent those people
And I think the attitude of some Asians has always been racist since they first emergrated here and is not just a response to racism against them.
well in a democracy that kind of opression should never occur, so the opression that they undergo is the worst kind of opression that they will face, they are treated like ****
of course the taleban and russia and commie vietnam treat people, but thats a communist regime, or a dictatorship thingy
u have no idea what they go through in leeds, i have <i>some</i> idea, im asian, ive been through insults, but nuthin on the scale they have had it
Look, I think any racial descrimination and abuse is completely unacceptable I'm just saying that calling it "Oppression" is taking it too far.Quote:
well in a democracy that kind of opression should never occur, so the opression that they undergo is the worst kind of opression that they will face, they are treated like ****
Well, I have experience of Bradford (and I know others who have) and living somewhere like that is enough to turn many non-racist white people into racists. The behaviour amoung the worst aspects of the Asian community in Bradford is inflamatory and contributing as much towards racial tensions as is the worst elelments of ethnically english people.Quote:
u have no idea what they go through in leeds, i have <i>some</i> idea, im asian, ive been through insults, but nuthin on the scale they have had it
Next you're going to be arguing that the Asians are just freedom fighters trying to shrug off the yolk of imperial agression. I have heard of some people arguing for a seperate Islamic state within the UK. These people in my mind are just as bad as their counterparts in the NF.