That's good, and it would also be a wise decision to bring a tazer.
(The Panty Shanty is rough, you'll find out when you get there ;))
:D
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That's good, and it would also be a wise decision to bring a tazer.
(The Panty Shanty is rough, you'll find out when you get there ;))
:D
Hope u arent planning to get us disciples drunk and then rob us of every spare coinage we have in our pockets!! hmmm... I thiink I want to check out this Panty shanty for myself before the great day... purely for research pusposes u understand... :D
;) Understood.
Just tell the bouncer that you know the guy who did all the nipples in the place, and you won't get hassled.
:)
nope, nobody said you had to believe anything.. sure, you can dismiss all of our views... that's fine...
hmm who knows.... can try at least can't we? missing something? sure... god... that's part of what i believe in, is telling others and sharing god's word... if you don't want to hear it, don't listen... but you people are the ones missing out..Quote:
I doubt that anyone's opinions on the merits of religion or lack thereof are going to be changed by posts in this forum and so maybe we should all learn not to try to force our preachings on others.
all i can do is pray for you and hope that in some way you are shown god's grace and will someday believe in him, and accept the lord, jesus christ into your heart.... :)
how dare you try to bring this thread back on track when we're trying to talk about nudie bars!!!!! :mad::mad::mad::mad:
:p:D
YEAH WHAT HE SAID!! :p
Redth, look I really dont care what religious people think. It means nothing to me. If they dont bother me then i dont bother them. But if ppl like j4u start preaching in here of all places then they are open to any inane replies we can think of. Anyway, I prefer crpthcttacpalrbacalades religion cos he has beer!! :D
Crpghathapghartlglahlarhelade, I hope that none of those women in that place will be hassling me and weakening my resolve to conduct pure research in that establishment from the downstairs part of the building!! :p
How are we "forcing our preachings on others"? I fail to understand this point. It's been said before, too, that we're forcing our beliefs, etc on others when we discuss religion or make religious threads. I fail to see how it forces anything on anyone.Quote:
Originally posted by beachbum
... so maybe we should all learn not to try to force our preachings on others.
The way the forum works is you see different threads on different topics. Using the title of the thread, you can (usually) tell what is discussed in there. Reading what is presented in the thread is completely voluntary. So where does forcing beliefs come into the picture?
Redth
I feel the need to ask you whether you believe Jesus is God or not, since that is what me and jesus4u were talking about.
Ps Redth how dare u say u can pray for me so that i can learn etc. That is the sort of patronising crap that so many of us devout atheists detest. I am praying to crptchallhachhaablade that u learn and see the light at the Panty Shanty. Equally ridiculous???
Tygur
J4u actually admitted to trying to sway ppl in a prev thread and redth as much as admits it here too. I of course know that it isnt forcing in the way of twisting my arm etc. But it gets so annoying and is basically spam that few want to hear; and i guess that even if people did want to hear they wouldnt be looking to a vb forum for the source of information. I ask you then what u think j4u and redth's purpose is for posting such things if not to get feedback or to impose on others?
Also, Tygur, you are a religious person but never once have i seen a 'preaching' thread by you. I guess you know that it is not really relevant or appropriate in this place. Dont get me wrong.. i do respect your right to believe but equally i expect a similar right not to believe.
:)
Regards
Stuart
Nicely put Beachbum!!Quote:
Originally posted by beachbum
Tygur
J4u actually admitted to trying to sway ppl in a prev thread and redth as much as admits it here too. I of course know that it isnt forcing in the way of twisting my arm etc. But it gets so annoying and is basically spam that few want to hear; and i guess that even if people did want to hear they wouldnt be looking to a vb forum for the source of information. I ask you then what u think j4u and redth's purpose is for posting such things if not to get feedback or to impose on others?
Also, Tygur, you are a religious person but never once have i seen a 'preaching' thread by you. I guess you know that it is not really relevant or appropriate in this place. Dont get me wrong.. i do respect your right to believe but equally i expect a similar right not to believe.
:)
Regards
Stuart
I dont mind people being religous at all as long as they dont impose those views on me.!!!
Hey cryptcblade Sign me up for crptchachallbbbcaabladicism :D
ruds
Ur yuh shur yuh ur ruddy fur ut? Cus ut unvullv's nukkud wummun unstud of shup. Ulso thur us cuppious amunts of ulcuhull unvulv'd.. but thut shud buh ukuh fur yuhz eh cuz. PS Wroit thuh num uf thuh plusse dun.. Cus wuh dunt wunt yuh gung tuh thuh Punty Shunty unstud!!!! :D
Nah its only the Southern lads that go for the sheep us northlanders are actually quite sophistacted we hang out in seedy strip clubs and drink copious quantities of booze.
alright then mate I have written down that address :D so i dont go to the pinty Shinty instead :D
hmm..
yes, i must agree with Tygur ... this thread was started on the topic of religion... we've only continued the topic.. .we haven't spammed some programming topic with our preachings.... you have the choice not to come and read this.... which is fine, you are entitled to your own opinions.. im just trying to help here....
Tygur, well that is a difficult question... Jesus is and isn't God...... Since Jesus is God's son, and was physically sent here to earth, i Guess that does qualify him as being God's son, and therefore not really God, although God did create him... so, in a sense, he is God as well..... heh get what im trying to say?
Beach, well your going to hell
we the religious people dont want you to fry,
:D :D :D :D :D
me go to bed
everyone is entitled to their beliefs
if everyoen followed God, there woudl be no need for religion
:)
dare i ask you to explain trinity?Quote:
Originally posted by Redth
hmm..
yes, i must agree with Tygur ... this thread was started on the topic of religion... we've only continued the topic.. .we haven't spammed some programming topic with our preachings.... you have the choice not to come and read this.... which is fine, you are entitled to your own opinions.. im just trying to help here....
Tygur, well that is a difficult question... Jesus is and isn't God...... Since Jesus is God's son, and was physically sent here to earth, i Guess that does qualify him as being God's son, and therefore not really God, although God did create him... so, in a sense, he is God as well..... heh get what im trying to say?
then again nevermind, diss miss this post :)
Please use butter instead of oil cos it is nicer on the skin!! :DQuote:
Originally posted by kovan
Beach, well your going to hell
we the religious people dont want you to fry,
:D :D :D :D :D
Uh hup ah dudnt guv uwuh muh uthur uduntutty. Hey ruds cuz yuh dudnt tull unnywun dud yah?
Just shows how hopeless i would be at imposters. After 3 posts I am already completely confused und bumbuzzled. !! :p
arrghhh buck tuh spukkun wuth ruds
I don't feel that posting religious threads is anything close to forcing or imposing religious thoughts and ideas. Like I said before, viewing a thread is completely voluntary. If you don't care to see it, just look at a different thread. There's nothing even remotely forceful about it.Quote:
Originally posted by beachbum
Tygur
J4u actually admitted to trying to sway ppl in a prev thread and redth as much as admits it here too. I of course know that it isnt forcing in the way of twisting my arm etc. But it gets so annoying and is basically spam that few want to hear; and i guess that even if people did want to hear they wouldnt be looking to a vb forum for the source of information. I ask you then what u think j4u and redth's purpose is for posting such things if not to get feedback or to impose on others?
It's not spam, either. It's not off-topic. And the people posting the threads don't really have anything to gain by getting you to follow their beliefs, except maybe the satisfaction in getting someone to be saved. They don't make money off the threads at all.
Just because something is annoying, doesn't mean it's wrong. It's only an annoyance. If nobody wants to hear it, then nobody should be clicking into the thread.
The reason why I didn't start any religious threads of my own is because I don't feel the need to. Enough people are already starting them and I feel content just challenging their beliefs.Quote:
Originally posted by beachbum
Also, Tygur, you are a religious person but never once have i seen a 'preaching' thread by you. I guess you know that it is not really relevant or appropriate in this place. Dont get me wrong.. i do respect your right to believe but equally i expect a similar right not to believe.
This (Chit-Chat) is a forum for talking about anything. Religion is certainly part of anything. So it seems appropriate here. And for truly religious people, it's relevant all the time. For these people (myself included) the existance of a God and all the rest of these stories (I imagine that's all they are to you) are a reality. People must come to learn about God or else. Your (after)life is at stake.
You can believe or not believe whatever you want. However, there is nothing wrong with someone presenting new ideas to you that you can either take or leave. This is what freedom of speech is. People are free to express their thoughts and ideas, even though they may be in the minority. And you are free to take it or leave it. No harm done. In the case of these forums, you can choose to not even hear it by avoiding all religious threads.
Jesus is God becase God created him? Please explain. Adam wasn't God. Satan certainly isn't God. Jesus can't be God just because he was created by God.Quote:
Originally posted by Redth
Tygur, well that is a difficult question... Jesus is and isn't God...... Since Jesus is God's son, and was physically sent here to earth, i Guess that does qualify him as being God's son, and therefore not really God, although God did create him... so, in a sense, he is God as well..... heh get what im trying to say?
ok tygur this is getting all too serious now. I am not stupid enuf to think that i can be forced to read a religious thread. In fact i find them quite enjoyable but for opposite and obvious reasons. Are u really suggesting that I am against free speech?? Wow, next you will be telling me that I have no right to burn those witches!! :p
I guess the overall point I was trying to make is that these 'preacher's' are talking to people that are smart enough to work out what they want for themselves without hearing the rantings of some evangelical nutter.
Regards
Stuart
Still too lazy to change avatar for time being :D
okay so you're beachbum?Quote:
Originally posted by stuffun_rubb
ok tygur this is getting all too serious now. I am not stupid enuf to think that i can be forced to read a religious thread. In fact i find them quite enjoyable but for opposite and obvious reasons. Are u really suggesting that I am against free speech?? Wow, next you will be telling me that I have no right to burn those witches!! :p
I guess the overall point I was trying to make is that these 'preacher's' are talking to people that are smart enough to work out what they want for themselves without hearing the rantings of some evangelical nutter.
Well I'm not saying you're against free speech. I guess I should've been a little more careful about that free speech part. I was just explaining that while you had the right to believe or not believe whatever you chose, religious people have the freedom of speech. They can still explain their teachings. I know you're not against free speech.
Just as you weren't saying I was against your right to free thought (free to believe whatever), I'm not saying you're against free speech.
My point is that some of these "evangelical nutters" might be onto something and people might want to listen.
Cool Tygur no probs :) But i still think that Crptychblaade is onto something with his religion!! :D hmm wonder if he has any handouts or posters??? :p
Ps
This is my first and last lame attempt at a character. Was purely for blurbing with ruds and the beautiful kiwi accent. But it is too confusing for my tiny brain (still 7 cells left!) and so he will be put to bed very soon... ;)
Thus uz muh furst und lust lum uttumpt ut uh chuructur. Wuz purleh fur blurbun wuth ruds (mah cuz) und thuh buttuful kuwuh ucsunt. But ut us tuh cunfussun fur muh toiny brun (stull suvun brun sulls luft) und suh he wull buh put tuh bud vurry sun.
kaipai cuz you huv dun duh kuwi uccent a rully gud survuce I tuke muh hut uf tuh yuh cus. und uh nuh yuh wull fut rutt untuh uh kuwi pub anuhtum muth :D
(good one man you have done the kiwi accent a really good service and I take my hat off to you man, and I know you will fit right into a Kiwi pub anytime mate. :) )
Ah must uv bun ut thuh pub thuh day thut thuh tuchur lurn'd us thut wurd kaipai eh cuz. Thuh unly kaipai ah'v hurd uv us thut luttle ugly burd un sum pustry. Yuh kunt ( :eek: ) gut thum ut bundi but uts ok coz yuh cun stull buy fush und chups.
welcome Redth to the thread! :)
Here is the verse for the day.
Romans 5:8 and 5:9:
But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Since, therefore, we are now justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.
:D
Tygur read this
Q: In Jn 1:1, how could the Word both be God and with God?
A: In the same way as the Son could be both God and have a God in Hebrews 1:8,9. Besides referring to false gods, the word "God" has at least four meanings with respect to the true God. "God" can mean just the Father, just the Son, just the Spirit, or the three in Trinity.
Here is what the church father Hippolytus (225-236 A.D.) said in Against the Heresy of One Noetus chapter 14, says "If, then the Word was with God and was also God what follows? I shall not indeed speak of two Gods but of one; of two Persons however and of a third economy (disposition), viz., the grace of the Holy Ghost. For the Father indeed is One but there are two Persons because there is also the son; and then there is the third the Holy Spirit."
Q: In Jn 1:1, how could God be incarnated as a man?
A: On one hand the answer is simple: God Almighty can appear however He wishes. On the other hand, this is a profound miracle. Melito the philosopher (160-170-177 A.D.) pondered the mystery of the incarnation in his Discourse on the Cross
"On these accounts He came to us; on these accounts, though He was incorporeal, He formed for Himself a body after our fashion, appearing as a sheep, yet still remaining the Shepherd; being esteemed a servant, yet not renouncing the Sonship; being carried [in the womb] of Mary, yet arrayed in [the nature of] His Father; treading upon the earth, yet filling heaven; appearing as an infant, yet not discarding the eternity of His nature; being invested with a body, yet not circumscribing the unmixed simplicity of His Godhead; being esteemed poor, yet not divested of His riches; needing sustenance inasmuch as He was man, yet not ceasing to feed the entire world inasmuch as He is God; putting on the likeness of a servant, yet not impairing the likeness of His Father."
Q: In Jn 1:1, how else do we know that Jesus is God?
1. All Old Testament names for God are merged into Jesus Christ.
2. Jesus received human worship. Either He was wrong to do so, or else He was correct to do so.
3. Jesus forgave sins against God.
4. Jesus showed omnipotent power.
5. Jesus showed omniscience (perhaps he did not have this on earth prior to his resurrection though.)
6. Jesus asserted omnipresence.
7. The New Testament says that Jesus is God, and is to be honored as the Father.
Tygur in reply to Jesus BEING God NOT a created being...
Q: In Jn 1:1, should this be translated as "was divine", "was a God", or "was God"?
A: It should be "was God". Here is a summary of the linguistic evidence.
Not just a god: The same grammar, "theos" without the "ho" in Greek, refers to Jehovah-God in Luke 20:38.
Not just divine: If John had intended merely to say that Jesus was divine, John could have used the adjective "theios". However, John emphasized that Jesus is actually God.
The word was God:
It must be mentioned that modern linguistic study is not the strongest evidence available to show that John 1:1 meant that the Word was God. There is another approach. What if we could ask Christians who were the native speakers of New Testament Greek what John 1:1 meant? We can do so. See the next question for the answers, though you probably will not like their answers ......
Q: In Jn 1:1, what did the early church teach about this verse and the Word being God?
A: It is insightful to hear what modern scholars, 2000 years later, say the Greek meant. However, what is more interesting what church leaders who lived 1700-1800 years ago, many of whom spoke New Testament Greek since they were babies, interpreted what John 1:1, in their own language, meant to them.
Justin Martyr (110/114-165 A.D.)
"for when we give out some word, we beget the word; yet not by abscission, so as to lessen the word [which remains] in us, when we give it out; and just as we see also happening in the case of a fire, which is not lessened when it has kindled [another], but remains the same;... The Word of Wisdom, who is Himself this God begotten of the Father of all things, and Word, and Wisdom, and Power, and the Glory of the Begetter, will bear evidence to me..." Dialogue with Trypho ch. 61.
Theophilus bishop of Antioch (115-181 A.D.)
""For the divine writing itself teaches us that Adam said that he had heard the voice. But what else is this voice but the Word of God, who is also His Son? Letter to Autolycus 2:22
Tertullian (200-220/240 A.D.)
"The Word, therefore, is both always in the Father, as He says, ‘I am in the Father;’ and is always with God, according to what is written, ‘And the Word was with God;’ and never separate from the Father, or other than the Father, since ‘I and the Father are one.’" Against Praxeus chapter 8.
Irenaeus (120-202 A.D.)
"But that He [Jesus] is Himself in His own right, beyond all men who ever lived, God, and Lord, and King Eternal, and the Incarnate Word, proclaimed by all the prophets, the apostles, and by the Spirit Himself, may be seen by all who have obtained to even a small portion of the truth." (Irenaeus Against Heresies 3:19:2).
"Know thou that every man is either empty or full. For if he has not the Holy Spirit, he has no knowledge of the Creator; he has not received Jesus Christ the life; he knows not the Father who is in heaven;..." (Against Heresies 3:16)
"She [the church] also believes these points [of doctrine] just as if she had but one soul.... For the churches which have been planted in Germany do not believe or hand down anything different nor do those in Spain nor those in Gaul, nor those in the East nor those in Egypt nor those in Libya, nor ..."
Hippolytus (225-236 A.D.) after quoting part of John 1:1
"If, then the Word was with God and was also God what follows? Would one say that he speaks of two Gods? I shall not indeed speak of two Gods but of one; of two Persons however and of a third economy (disposition), viz., the grace of the Holy Ghost. For the Father indeed is One but there are two Persons because there is also the Son; and then there is the third the Holy Spirit. The Father decrees, the Word executes and the Son is manifested, through whom the Father is believed on. The economy of the harmony is led back to one God; for God is One. It is the Father who commands and the Son who obeys and the Holy Spirit who gives understanding; the Father is above all, and the Son who is through all and the Holy Spirit who is in all. And we cannot otherwise think of one God, but by believing in truth in Father and Son and Holy Spirit." Against the Heresy of One Noetus chapter 14.
Why you think anyone is going to glean any kind of information that leads to a change in their opinions from bible quotes completely eludes me.
It's informative if you believe it's definitely true. Otherwise, it's just words with no backing.
You're wasting your time with bible quotes. Try some informed arguments with relevant information instead.
Morning Alex...
I wish he would bring on the wrath soon - can't get any worse than the way the state of the world is at the moment...
what's up Gaffer?
Quote:
Originally posted by HarryW
Why you think anyone is going to glean any kind of information that leads to a change in their opinions from bible quotes completely eludes me.
It's informative if you believe it's definitely true. Otherwise, it's just words with no backing.
You're wasting your time with bible quotes. Try some informed arguments with relevant information instead.
IF you would take to heart the Bible verses I quote they may change your life.
Or are you afraid of a book that can't harm you anyway? :)
It will! Look at Revelation. That is when ALL of God's wrath will come.Quote:
Originally posted by Gaffer
Morning Alex...
I wish he would bring on the wrath soon - can't get any worse than the way the state of the world is at the moment...
Why would I take it to heart? Why would any sane person just all of a sudden decide to assume something is completely true for no reason?Quote:
Originally posted by jesus4u
IF you would take to heart the Bible verses I quote they may change your life.
Or are you afraid of a book that can't harm you anyway? :)
I'm not going to just take it to heart without a reason. I am sure it would change my life if I did, because I would end up preaching this stuff to people, just like you do. I don't consider that a change for the better.
I'm not afraid of it. I'm also not afraid of being wrong. I've been wrong many times before and I will be wrong many times again. What I consider important is that I admit it when I'm wrong and am ready to change my opinion based on new information. I don't, however, change my opinion for no good reason as you are suggesting, and I don't encourage anyone else to do so. It's just silly.
Uhm... I've missed a lot in this thread, but I have to address this point.Quote:
Originally posted by Tygur
The cause behind evil is Satan. God deserves no more blame for it than the parents of an axe murder. I've gone over this already in other threads.
Tygur, are you smoking crack? Let's take a step back.
Who is Satan? He is Lucifer, the fallen Arcangel. He is the bringer of light. He is one of your god's creations, n'est-ce pas? Well, he fell after the creation of man. He became upset that they had free choice. (all according to the fables)
I imagine he had other motives, but I won't speculate on that. Point is, god didn't create man to fight Satan, Satan is fighting god because of man. Man is caught in the middle.
Since he didn't create man to fight evil, the only other reason put forth was: self adoration. He created man to fulfill his own vanity.
Satan was not an angel
:)
*that should add more fuel*
Maybe we should all chip-in and buy God some anger management courses?Quote:
Originally posted by jesus4u
It will! Look at Revelation. That is when ALL of God's wrath will come.
Doesn't this quote imply that you are reverential of god because you're scared of him?
Isn't this therefore forced worship. I refuse to capitulate and submit to someone trying to frighten me into worshipping them.
SD
That's dissappointing, SD! I was sure if I dressed up in studded leather and used my big whip you would worship me.:eek: