yes but you were never "active" while we were having discussions
at least i dont remember so (in chit chat that is)
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yes but you were never "active" while we were having discussions
at least i dont remember so (in chit chat that is)
Dude! I was here even before you were!
yes according to your registration
i am talking about in the period when me, harryw, jethro, genx, guv, defarm
and few others were having discussions
I was more in General VB at the time, I hadn't discovered the wonderous heaven of Chit Chat. :)
yes
thats what i just said
From all the devout muslims whose opinions I get to hear, both here on the net and in real life.Quote:
Originally posted by Danial
Where is this coming from?
Yes those discussion are thing of the past !! And there was no moderator either, still ppl didnt whine and moan, never heard anyone asking to ban a member apart from that kid nukem.Quote:
Originally posted by kovan
yes according to your registration
i am talking about in the period when me, harryw, jethro, genx, guv, defarm
and few others were having discussions
i still have NO clue what you guys are talkinga bout as far as nukem
maybe it was during that time i decided that i need to apart from vb forums for a while
Yeah he turned up while you were off doing whatever for a while. Nukem was some little kid that had discovered that he could say whatever he liked on the net without getting his ass kicked. He started making death threats and threatening other kinds of violence. Nobody really took much notice of the threats, but he was just a nuisance and everybody found him annoying. He didn't contribute anything to the forums either. So he got banned, mainly for the death threats.
Harry. I'm coming to kill you.
:rolleyes:
Harry, i dont know what you are referring to, and dont really know how many devout muslim you know. If you are referring to the WTC attack, then i challange any muslim to justify the attack on those innocent people according to Islam.Quote:
Originally posted by HarryW
From all the devout muslims whose opinions I get to hear, both here on the net and in real life.
interesting...
Quote:
Originally posted by HarryW
Yeah Nukem was some little kid that had discovered that he could say whatever he liked on the net without getting his ass kicked. He started making death threats and threatening other kinds of violence. Nobody really took much notice of the threats, but he was just a nuisance and everybody found him annoying. He didn't contribute anything to the forums either. So he got banned, mainly for the death threats.
yeah i remember coz when i came on there was a thread called "music lyrics" and i posted the lyrics of a limp bizkit song (from their second album, not the nu one, its actually a rap song) and behemoth said i was nukem coz i was quoting limp bizkit (which apparantly he did as well) that pissed me off it did :mad: but then he apologised so it was all kool and the gang
btw, where is behemoth, i hardly see him on here anymore
I'm not referring to that. I'm referring to the general attitude and the way they see conflicts involving muslims all over the world.Quote:
Originally posted by Danial
Harry, i dont know what you are referring to, and dont really know how many devout muslim you know. If you are referring to the WTC attack, then i challange any muslim to justify the attack on those innocent people according to Islam.
They're nice enough people, but in my opinion they have a tendency to feel persecuted when they're not, they're just in conflict.
LEAVE IT!!Quote:
Originally posted by kovan
interesting...
we have already had this discussion, so NO MORE!!
right im off 2 bed, im tired and ****, plus the great england result was cancelled out coz barcelona LOST 2-1 to deportivo, ****
oh well, night all!! and lets hope when i get back on 2moro, akinsley will be saying "muslim" and patooey will be banned
:)
Keep dreaming :DQuote:
Originally posted by ghost ryder
LEAVE IT!!
we have already had this discussion, so NO MORE!!
right im off 2 bed, im tired and ****, plus the great england result was cancelled out coz barcelona LOST 2-1 to deportivo, ****
oh well, night all!! and lets hope when i get back on 2moro, akinsley will be saying "muslim" and patooey will be banned
:)
Kovan was the qute in regards to my postQuote:
interesting.......
to harryw's little description of who Nukem was
Quote:
Originally posted by HarryW
I'm not referring to that. I'm referring to the general attitude and the way they see conflicts involving muslims all over the world.
They're nice enough people, but in my opinion they have a tendency to feel persecuted when they're not, they're just in conflict.
Thats your opinion, but you cant deny the fact that muslim are being persecuted in many places around the world.
They are, but by facsist Islamic regimes who believe they know what's best for the Moslems they persecute.
So are you tryng to say muslim around the world are being persecuted only by facist Islamic regimes. Very intersting point of view.......
obviously he wont admit the palestinian case and how israel is percecuting them..
*cough* And you said that you had nothing against Jews. :rolleyes:
Not only, but mostly.Quote:
Originally posted by Danial
So are you tryng to say muslim around the world are being persecuted only by facist Islamic regimes. Very intersting point of view.......
i dont
Israel IS persecuting muslims
If you really want to argue this, kovan, we can do it in another thread. However, I propose three (3) stipulations:
If you are willing to do this in an acceptable fashion, then I'll forgive you for everything previous to today.
- That you refrain from being rude, racist, discurtious, or saying anything that you wouldn't say to your own mother;
- That you provide evidence where necessary, and you rely on the evidence furnished by others unless you have contradicting evidence; and lastly
- That you are willing to make concessions.
:rolleyes: :pQuote:
Originally posted by aknisely
then I'll forgive you
Kovan i dont think there is any point of arguing after what he said.Quote:
Moslems are not being persecuted in Israel. Terrorists are being killed. The difference between the Israeli forces and those of the Palestinians is that Israelis do not target civilians; we don't kill innocent people. If they want to join terrorist groups to learn how to bomb hospitals and daycare centers, then they deserve whatever **** comes to them. The same goes for people who pick up guns or stones.
1. Israel dont target civilians - are you sure ?
2. We dont kill innocent people - are you sure
3. The same goes for people who pick up guns or stones - So you you justify killing someone for picking up stones, and you think its the same crime as picking up guns.
So leave it, u will just get urself banned.
Adam
i dont think i need yoru forgiveness to be prevented from entering hell
so there for i dont need yoru forgiveness
Danial
good point
thats why i have no intention of starting it again......
I can deny it.Quote:
Originally posted by Danial
Thats your opinion, but you cant deny the fact that muslim are being persecuted in many places around the world.
However, I don't deny it. I think I probably could reasonably deny it.
The situation in the middle east with Israel and Palestine is seen by many muslims (and also by many non-muslims) as being a persecution of the palestinians. I often hear muslims shout about Israelis shooting Palestinian children. There are factions within the Palestinians, however, who think it is perfectly reasonable to suicide bomb Israeli civilians, including children. Neither side has the high moral ground if you ask me. They're both as bad, as stubborn and as foolish as each other.
I am sure there are muslim groups somewhere in the world that are being persecuted in some way, but what I take issue with is the assertion made by many muslims that they are being persecuted because they are muslim. That is not always the case.
Danial, am I right in assuming you are a muslim yourself? You are certainly giving off that vibe. If you are, then I already know that it's likely what I say about this will have absolutely no effect on you. It will probably go in one ear and out the other, and I'm not in a mood to talk to anyone who doesn't want to listen.
Danial,
1. The IDF treats people who are involved in terrorist activities as military targets. What could Israel possibly gain by killing innocent Palestinians?
2. Once you throw stones at people, you are no longer innocent. The IDF will defend the citizens of Israel from any attacker, even if it means having to tear gas a 14-year-old who thinks it's his duty to stone an elderly woman to death.
3. To these people, stones are just as deadly weapons as firearms; people have died from stones, and not just Israelis and Arabs. Foreign nationals have been attacked with stones because Palestinian militants make no distinction between targets -- Israeli or foreign, military or civilian -- because they want to ignore the fact that what they are doing is wrong.
Harry, i have to say i agree with most of the things you said. Yes its a fact that lots of Palestine children are getting killed. Also like you said some faction within the Plestine belive that killing innocent people by sucide bombing is justified, but as far as i am concerned Sucide Bombaing or killing any innocent people is against Islam. But you might wonder why they are doing it, are they being brainwashed or arey being forced into it after seeing their entire family getting killed, or is it out of desparation. Dont get me wrong i am not trying to justifying suicide bombing, you never can, all it does is kills innocent people and create more hatred.Quote:
Originally posted by HarryW
The situation in the middle east with Israel and Palestine is seen by many muslims (and also by many non-muslims) as being a persecution of the palestinians. I often hear muslims shout about Israelis shooting Palestinian children. There are factions within the Palestinians, however, who think it is perfectly reasonable to suicide bomb Israeli civilians, including children. Neither side has the high moral ground if you ask me. They're both as bad, as stubborn and as foolish as each other.
I am sure there are muslim groups somewhere in the world that are being persecuted in some way, but what I take issue with is the assertion made by many muslims that they are being persecuted because they are muslim. That is not always the case.
Danial, am I right in assuming you are a muslim yourself? You are certainly giving off that vibe. If you are, then I already know that it's likely what I say about this will have absolutely no effect on you. It will probably go in one ear and out the other, and I'm not in a mood to talk to anyone who doesn't want to listen.
BTW : you assumtion is correct, i am a Muslim
Stoning is NO WAY a terrorist act against Israel. And people who live on Palestinian properties should not assume themselves as civilians. If they want to live somwhere then go inside Israel - not on a captured properties!:rolleyes:
Stoning is still violence. Violence never solves anything and always gets innocents killed.
I really don't give a hoot whether or not Allah approves; suicide bombing is a horrible, horrible crime. It, like many other terrorist and violent acts, is condoned, encouraged, and performed by the PA and its associated factions. Israel can do nothing but try her best to put a stop to it.Quote:
but as far as i am concerned Sucide Bombaing or killing any innocent people is against Islam.
No, it's a violent act against people. Against humanity. It doesn't matter if it's against Israel or Palestine or Jamaica, it is assault; it is a crime. And it's both something that is a serious problem along the borders of PA-controlled territory, and something for which there must be punishment.Quote:
Stoning is NO WAY a terrorist act against Israel
But the cease-fire also does not work when Israeli tanks/troops enter the Palestinian area, kill innocent Palestinians, and demolish their houses saying that the terrorists were hidden there.
And firing, shelling, and demolishing houses (instead of stoning) is not a violence act against humanity?Quote:
Originally posted by aknisely
No, it's a violent act against people. Against humanity. It doesn't matter if it's against Israel or Palestine or Jamaica, it is assault; it is a crime. And it's both something that is a serious problem along the borders of PA-controlled territory, and something for which there must be punishment.
In terms of political geography, those areas are still Israel. They were merely granted to the Palestinian Authority by the the deceased Prime Minister Rabin in the Oslo Accords of 1992. As a result and consequence of the reluctance and refusal by the Palestinian Authority to abide by the Oslo Accords, to a point where they are being completely ignored by all Palestinians, the agreements are being considered void.
The two nations have been acting like little (violent) kids forever.
Here are some interesting facts:
- WW1 was sparked, escentally, by one person: a Serbian man that was barely 20 years old
- WW2 was made a world war by Germany
- Germany entered WW2 because Hitler was pissed by the Versailles treaty, which (suprise) came from WW1
- Tens of millions died in each war
If those houses are being used for militant activities, it most certainly isn't.Quote:
Originally posted by abdul
And firing, shelling, and demolishing houses (instead of stoning) is not a violence act against humanity?
Is that what you truley believe Filburt1, i remember you calling for afganistan to be nuked just a few week ago. !!!Quote:
Originally posted by filburt1
Stoning is still violence. Violence never solves anything and always gets innocents killed.