Post Race!

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Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker

if you had any practical experience you'd know that the majority of the desert streams are shaded in part or in whole from high noon sun.

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I had a good chuckle after reading that Sharky, surely you weren't being serious. =)

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You may also be aware that flowing systems can react in VERY peculiar ways such that your guess at how temperatures will respond is pretty nearly worthless.

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I assumed that water will react exactly like the atmosphere and that its temperature will rise when it is irradiated by the sun, and my theory is evidenced every time I boil water so I definitely wouldn't call it worthless.

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I camped by a streambed that became a flowing stream right around dusk, but was totally dry the rest of the day.

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Heh, probably not too many fish in that stream eh Sharky?

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Originally Posted by Witis

Although you are concerned with the survival of non desert species in the desert like the redband I am not as that is not game that I can win as Dan Schill pointed out in the video I posted re the redband trout. The issue I focused on was that the majority of native desert fish are extinct or endangered and therefore endangered native species of desert fish should be reintroduced as a much more realistic and viable solution.

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Reintroduced to what? They weren't there in the first place, so if you introduced them they wouldn't be native...by definition. The redbands ARE native.

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The problem, as Dan Schill explained, is that the redbands are not a desert fish and as a result they only have a chance of making it by living in or near cool springs which are quite rare in the desert. Thus a better strategy is to reintroduce endangered native desert species that are good eating.

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Originally Posted by Witis

B.t.w Dan is right the redband does look like a species of rainbow trout.

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Oh good. Then all the genetic samples we've taken over the last few decades don't lie.

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They are both trout, they are both native to north America, they both look the same, so exactly how much genetic difference is there Sharky?

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Originally Posted by Witis

Astonishingly I had to argue quite a lot to establish humans as the dominant animal on the planet. Mako sharks are still, in my view, the topmost pelagic predator, and from memory you agreed at the time.

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I never agreed or even came close to agreeing. The evidence ALL pointed to the fact that you were wrong, and it does so even more today.

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Oh really you've changed you mind? Ok tell me Sharky: what, in your opinion, is the topmost pelagic predator besides Man?

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Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker

Google Idaho Inside Desert. I came up with several links. This one was right, and I didn't look at any of the others:

http://mapcarta.com/23539138

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Ok when I scrolled up I eventually found the snake river that you were talking about.

J'ai passé devaunt la porte.

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Originally Posted by Witis

I had a good chuckle after reading that Sharky, surely you weren't being serious.

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True, I should have stated that that is true for deserts with which I am familiar, which means those in this area. It's true for most of the deserts in the US, but I think there are a few streams for which it is not true.

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I assumed that water will react exactly like the atmosphere and that its temperature will rise when it is irradiated by the sun, and my theory is evidenced every time I boil water so I definitely wouldn't call it worthless.

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Right. Liquids and gasses act the same. Streams are excellent models for the atmosphere, and your stove is an excellent stand-in for a flowing stream.

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The problem, as Dan Schill explained, is that the redbands are not a desert fish and as a result they only have a chance of making it by living in or near cool springs which are quite rare in the desert. Thus a better strategy is to reintroduce endangered native desert species that are good eating.

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Water is quite rare in the desert, so you are technically right that cool springs are rare in the desert. What water does flow is often cool springs. The redbands are native species in the streams they are found in. There aren't "native" species to reintroduce.

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They are both trout, they are both native to north America, they both look the same, so exactly how much genetic difference is there Sharky?

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None, Bambi. Redbands and rainbows are the same species.

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Oh really you've changed you mind? Ok tell me Sharky: what, in your opinion, is the topmost pelagic predator besides Man?

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I'm not going to start that up again, not even for the post race. People reveal little bits about themselves through their posts. Since you've said nothing about who you are, I built up a model of who I thought you were based on what you posted: That particular thread led me to believe that you grew up in a city and haven't traveled much in your life. I figured that you were an American teenager, but have changed my mind a little bit on both points. Niya appears to believe that you're a total fraud and doesn't believe anything you say, but I don't agree on that point. I think you DO believe everything you say, but I'm thinking you probably aren't American, and are either younger than 30 (probably younger than 25) or over 60. If you are the latter, then you'd have to have spent your life in some narrow profession, possibly a branch of mechanical engineering (that field has made some impressive mistakes when it comes to the real world). Whatever it is, you have an impressive ability to take a very small amount of information from the world, build theories of how the world works (which are largely Disney-fascist by the definition you provided), then zealously guard them against any actual data.

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Originally Posted by Sharky

if you had any practical experience you'd know that the majority of the desert streams are shaded in part or in whole from high noon sun.

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Originally Posted by Witis

I had a good chuckle after reading that Sharky, surely you weren't being serious.

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True, I should have stated that that is true for deserts with which I am familiar, which means those in this area. It's true for most of the deserts in the US, but I think there are a few streams for which it is not true.

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You may also be aware that flowing systems can react in VERY peculiar ways such that your guess at how temperatures will respond is pretty nearly worthless.

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Originally Posted by Witis

I assumed that water will react exactly like the atmosphere and that its temperature will rise when it is irradiated by the sun, and my theory is evidenced every time I boil water so I definitely wouldn't call it worthless.

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Right. Liquids and gasses act the same. Streams are excellent models for the atmosphere, and your stove is an excellent stand-in for a flowing stream.

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And that happened just when I thought I would never see Sharky agree with me about anything. =)

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Originally Posted by Witis

Although you are concerned with the survival of non desert species in the desert like the redband I am not as that is not game that I can win as Dan Schill pointed out in the video I posted re the redband trout. The issue I focused on was that the majority of native desert fish are extinct or endangered and therefore endangered native species of desert fish should be reintroduced as a much more realistic and viable solution.

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Reintroduced to what? They weren't there in the first place, so if you introduced them they wouldn't be native...by definition. The redbands ARE native.

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Originally Posted by Witis

The problem, as Dan Schill explained, is that the redbands are not a desert fish and as a result they only have a chance of making it by living in or near cool springs which are quite rare in the desert. Thus a better strategy is to reintroduce endangered native desert species that are good eating.

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Water is quite rare in the desert, so you are technically right that cool springs are rare in the desert. What water does flow is often cool springs. The redbands are native species in the streams they are found in. There aren't "native" species to reintroduce.

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Heh, no, Dan indicated that the problem is that the redband trout can only survive right next to the cool spring in the desert i.e. they are not adapted for the desert unlike some of the other endangered species of native desert fish.

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Originally Posted by Witis

B.t.w Dan is right the redband does look like a species of rainbow trout.

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Oh good. Then all the genetic samples we've taken over the last few decades don't lie.

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Originally Posted by Witis

They are both trout, they are both native to north America, they both look the same, so exactly how much genetic difference is there Sharky?

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None, Bambi. Redbands and rainbows are the same species.

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Agreeing with me twice in one post that has to be a minor miracle. =D

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People reveal little bits about themselves through their posts. Since you've said nothing about who you are, I built up a model of who I thought you were based on what you posted: That particular thread led me to believe 4that you grew up in a city and haven't traveled much in your life. I figured that you were an American teenager, but have changed my mind a little bit on both points. Niya appears to believe that you're a total fraud and doesn't believe anything you say, but I don't agree on that point.

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But Niya would say anything so that isn't much of a point.

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I think you DO believe everything you say, but I'm thinking you probably aren't American, and are either younger than 30 (probably younger than 25) or over 60. If you are the latter, then you'd have to have spent your life in some narrow profession, possibly a branch of mechanical engineering (that field has made some impressive mistakes when it comes to the real world). Whatever it is, you have an impressive ability to take a very small amount of information from the world, build theories of how the world works (which are largely Disney-fascist by the definition you provided), then zealously guard them against any actual data.

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I am happy that you were impressed, although I have to reiterate that I am obviously not a fascist.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YuU63UCVP7...pictures-3.jpg

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I'm not going to start that up again, not even for the post race

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Awww, please. I've brought popcorn.

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And that happened just when I thought I would never see Sharky agree with me about anything

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I really don't think he's agreeing with you.

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Originally Posted by FunkyDexter

I really don't think he's agreeing with you.

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Nah, I double checked, he definitely agreed with me, twice in one post! =)

Ok, so you don't understand sarcasm, either.

At this point, I have concluded that you are either a fraud (as Niya believes), or 'not all there' in some way. I've had enough of it, though. So, unless Bambi wants to talk about who they are, I will henceforth simply ignore everything he/she says.

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So, unless Bambi wants to talk about who they are, I will henceforth simply ignore everything he/she says.

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Personally, I catch some post but for the most part it goes in one eye and out the other.

I was thinking it could be a "rogue" member - some kind of alias. But I cannot see a pattern with these posts that would allow me to connect it to someone already on the forum.

Lots and lots of time and googling for links - more words then I would ever consider writing in a post!

Had an interesting meal with an evocative (and rather gross) name: Pakistani old clothes.

It was basically a beef roast slow cooked in a variety of spices for nine hours, then served over rice. Everyone felt that the recipe could have been better, but we didn't all agree on how. My sister felt it was bitter, which wasn't my view on it. My view was a bit hard to put into words, so I didn't, at the time. It was roughly that the flavor didn't last. Within seconds of taking a bite, I could barely remember what it had tasted like. Some of the spice tastes lingered, but most of the flavor just ended abruptly. It was pretty odd, so I wasn't sure what to add that would make it last.

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Some of the spice tastes lingered, but most of the flavor just ended abruptly. It was pretty odd, so I wasn't sure what to add that would make it last.

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That's good in most cases for a chef, so long as the meal isn't to filling. It causes a bit of a curiosity that gets a customer back into the door to try and determine what it was that they tasted.

I turned onto I-90 from I-5 a few days back. The sign said that Issaquah and Spokane were in that direction. Why choose those two? I can understand the first one, but the sign should also have included Boston. After all, it's the start of I-90, why not post the other end? Spokane is kind of a random choice, since it's "a city a ways along the highway", so Boston would be a more entertaining choice.

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Originally Posted by dday9

That's good in most cases for a chef, so long as the meal isn't to filling. It causes a bit of a curiosity that gets a customer back into the door to try and determine what it was that they tasted.

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Oh, I could identify much of what I tasted at the time, it just didn't linger, which made it less satisfying. It was like I was saying after each bite: I ate some beef...or did I...I can't remember.

That's also the only reason I know to drink Moxie: There's nothing else in the world that tastes like it, so it is a very unique and curious experience, yet it's also so nasty that there's little reason to repeat it. Bottled, liquid, dust, in soda form: What an interesting idea. I've recently found it in a local store, and am tempted to buy a bottle, just because it is such an odd taste. I just can't justify buying 12 oz, though. If they would sell 2 oz bottles, I'd get one, just for the memory.

I aint never heard of Moxie before.

I'm not surprised. The first time I heard of it was from an old guy I worked for. He was pretty cool, and had a functioning water mill with a wooden overhot wheel powering some saws, and a iron, horizontal, turbine powering some other machinery. One day he told me that he was really excited because some company had brought back Moxie, a soda that he loved as a youth. He was 70-80 at the time, so his youth had been a few years back. Naturally, when he offered me a glass, I accepted. Fortunately, it was a very small glass, as I could barely get through it politely.

Since that time, I have seen Moxie sold only in very few places. For a time, you could find it in the northeast, but now you have to go to a store that sells unusual or craft sodas. Basically, if you can find Rat Bastard Root Beer (funny name, good taste...let's see if the filter allows that word), then look for Moxie with an orange label.

Wow, that word got through.

I'm surprised it did too.