You are wise in viewing the cats as a serious predator.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDY2OAjZgio
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You are wise in viewing the cats as a serious predator.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDY2OAjZgio
And do so incorrectly. The data I posted did include daily temperature maximums and time. UV charts are meaningless, since UV has nothing to do with it. Solar radiation would have some meaning, so perhaps you meant that UV was a stand-in for solar radiation, but as your site mentioned, that's not particularly relevant as a surrogate for heat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witis
Probably.Quote:
If there is an issue regarding fish dying because the water is getting too warm then you can be sure that you are referring to a hot desert. Is the desert marked on the map I posted?
I thought we had long since covered the fact that we are talking about trout and salmon, and that they are not considered true desert fish. They are true residents of the desert, and they are impacted by grazing. You can find that for yourself, if you so chose, by searching in grazing impacts on riparian areas, which will result in LOTS of hits.Quote:
I will continue to dispute your stated belief that fencing off a few river banks covered with a bit of green vegetation substantially reduces the water temperature at all, and that true desert fish need shade to survive.
Of course you want that. Since it isn't even theoretically possible to do that, you have asked for just the right thing to maintain your beliefs. The desert area is too broad to show any extent while also showing enough detail to show vegetation along streams. A link to a stream could be dismissed as not being representative (as the rivers you posted pictures of are not, since large rivers are rare anywhere), while an expanse would be representative yet wouldn't show vegetation. Even if I took the time to show several links, they would be nothing but snapshots of a broader picture, and could be dismissed as such. That's why I suggested Google Earth, which is what I used for figuring out the bike route through the desert. You could also search on papers on the subject. You won't find any that say that cattle and sheep grazing doesn't cause any damage to riparian areas, and you would find papers describing greater impacts than what I mentioned, but it would all be there.Quote:
I am not convinced. If you want me to look at something please at least post a link with the map open to Idaho and set up the way you want it and a link confirming that green = tall trees not just grass or shrubs.
Other than that, do as you please. I have not believed that you could be convinced of anything ever since you decided that mako sharks were the dominant predator. It's an interesting argument, but it's not worth doing any more work for.
Went back to look at your desert map. The Inside Desert is part of what is listed as the Great Basin Desert, except that it really isn't part of it. The Great Basin is a region that doesn't drain to either the Atlantic or Pacific, whereas what streams do exist in the Inside Desert and the other Idaho deserts all drain into the Snake River, which flows to the Pacific, and therefore aren't included in the Great Basin.
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Originally Posted by Witis
The data you posted did not include a daily temperature chart, it only included the peak temp, so I was unable to determine the temp at noon. U.V. charts are not meaningless as the National Environmental Satellite, Data, and Information Service points out they can be used to determine "when the earth-atmosphere system is irradiated" by the sun and are particularly useful to compare against the temperature charts over the same time frame. The water just like the atmosphere is heated by the sun and the U.V. chart from my source reveals that the sun is heating the atmosphere and the water the most at midday but there is a thermal delay from the time the atmosphere and water are irradiated to the time their temperatures reaches their peak. Thus for the trees to have any substantial effect on the water temperature they would have to shade the water in the middle of the day when the sun is directly overhead and that is an absurd proposition especially in a desert.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
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Originally Posted by Witis
Although you are concerned with the survival of non desert species in the desert like the redband I am not as that is not game that I can win as Dan Schill pointed out in the video I posted re the redband trout. The issue I focused on was that the majority of native desert fish are extinct or endangered and therefore endangered native species of desert fish should be reintroduced as a much more realistic and viable solution.Quote:
I thought we had long since covered the fact that we are talking about trout and salmon, and that they are not considered true desert fish. They are true residents of the desert, and they are impacted by grazing. You can find that for yourself, if you so chose, by searching in grazing impacts on riparian areas, which will result in LOTS of hits.
B.t.w Dan is right the redband does look like a species of rainbow trout.
Rainbow Trout:
http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/ass...nbow-trout.jpg
Redband Trout:
http://swittersb.files.wordpress.com...lius-river.jpg
Astonishingly I had to argue quite a lot to establish humans as the dominant animal on the planet. Mako sharks are still, in my view, the topmost pelagic predator, and from memory you agreed at the time. They also happen to be evil hence I included a picture of a fishing vessel catching them for food at the end of that thread. Delectable!Quote:
Other than that, do as you please. I have not believed that you could be convinced of anything ever since you decided that mako sharks were the dominant predator. It's an interesting argument, but it's not worth doing any more work for.
I googled "The inside desert" and there were very few results: https://www.google.com.au/search?cli...rt%22&start=50Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
That's not even a roar! It's just speaking in its own language.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witis
"Hey ladies I r here at the moment, come over and check me out later, meow."Quote:
Originally Posted by henrytrs35
Or "Damn, wonder where I can find a nice fat cow to kill, cause damn! I'm hungry!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Witis
Nah, the farms are usually fenced off to stop the cats from getting to the livestock. That's something you'd say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niya
Cup Cakes. Now they are evil.
Cup Cakes? Now we are back to moor mermaids!
You don't get mermaids on moors. It's too far from the sea.
Moor, moar, s'mores... desserts!
Now those are some tasty looking cup cakes
Hmmm, Katy Perry - her real name is Katheryn Elizabeth "Katy" Hudson - and she definitely reminds me of the House of Windsor and Catherine Elizabeth "Kate" Middleton in particular, and they are both sweeties.
It's only absurd because you went online, found a couple pictures of rivers found in deserts, and lacking any experience, extrapolated them to every other stream in every desert. I'm not sure which part of your statement was more wrong, but if you had any practical experience you'd know that the majority of the desert streams are shaded in part or in whole from high noon sun. You may also be aware that flowing systems can react in VERY peculiar ways such that your guess at how temperatures will respond is pretty nearly worthless. I camped by a streambed that became a flowing stream right around dusk, but was totally dry the rest of the day. When do you suppose the maximum temperature of that stream was? Broad generalizations are kind of hard to make, but you can pretty much say that water will be warmer later than noon. Flowing streams may reach a peak heat much later than the air...or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witis
Reintroduced to what? They weren't there in the first place, so if you introduced them they wouldn't be native...by definition. The redbands ARE native.Quote:
Although you are concerned with the survival of non desert species in the desert like the redband I am not as that is not game that I can win as Dan Schill pointed out in the video I posted re the redband trout. The issue I focused on was that the majority of native desert fish are extinct or endangered and therefore endangered native species of desert fish should be reintroduced as a much more realistic and viable solution.
Oh good. Then all the genetic samples we've taken over the last few decades don't lie.Quote:
B.t.w Dan is right the redband does look like a species of rainbow trout.
Rainbow Trout:
I never agreed or even came close to agreeing. The evidence ALL pointed to the fact that you were wrong, and it does so even more today.Quote:
Astonishingly I had to argue quite a lot to establish humans as the dominant animal on the planet. Mako sharks are still, in my view, the topmost pelagic predator, and from memory you agreed at the time.
Google Idaho Inside Desert. I came up with several links. This one was right, and I didn't look at any of the others:Quote:
Originally Posted by Witis
http://mapcarta.com/23539138