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I actually live according to the logic I have provided. Why would I go around murdering innocent chickens and cows when there is an abundance of fresh and canned fish available everywhere I go? Who wants to go to hell when you can go to heaven instead?Quote:
Originally Posted by Niya
Then why am I not in prison already ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Witis
Yep!Quote:
Originally Posted by Witis
So you believe in heaven and hell ?Quote:
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Yum yum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witis
Ah, you seem to think that you have a reasonable chance of getting away with your chicken and cow murders. I am not so optimistic re your chances especially as time nears infinity. ☹Quote:
Originally Posted by Niya
Yep, thought so, they always think they won't eat snake, fish or bear at first like baleen whales but they always do in the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niya
Sure, if you are good then you go to heaven, if you are bad then you go off to the other place like the dinosaurs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niya
Scores +10 man points, yes! ˚ᵕ˚Quote:
Originally Posted by Niya
Yeah, I don't know that there is a law about this. How many desert streams do you know that don't have any thick vegetation along them (not necessarily trees)? If you do know some, check out their grazing history, because you will probably find that they are heavily grazed. The presence of thick/tall vegetation in the desert tells you where the water is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witis
Where do you live? Out here, the hottest time of day isn't mid-day, but around 4 or 5 in the afternoon when the sun is not directly over head.Quote:
that the sun is hottest in the middle of the day
Yeah, that's certainly one of the pieces you are making up. Perhaps you are thinking of lakes where thermal stratification can take place? Streams don't work that way. The temperature of the water is uniform throughout unless you have groundwater seeps.Quote:
that the deepest pools are the coolest
There certainly are fish that have evolved as you state. There are also plenty of non-desert fish in desert streams. I'm also not sure that there is a desert fish that is consumed by humans. The fish in our streams are trout, and they are not tolerant of hot water, nor can they withstand drought. There are some trout species that were introduced, but there are also several species that are native to these streams and were doing fine until cows were introduced.Quote:
or that desert fish have evolved to withstand desert conditions including warm water and some species can even survive when the water completely disappears?
You use it to justify eating fish. While you might conclude that piscivorous fish are murderers, and therefore you are justified in eating them, you haven't been very good about making any distinction regarding the diet of the fish. You just say that they taste good. You also appear to justify killing plants, which are necessarily innocent. I guess you never said that you liked the taste of vegetables, so perhaps you don't kill them because they taste good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witis
I agree with this statement. I rarely eat beef because the industry is evil, and the cows do so much damage. On the other hand, I occasionally eat shrimp, and there probably isn't a worse industry out there, so I'm a bit of a hypocrit in that regard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witis
What does that mean? Are you wrapping whales in with snakes, fish, or bears, or are you saying that whales don't think they will eat snakes, fish or bears...then end up eating them. If so...how did a whale end up eating a bear, especially a baleen whale?Quote:
Originally Posted by Witis
By the way, do you eat ALL fish? For example, do you eat Tilapia? How about carp? Shrimp, clams, lobster (I realize they aren't actually fish, but they are seafood, and none of them are necessarily predatory)?
There is an example of a desert river where there is a small amount of green vegetation but no shade from any trees:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
https://biomesfifth10.wikispaces.com...ert_stream.JPG
and even if there are a few trees around they don't offer any protection from the midday sun:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-IgT3gB_zv6...ert+stream.jpg
Are you sure, the most direct sunlight is usually around midday (most UV radiation) and the temperature is close to the daily max at that time too (within a couple of degrees centigrade).Quote:
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Originally Posted by Witis
I think we will have to agree to disagree on that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
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Originally Posted by Witis
"Trout are usually found in cool (50–60 °F or 10–16 °C), clear streams and lakes" - Ah you are talking about trying to get non desert fish to survive and thrive in desert conditions, that's a much harder feat to accomplish and I wouldn't go blaming the cows so quickly when the desert conditions are the most likely cause of their death. You might find that the fish die even when the river banks are completely fenced off. I would focus on reintroducing desert fish that have evolved to withstand the desert conditions and are good eating instead, I am sure there are some tasty desert species that have yet to make it regularly onto my dinner plate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
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Originally Posted by Witis
Nope, I have never used taste as a justification for eating any animal. In the case of fish I outlined that fish continue to grow until they die so that if you made a robotic fish it would continue to eat and grow until it takes over the universe or dies trying hence fish represent a threat to the safety of the universe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
I have already indicated that I do not condone killing plants and that I eat mushrooms which have a rootstock that is preserved between seasons and tomatoes. Are you perhaps referring to annuals such as peas and vegetables that grow below ground such as carrots, onions, carrots, and parsnips? They are usually annuals or biennials: "A biennial plant is a flowering plant that takes two years to complete its biological lifecycle.[1] In the first year the plant grows leaves, stems, and roots (vegetative structures), then it enters a period of dormancy over the colder months. Usually the stem remains very short and the leaves are low to the ground, forming a rosette. Many biennials require a cold treatment, or vernalization, before they will flower. During the next spring or summer, the stem of the biennial plant elongates greatly, or "bolts". The plant then flowers, producing fruits and seeds before it finally dies" (Wiki). So those plants only have a natural lifecycle of 1-2 years i.e. they are not killed by humans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
Well I won't live forever so I think I can safely enjoy beef until I die. Infinity can pucker up and kiss my....well you know...Quote:
Originally Posted by Witis
Yeah, that's a river. We don't have any of that size. It did occur to me that you may be thinking of large rivers where riparian vegetation can't cover the stream. Those are a pretty small portion of the total, but in those cases, cows probably have little direct impact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witis
Yes. Daily max temperatures out here are as I stated.Quote:
Are you sure, the most direct sunlight is usually around midday (most UV radiation) and the temperature is close to the daily max at that time too (within a couple of degrees centigrade).
I think you have no idea, so we can certainly agree to disagree.Quote:
I think we will have to agree to disagree on that one.
Right. We put the fish there.... That's just not the case. The trout and salmon were there for thousands or millions of years. The impact of man was to bring in the cows, not to bring in the fish, and the cows certainly had the impact I described.Quote:
"Trout are usually found in cool (50–60 °F or 10–16 °C), clear streams and lakes" - Ah you are talking about trying to get non desert fish to survive and thrive in desert conditions, that's a much harder feat to accomplish and I wouldn't go blaming the cows so quickly when the desert conditions are the most likely cause of their death.
I'm not sure what to make of that second statement. Many of those annuals and bienniels are only that way because we moved them from their native habitat to somewhere else. My sister had potatos growing for years without replanting, and I've had carrots do the same (if they can survive the winter). Aside from that, it sounds like you eat no leafy vegetables (cabbage, lettuce, spinach, etc.), don't worry too much about eating the seeds of the plant, and justify the rest one way or another.
Your views on fish are just bizarre.
Hmmm how often is rarely, and what about chickens Sharky, do you still eat them regularly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker