Cows taste good too. I love how they make a good burger.
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Cows taste good too. I love how they make a good burger.
That is clearly not a valid reason nor is it funny. As humans are omnivores many or indeed most animals should taste agreeable and therefore taste alone is clearly not a sufficient reason to justify killing any animal so you will have to do a lot better than that if you want to justify your culinary killings. For example I imagine that human flesh is flavoursome yet it is not legal to consume it. I put it to you that you indirectly murdered the innocent chicken you stated that you recently devoured.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niya
You still haven't convinced me that you didn't murder that chicken.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niya
I bet you are murdering the cows too. Let's hear your reasoning regarding the bountiful bovines, what makes you think you can justify regularly chowing down on beef burgers?Quote:
Originally Posted by Niya
Witis,
I think you really need to stop throwing around the M word. It does not apply to animals.
Harvesting animals for their protein is an honorable profession. Geez Witis. What's your beef? :)Quote:
mur·der [mur-der]
noun
A law. The killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation
Regarding deserts. My experience with them is limited to Saturday mornings and Wile E Coyote.
I've read though that in really hot deserts ponds and washes dry up completely.
Those fish have a very short life cycle.
Their eggs can survive for extended periods without moisture.
Sure it does Gruff the word can be readily used regarding any creature including humans, for example, here is a definition from Wiki (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/murder)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gruff
"murder - 1. An act of deliberate killing of another being, especially a human". I don't imagine anyone would misunderstand the meaning of the word when it is used to refer to any unjustifiable deaths of innocent animals. For example if your house was invaded and the robbers killed your pet during the robbery I am sure you would classify it as murder or use an equivalent synonym such as unlawful killing. I have read various reports that involve the unlawful deaths of pets or police dogs that have resulted in sentences of 35 years+. You must be thinking of the word homicide.
Ah perhaps but only if you don't kill innocent species otherwise it becomes a villainous endeavour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gruff
Well if a Wiki has spoken it absolutely must be true. :rolleyes:Quote:
BTW that wiki also says the synonym for murder is homicide.
Literally Man-Slayer.
I grew up on a farm. Animals either worked for you or they were dinner.
Sometimes both. According to you I must have "Murdered" countless chickens, ducks, geese, and rabbits. Gosh even an "Innocent" deer or two.
Ah! now I get why you've earned the nickname Bambi. Talk about innocence.Quote:
but only if you don't kill innocent species
I dunno about Shaggy's educating women idea. That sounds awfully dangerous to me.
it was quite funny...Quote:
nor is it funny
Murder also contains the word udder and that means it is a particularly apposite word to use in the case of cows being turned into burgers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gruff
It is a synonym for some meanings although not all, as men can be murdered it is a synonym for homicide, however, it does not mean that murder can only be used to refer to humans unlike homicide. Other synonyms that are not specifically tied to humans include killing, death, assasination, and execution e.g. wrongful death or unlawful killing although murder is one of the most concise terms to use.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gruff
Yep, you murdered them, no doubt about it, although you might find that ignorance is an excuse, even in the case of murder, particularly as it is not a crime that is widely understood or promulgated as yet, although there are quite a number of animal welfare and rights groups that continually warn the world about such things e.g. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...lled-year.html. There are some of the animal welfare and rights groups: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...welfare_groups, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_rights_group. There is no telling just how long it will be before the crimes are put into legislation, it is a continually evolving area. However, I don't imagine that you can claim to be ignorant of the crimes anymore Gruff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gruff
I have also defended deer against being hunted and murdered in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gruff
I usually get humour, although in that case my humour subroutine threw an exception, can you please explain it to me Herbie?Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDexter
Cows arent' the smartest of animals, but they know what tastes the best. I assume that the lush riparian vegetation is just more attractive to them. Why they destroy it I can't say, only that they do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witis
I was going to ask if you were British, but then it occured to me that some kinds of boiled fish really is quite tasty. In particular, a nice chowder is always welcome.Quote:
Boiled fish sounds delish. Although surely the fish will seek out deeper pools and areas shaded by rock walls if they are really effected by the heat?
Why would water in a flowing stream be cooler in shade than in sun? As long as the water is moving, that which is in the shade is constantly being replaced by that which is in the sun. Shouldn't the water be constant temperature? In my experience, only cool springs in the bottoms of some streams (or elsewhere) create cold-water refuges for fish, and they DO congregate there, but those are rare in the desert. The rest of the stream is pretty uniform in temperature.If you have lots of shade, it is uniformly cooler, that if you have no shade, but the flowing water doesn't suddenly cool down when it flows out of sun into shadow.
Only if you can't spell. I mean, it's not the same letters, and not the same order (in fact, order is closer to murder than udder is).Quote:
Originally Posted by Witis
Frankly, I'm not terribly offended by somebody who feels I murder chicken. We kill things when we live. Even Witis has to draw the line somewhere, and has drawn it at animals. Killing plants is apparently fine. Killing animals incidentally is also apparently fine (if you take away their habitat, that's their problem). Killing fish is also apparently fine. There are a whole bunch of things where killing them is fine. You could line them up, if you wanted to, which would mean that things that are ok to kill are a fine line.
Everybody just divides things up differently.
You analyse too much banana-boy.
I'm no expert on the intricacies of the psychology behind cow grazing but I assume that if you plonk a cow in the middle of a partially grazed field it will head straight for the longest rather than shortest grass to preserve the grass as much as possible. Thus for cows to eat the riparian vegetation until it actually kills any of it the cows would have to dismiss the desert grass, as a valid source of food. I don't imagine that it is a taste issue as cows love to eat grass, although it is possible that the desert grass is offensive to their tastes. In either case the problem is caused by humans forcing domestic cattle, that have evolved to graze on lush vegetation, to graze in desert conditions; bad humans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
Most fish taste good to me. I have to add that when I explicated that I ate all the salmon in the desert stream rather than the cows I meant the fish flesh rather than the skin or brains. Bears usually only eat the fatty skin, the brains, and the roe, in order to gain weight as quickly as possible and completely discard the low fat fish flesh i.e. Bears don't like sushi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwtAFoTbfZk
You seem to be overestimating the cooling effect of having a few trees on the side of the stream. In the middle of the day, when the sun is at its hottest, there is not respite from the desert sun. If there are any trees, and there don't have to be any in the desert, there is only shade in the morning or the afternoon when the sun is less intense. I agree that cooling springs would be quite rare in the desert, so the coolest water has to be in the deeper pools in parts of the stream where the water is not flowing very fast and covered by overhanging rocks. But desert fish have evolved to withstand such conditions so they must have strategies to cope with overly warm water and even for when the water disappears completely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
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Originally Posted by Witis
What are you talking about Sharky? There is no o in murder unlike uder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
Murder
..u.der
I have never outlined that it is ok to kill plants, and I challenge you to produce any evidence to the contrary. Similarly I have never outlined that it is ok to kill animals indiscriminately, instead I have provided reasons to justify why some animals can be killed for food including fish, gators, and snakes, and that it is murder to kill innocent animals like chickens, cows, and deer. The key is using one's wit to determine which animals, if any, can be justifiably killed for food. If you don't have a valid reason to justify killing a particular animal then you are almost certainly committing murder. :LQuote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
analyse heh heh. =)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonker Gudd
You do realize that you are making all of that up, right? You actually have no data and are clearly guessing. Guessing mostly wrong, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witis
Right...they are similar...as long as you remove several letters. Well, if you remove the o in order, you don't have to remove the r from murder and the second d from udder to get them to look kind of similar. So, one change to one word rather that two changes to one word and one change to the other word, or else the addition of one letter and deletion of two. I'd say order is closer than udder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witis
So you condone killing plants and animals that you find tasty, but moralize about killing other animals? Sounds pretty self-serving, Bambi.Quote:
I have never outlined that it is ok to kill plants, and I challenge you to produce any evidence to the contrary. Similarly I have never outlined that it is ok to kill animals indiscriminately, instead I have provided reasons to justify why some animals can be killed for food including fish, gators, and snakes, and that it is murder to kill innocent animals like chickens, cows, and deer. The key is using one's wit to determine which animals, if any, can be justifiably killed for food. If you don't have a valid reason to justify killing a particular animal then you are almost certainly committing murder. :L
@witis - don't argue stream mechanics with Shaggy - I believe that's his forte...