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He started what turned out to be the greatest VBForum thread.. :D
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CyberSurfer's last postQuote:
Been about 2 years since I last posted on VBF, glad to see my greatest contribution is still going http://www.vbforums.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif
He started what turned out to be the greatest VBForum thread.. :D
Are you kidding me ? We are the ultimate apex predator. They're our food, simple as that. What is up with all this sappy tree-hugging hippie stuff you're on about ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Witis
Man you Americans are so weird with all your feelings. You guys take it too far sometimes.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of cruelty towards animals for the sake of cruelty but I'm certainly not sorry some cow got butchered for me to eat. This is the natural order of things. Every creature on this planet with the exception of green plants sustains itself by consuming some other creature and every creature itself is a potential meal for another creature. This has been true for billions of years, why do we have to arrogance to question this ? We're just a blip in this planet's history where things have been eating other things far longer than humans have been around. Its a bit ridiculous to feel sorry for cows simply because someone wants to kill and eat them.
I guess CyberSurfer could turn up at any time and it is the longest running V.B.F. thread I have ever seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by KGComputers
You say it like you believe that humans are the ultimate killing machines designed to dominate and enslave all life on the planet. Humans are actually quite soft compared to the skin of alligators, fish, and especially crustaceans. Humans aren't the fastest or the strongest creatures on the planet, nor do they have any obvious weaponry on display like wolverine's claws, fearsome protruding teeth, tusks, horns, or poisonous fangs. Basically they look like they have evolved to operate in quite a civilised rather than savage manner (sorry Mythbusters). What's up with all of your 10 foot tall and bullet proof banter?Quote:
Originally Posted by Niya
Cows are a relatively placid species of non threatening herbivore that are capable of symbiotically producing large amounts of milk and shouldn't be viewed or treated as a source of meat. They are definitely our allies not our enemies and should be treated as such. Don't murder teh cows. (._.)
I was almost certain you were American Niya. I know you hate all creatures, some more than others, but I actually get warm fuzzies when I think of cats, cows and other similar creatures and I only get all wrathful when I think of fish, dragons, snakes, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niya
If you are happy killing cows, why not a bit of rough treatment to put the animal in its place and let them really know that Niya is the boss, until they cower and tremble whenever you walk anywhere near them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Niya
What? You seem to have blown your head gasket right off there Niya. Not every creature on the planet eats other creatures, you completely forget to mention herbivores which only consume plants and do not usually kill the plant i.e. they are symbiotic plant grazers rather than plant killers, and you also forgot the entire range of carnivorous plants that love nothing better than feasting on the flesh of insects.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niya
Humans are supposed to be intelligent enough to discriminate between the innocent, including cows, and the guilty, including fish and snakes. Thus it is not arrogance to question which animals, if any, should be killed for food, it is actually a marker of wit and sanity. Why is it ridiculous to feel sorry for cows if somebody wants to kill and eat them when humans have already deemed it illegal for humans to be viewed and used as a food source; surely every species of animal should receive the benefit of doubt and the innocent species spared from the slaughterhouse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niya
All this talk of cows is making me hungry.
°o° *hides the cows*
largest != greatestQuote:
Originally Posted by KGComputers
Or for you VB folks:
largest <> greatest
There have been many classic chit-chat threads over the years. This one has its moments, but it's mostly nonsense.
I would have to agree.
There are lots of great chit chat threads... anyone by moti barski for example. Who can forget classics such as this one
I've actually seen that one, which was.... blah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atheist
They don't need shade for the reasons we need shade. We use shade as relief from the sun, but lots of light doesn't penetrate all that far into water, and heat gets absorbed pretty quickly. What shade does for the fish is keeps the water cooler, which is what keeps the fish cooler. There is also a certain amount of protection from predators, but that often depends on how the vegetation is arranged. In the ocean, the fish can always move around, and the heating from the sun has a different impact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witis
On the other hand, underwater vegetation does provide cover for lots of fish, so they do use it, though it isn't quite the same thing.
A single cow is unlikely to kill a tree. They don't eat them, and they don't kick them into kindling, or anything like that. Lots of cows in an area can trample the banks to the point that the roots of the tree get damaged, or the cows could rub against them until they wear off the bark, but neither of those is all that common. What the cows tend to do is wipe out any new shoots and any brush. A mature tree can take it, young trees die, so as the old trees die from whatever reason, they are not replaced by new trees, and the result is a barrent stream bank.Quote:
Also I highly doubt that cows kill the trees along the banks and they probably only eat some of the species of plants that grow by the streams.
You are right that there are animals in the desert. In our deserts, the largest animal is generally the antelope. There are places with some elk, places with deer, and places with bighorn sheep. In all cases, the numbers of animals are VERY rare. While crossing 60 miles of desert, I saw about 5 antelope. I also saw several hundred cows. That's roughly the ratio you find on grazing areas. So, while there are other animals, their density is around 1-3% that of grazing cows, and possibly even less. If cow populations were reduced to that of antelope, no rancher could afford it. After all, a cow is several times the size of an antelope, sheep, or deer. Only elk are in the same size range, and I didn't see any of them in the desert. I'm not even sure they live out where I was, though they do live in desert-like areas with more elevation.Quote:
Also there has always been animal life, even in the desert, and such animals have to drink a certain amount of water every day to survive meaning that river banks always have to endure some degree of animal traffic every day. As a result I still find it difficult to believe that cows are somehow the river bank vandals that you make them out to be. Don't they tend to use the same watering spots/holes to drink from on a regular basis leaving most of the river bank untouched?
As for cows using the same watering holes, I believe they do tend to, yet the damage they do ends up being widespread due to their density on the land. This can be seen within a couple years by fencing off the banks.
From cattle tanks. The use of cattle tanks and the fencing of streams moves cows away from the banks of the streams and puts them somewhere that can be used as sacrificial land. You can generally tell where a cattle tank is, too, if you have any elevation to view from, because the area around the tank is pounded into dust with nothing but flies living in it.Quote:
Fencing is expensive, an eyesore, and can even put humans off. If the cows aren't getting their water from the streams where do they get a nice cool drink from in the desert?
I agree that fencing has all the attributes you mention. Get the cows off the land and you wouldn't need any fencing.
We can solve the human population problem easily: Provide education and career opportunities for women. Birth rates are at or below replacement level in every country where this is done.
Why stop at women. I was actually thinking about how terrible the education system is in Louisiana literally like 9.342 minutes ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
Because educating women reduces the birthrate whereas educating men doesn't appear to have any big impact. It's a remedy with lots of evidence that it works, works well, and doesn't produce the controversies that things like the Chinese one-child policy do.
I don't know why or how Louisiana's education system could be so terrible. It's almost as if it's setup to fail.
Not to mention educated people are a lot more interesting to be around.
I currently live in hayseed USA.
I cannot take a walk outside without thinking...
"Morons! I'm surrounded by morons!"
Followed by. "And they breed like rabbits."
Just be glad you're not Mississippi.Quote:
Originally Posted by dday9