Post Race!

Anyways, thanks for trying to explain it to me but I don't think I'll ever grasp this concept or why its offensive some of the time. It is what it is I guess.

Simply because women believe themselves to be objectified naturally first - at the get go. Although this is easily explained as "the inner workings of caveman male and female interaction" it's become POLITICALLY CORRECT to reject it.

I personally do not agree - my wife and I celebrate the organic part of our relationship.

Some people just take things too far.

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I personally do not agree - my wife and I celebrate the organic part of our relationship.

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Me and my wife too. We like things like tomatoes, green beans, etc.

You see - I didn't want to go their. Now I'm picturing things I just shouldn't - TMI...

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Originally Posted by szlamany

Simply because women believe themselves to be objectified naturally first - at the get go. Although this is easily explained as "the inner workings of caveman male and female interaction" it's become POLITICALLY CORRECT to reject it.

I personally do not agree - my wife and I celebrate the organic part of our relationship.

Some people just take things too far.

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lol this flew straight over my head. What post are you responding to here ? And could you elaborate on what this is:-"the inner workings of caveman male and female interaction"

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Originally Posted by Niya

A lot of the images I posted were created by artists from nothing but their imaginations,

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THAT was abundantly clear.

I do think it's cultural, and that the term "objectification" is largely a cover. We have long held the position that the value of a woman is her physical attributes. Naturally, this is offensive to lots of women, and so it has become more correct to say otherwise. In fact, nobody is free of this, and it works to the benefit of some and detriment of others. For example, it has been shown that even babies will spend more time looking at a face judged to be beautiful by society (mostly symmetry, as far as I can tell). Children judged to be attractive get more attention from their own parents, as well as from teachers. It's hard to say that doesn't have an impact on how people grow up.

Then, once we mature a bit (physically), there are other traits. The incidence of CEOs taller than 6 feet is FAR higher than the incidence of 6 foot tall men in society as a whole. Tall men are treated differently (better) than shorter men, and this translates into better average job advancement. Considering all the studies about this, it's kind of hard to doubt that physical attributes don't impact the whole life of a person. However, offences against a group that has historically suffered repression or discrimination are generally treated more harshly than offences against a not so disenfranchized group (average height men).

So, you get what you got. Perhaps it's an overreaction to slights of the past by society in general, perhaps not, but it is what it is. People are more likely to be offended by overtly sexual/physical portrayals of women than of men for a variety of reasons. I don't see it as a perversion, but an overcompensation for past infractions of society and current infractions by some segments of society. You just get to play by the rules in place.

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Originally Posted by Niya

lol this flew straight over my head. What post are you responding to here ? And could you elaborate on what this is:-"the inner workings of caveman male and female interaction"

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Kind of to both of the posts you had just prior to my post.

And elaborate - maybe later - in for dinner...

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And elaborate - maybe later - in for dinner...

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%97 of dinners lead to sex and %77 of statistics are made up.

Square root of 69...

Eight something...

Look at you all hip you old man!

JK! :bigyello:

Or JFK :eek:

I was born months before he was shot...

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Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker

I knew you'd come through with that, but I had already seen it.

I actually remember some of the stories of Baba Yaga from my childhood.

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Really, which one(s) do you remember the most?

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Originally Posted by Niya

Apparently the depiction of attractive women in art is somehow offensive. Not his fault as he has to enforce the rules according to public taste as dictated by the culture of America. Maybe they won't find the depiction of strapping men in tight outfits so offensive which is perplexing to me but it is what it is. America is the weirdest place on Earth.

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You are still in the post race Niya.

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Originally Posted by Niya

Well.....its art....of course it gonna be weird ;)

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Ok, now I have no idea what you are going to post next.

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Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker

The US has an interesting variation on this theme, but it's universal to one extent or another. So many cultures have the repression of either women or sexualtiy, or both, as a core part of their values. What's really interesting about the US is both the fact that we are highly sexualized while being highly nutty about sexuality, and at the same time we are so utterly permissive about violence.

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What do you mean when you said that the U.S. is "highly sexualized while being highly nutty about sexuality"?

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Originally Posted by Witis

You are still in the post race Niya.

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Yep....just no more women. Don't worry, there's plenty of other kinds of pics. Males, landscapes, machines etc...

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Originally Posted by Niya

This is another nuance of American culture that I don't get. How can most the population of the most advanced nation on Earth misunderstand so completely the basic nature of human sexuality.

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Correction, one of the most.

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Originally Posted by Niya

Men above all are attracted to female looks. A woman with nice perky breasts, a small waist and wider hips is generally attractive to a man. This is what drives the lust of men. A fine looking female body and face. Nothing more.

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Although I like most of the outline you have drawn I have to add that it only applies to some men. Not all men are attracted to the same looks, some men lust after DD hooters, others absolutely love fatties - the bigger the better - it really just depends.

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It is not the same with a woman. While a woman can appreciate a finely sculpted male, it is confidence and a winning attitude that is attractive to women, far more so than a man's looks.

An extremely good looking man will attract female attention no doubt but if she discovers that he is meek, lacks self-confidence and is socially inept, he will not be able to inspire even the tiniest bit of attraction or lust. An ugly guy with a larger than life attitude and bold disposition would win out every time. In contrast, an extremely attractive women could have a laundry list of personality problems but there will be no shortage of men trying to bed her. Obviously, if the men in question were considering long term companionship, they would take more into account than just her looks but looks is primary for men. Personality is primary for women.

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Women respond more to attitude than to looks. A bold, no-nonsense, take the bull by the horns attitude is what attracts women. Good looks is only a small bonus.

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You are focusing on the classic beauty and the beast scenario and that reminds me of the peanutty elephant seals.
That is a male elephant seal:
http://mongabay-images.s3.amazonaws....nt-seal360.jpg

and that is a female elephant seal:
http://www.greglasley.net/images/SO/...-Seal-0011.jpg

A colony of elephant seals has only a breeding male, a beachmaster, for every 50-100 females. Bachelors come in from the deep and challenge the beachmasters in an attempt to gain access to the females:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQI5KUfM2xc

By the way I find women with ugly attitudes extremely repulsive regardless of how cute they look.