Not while Ewoks and Jar Jar Binks exist.Quote:
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Not while Ewoks and Jar Jar Binks exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Porter
You seem to have marketing confused with science.Quote:
Originally Posted by PlausiblyDamp
Sheesh. It's like trying to talk sense to people from the old D.C. Bizarro World.
NBC, CNN, and the rest of the corporate media are even admitting this if you actually look:
Watch Dems HYPERVENTILATE After Trump Approval Rating JUMPS AGAIN!!
https://youtu.be/ewKA7B5hHRY?si=qGSW4XpWwvKFARXm
Use just gave a great example of PD's point.Quote:
Originally Posted by dilettante
Posting a video of someone giving their opinion, making claims as if they were facts doesn't qualify as scientific data.
When even the corporate media can't lie then you know how bad it is for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by dilettante
The thing that confuses me about all this is that the Democrats would actually have a fighting chance if they simply let go of all the insane far left nonsense they adopted in the past decade.
Trump's approval rating is 47%. This ties his highest rating. So if it "JUMPS AGAIN" it just mean his rating was below that before. So what's that suppose to mean?Quote:
Watch Dems HYPERVENTILATE After Trump Approval Rating JUMPS AGAIN!!
Ewoks are wookies. Endor was meant to be Kashykk but they changed it to make it more kid friendly and just transposed the syllables. I'd say it was the worst travesty committed in the Start Wars universe but it's been trumped multiple times since.Quote:
Not while Ewoks ... exist.
It means he dug upward.Quote:
So if it "JUMPS AGAIN" it just mean his rating was below that before. So what's that suppose to mean?
For any country other than USA the Dems wouldn't even be considered "Left", never mind "Far Left". When simply wanting equality and decent state healthcare can be considered "far left" then something is seriously wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niya
Id it's undeleted , kindly put the posts of the US vs World threat here and delete that thread.
You're quite right about this. The phrase "far left nonsense" only makes sense in the context of American culture. Out here it's just plain nonsense. There's no concept of left or right where I'm from.Quote:
Originally Posted by PlausiblyDamp
Where in this thread did I mention health care? Why are you making things up? I have never once ever talked about health care on this site. As a matter of fact, I have never mentioned health care anywhere in relation to politics. It's simply not something I find that relevant to these kinds of political discussions.Quote:
Originally Posted by PlausiblyDamp
Oh and btw, in my opinion you guys have a terrible health care system. For as long as I can remember whenever suggested that I might want to go to the US to live, I always cite the health care system as the main reason I'd never do that and the problems I have with it are non-partisan as far as I'm concerned. They have nothing to do with your politics.
Trying to be too many things is almost never a good thing. Either it's a kid show or a semi-serious space opera, I don't think it could be both.Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDexter
Now this I agree with 1000x over. Disney was the worst thing to happen to Star Wars since the Ewoks.Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDexter
I never once claimed you mentioned health care, why on earth are you getting all defensive over something I never said?Quote:
Originally Posted by Niya
However, health care is certainly an issue in America - and the Republicans are seemingly trying to dismantle the ACA and cutting funds to medicaid. Again, targeting the poorest people in society.
It was in decline before that. The first episode was pretty epic (and followed a fairly well-trodden 'epic' story arc of hero coming of age), the second episode was an excellent second episode, and it's been downhill ever since.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niya
Well, I suppose it hasn't been steadily downhill. Episode I was a low point, but there wasn't much of a rebound after that.
I disagree with this. Clone Wars the animated series, the 2012 one not the 2008 one, was peak Star Wars in my opinion. It was Star Wars at its best. Clone Wars was among the last productions in the pre-Disney era. Nearly everything Disney made since they got their hands on it was absolute garbage. The Mandalorian and Andor are the only exceptions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
If you're talking about The Force Awakens, I strongly disagree with this. That movie was one of the most trash movies ever made. It was just awful. Given how much of a Star Wars fan I was, I still gave the second one a chance and that one was even worse. I didn't bother to see the last one and never will. Disney turned me off Star Wars completely. Disney has no idea whatsoever why old school fans like me liked Star Wars in the first place. Until Disney sells the franchise I will never watch another one of their Star Wars productions ever again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
Ah, I never saw the animated series, so I have no opinion on that. I was only talking about the movies, which is all I've seen. The three trilogies and Rogue One....and perhaps that one about Han Solo, I think I saw that one, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niya
No, I was not talking about The Force Awakens. I was talking about the first Star Wars movie made, which I suppose was episode IV.Quote:
If you're talking about The Force Awakens, I strongly disagree with this. That movie was one of the most trash movies ever made. It was just awful. Given how much of a Star Wars fan I was, I still gave the second one a chance and that one was even worse. I didn't bother to see the last one and never will. Disney turned me off Star Wars completely. Disney has no idea whatsoever why old school fans like me liked Star Wars in the first place. Until Disney sells the franchise I will never watch another one of their Star Wars productions ever again.
Yeah, it's pretty confusing when talking about the episodes. Now they are calling the first one in 1977 Star Wars A New Hope.Quote:
No, I was not talking about The Force Awakens. I was talking about the first Star Wars movie made, which I suppose was episode IV.
Not when it was made it wasn't. It wasn't a New Hope either. It originally rolled out as just Star Wars. Lucas retconned the extra bits in later when he realised what a cash cow he'd created.Quote:
which I suppose was episode IV.
I highly recommend it if you're fan of Star Wars. In my opinion, it perfectly captures the essence of what Star Wars was meant to be. I'd even go so far as to say it captures it better than any of the films. It's a perfect blend of comedy, drama and world building. Really top notch work by the Lucasfilm team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
Ah ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
The narrative structure you're talking about is called the Hero's Journey and it's a time tested framework used to ground a story in such a way that it has to potential to captivate people because it makes the story relatable. Every single person alive goes through the "Hero's Journey" in one way or another. Too bad no one told Katheleen Kennedy. Perhaps the Disney films wouldn't have been such utter garbage if she knew the basics of storytelling.
Come on Star Wars I was the worst of the bunch, it's the only episode that I don't ever watch. II was bad III was better , VII was relatively OK as the next ones . Also they butchered a little the originals by adding CGI characters but you can't view the originals in decent quality (meaning without tolerance of the CGI copies).
I'd look at the animated series based on your recommendation, except that I'd have to admit that I haven't watched anything like that in...longer than I'd care to admit. Too much to do, too little time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niya
My understanding for the final trilogy was that there WAS a good story arc that had been developed. You can see that with the story lines being set up in VII. Then they switched directors, or writers, or some such, and the new team decided to go in a totally different direction with VIII. That made such a mess that trying to tie things up in IX was essentially hopeless...though they didn't give it a good try, anyways.
It's a really damn good series but I think only Star Wars fans can truly appreciate it. It focuses very heavily on building on the Star Wars lore and it did it quite well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
George Lucas's original plans certainly would have been good but as soon as Kathleen Kennedy got control, Star Wars was finished. She completely abandoned Lucas's ideas in order to use Star Wars as a platform to pitch her brand of feminism. Kathleen Kennedy and her cronies were more activists than showrunners and it shows. I really really liked the Star Wars brand and I gave her movies a genuine try. I have been looking forward to seeing them since they first announced it. We didn't have a Star Wars movie in so long. When it finally came, I was extremely disappointed. It was one of the most awful pieces of entertainment I had ever seen in my life. I still went ahead and gave the second movie a shot, hoping they fixed the problems with the first one but it turned out to be even worse. I just gave up after that. I didn't bother to watch the 3rd one or the Solo movie. These people have no idea how to write a compelling and entertaining story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
The only Star Wars movie under the Disney brand that wasn't complete trash was Rogue One. I don't really like it that much but it was certainly not a bad film. I just found it a bit boring and derivative. I felt that Rogue One underutilized the rich lore of Star Wars. It could have been so much better.
I had no positive expectations after episodes I through III. The first one couldn't decide on which audience they were going for, kids or adults. The second two were certainly better than that one, but they were certainly lightweight when it came to the plot. Perhaps miscast, too. I watched the final three because I'd seen the others, but I never expected much from them.
I mean you can't expect a perfect trilogy to be better but after those 3 to get Jar Jar, me so stupid... I'm usually harsh when it comes to movies, mostly watch pre 2010 films but it did not really bother me with the new star wars, also the latest Indy was not bad, of course the previous was a nightmare so anything else would be better. If you want an example that stick to the plan, Star Trek. I'm not a Trekkie in the sense that I never watched the movie series and only a few of the old movie episodes (been sitting quietly in my PC for 3 years not, maybe I should start) but except from number 1 and the the one that they follow the , don't recall their names, the people with machine parts in the past to start a warp speed , the are pretty decent. I hear there will be a new one with the latest cast so that is good news.
But on the bright side, Disney allowed Deadpool3 so maybe, they will push some limits...
Money talks...long and loud.
I assume you're talking about Phantom Menace, The Clone Wars and Revenge of the Sith? It is true that Phantom Menace for a long time was widely regarded as the most terrible entry in the series of Star Wars films and for good reason. There were a number of problems including their indecisiveness on whether to target adults or children. However, I believe it's widely accepted that these were problems of execution only. Fans still love the story that was told. The characters were still interesting and captivating(eg. Darth Maul turned out to be a hugely popular character that has appeared numerous times in other productions), I mean aside from Jar Jar Binks who was extremely annoying and Lucas actually fixed that in later movies by limiting his presence, thank God.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
The Kennedy Disney films on the other hand had nothing going for it. The characters were trash, the story was trash, the execution was trash. This difference in quality comes from the difference between George Lucas and Kathleen Kennendy. Lucas listened to the fans and took feedback, Jar Jar Binks is proof of this. The fandom hated this character so he responded by limiting his presence and the few times he did show up, his annoying features were toned down drastically. Kathleen Kennedy is a completely different beast. She believes it's her God given mandate to instruct the "ignorant masses" and lead us into enlightenment and no one is going to tell her otherwise. Unlike Lucas, she interprets criticism of her productions as personal attacks and she and her cronies respond by insulting the fans. Her approach is to try and shame the fanbase into accepting whatever drivel she puts out. She refuses to course correct the way Lucas would have done.
Yeah. That's a 'polite' way to put it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niya
I don't recall who of the Jedi did it but pulling his tongue so he should shut up and him going "Brabarbabrabbrbarbarbarbarrrrr"! was spot on. Shut up and God why did they ever created him?
It was Qui-Gon Jinn that held his tongue for being annoying in Anakin's home. This was in the episode I.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapator
Looking at the floppy ears, exaggerated features, and so on, I'd guess that they thought he'd be seen as adorable and therefore could be sold as a toy.
Tomatoes have him as the worst and then II and then III and the IX.
Tomatobest is V and then IV and VI that I think everyone agrees.
I liked the Mandalorian, even though It could've still been written well without baby Yoda. That alone kept me from watching the show for a few months, seeing that it was dreamt-up for the kiddies, like the Ewoks and Jar Jar Binks.
Yea, the inclusion of "baby Yoda" didn't make a lick of sense to me, otherwise, it was a really good show. However, in the eyes of many fans, it fell off in season 3 because the hand of Kathleen Kennedy was felt. It seemed that out of nowhere the male lead was sidelined to push her typical feminist drivel through the use of the character Bo Katan. It's almost like Kennedy saw what a massive hit the Mandalorian was with fans and couldn't stand the idea that it was such a hit with a male lead so she ordered the producers to sideline Din Djarin in favor of Bo Katan so she could sleep at night. In my opinion, it didn't ruin the series as Bo Katan was a pre-Kennedy character that was well liked but it did seem quite odd how the series suddenly shifted gears. Disney needs to reign that woman in. They have something with the Mandalorian and if they want to preserve it they need to limit Kennedy's interference.
It sounds like we all agree that Star Wars held a whole lot of promise that it has often failed to live up to because of a variety of different peculiar decisions.
Star Wars has always had problems, mainly the question of whether it's a kiddie show or something for adults. Crafting the perfect balance was always a problem but it was a solid property otherwise. However, right now, I'd say Kathleen Kennedy is by far the biggest problem the Star Wars brand has ever faced, perhaps even Disney itself is the real problem. George should have given it to his children or something. Disney has no respect for Lucas's legacy this is the problem facing the brand right now.
Episode V would be Empire Strike Back???Quote:
Originally Posted by sapator
My favorite was the original Star Wars. I guess that is episode IV. It was completely new and amazing to watch. I had never seen special effects like that before, the characters are all new. The whole thing was a new and unique experience. But I guess you got to be old to have that point of view. Anyone under 65 has seen special effects like that all their life.
Star Wars was a solid concept, but Star Trek has spawned more real world kinds of tech...or aspirations. It may have helped that it never had the question of who the audience really was. It also dealt with the size of space better...if only by largely ignoring it through the use of warp drives and the teleporter.
I was a fan of Star Trek when it came out but I was watching it on 21" black and white TV. Seeing Star Wars at the theater in '77 was an experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
Ooo :confused:....careful with this one. You think Democrats vs conservatives is a culture war, wait till you see the Star Wars vs Star Trek crowd. Oh boy :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
And if you really want to see a true war of bloodthirsty berserkers take a side in the dubbed anime vs subbed anime debate. I found myself in one of these by accident in the YouTube comments once. Conservatives vs Democrats is nothing compared to that. People will literally wish you get gutted in the street for saying dubbed anime is better. :(
In any case, I loved both properties. Star Wars and Star Trek have enough differences to be considered unique and both can be appreciated at the same time. Interestingly enough though one of the things that they have in common is both have been ruined by modern writers who are more activists than writers, though Star Trek has suffered far less in that regard.
Oh God, it seems not only is the quality of the story is suffering under Disney but everything else in Star Wars has dropped in quality:-
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4YRY3_53rSs
I didn't even know it was THIS bad. Holy hell! I'm not kidding when I say that there are random YouTubers who have produced far better choreography than this. Disney isn't even trying man.
You haven't seen the film. They where fighting for a couple of days,eerrr minutes so they got tired. Speed really does not do any justice else the first star wars would be lame.
I would much rather view the last ones than I,II they are boring IMO (OK 'I' , I don't think I'll watch it again intentionally anyhow) ... I guess we disagree on that. :lol:
Anyhow all these with the exception of the originals is more to pass your time rather that think so on serious movies note, I'm excited to see dog day afternoon at the weekend , seems like I have missed this one.
Yeah, I can only imagine. I was surprised at the heat around VB6 vs VB.NET, so Trek vs Wars ought to be something. Still, Trek seems to have people dreaming of real world tech, while Wars seems to have...a whole lot of action figures.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niya
And when you talk about anime, I don't think you were around when somebody came on here talking about putting heads on a pike for liking .NET. There are people willing to talk actual bloodshed over pretty nearly any divide. I think it just comes down to people who have just one axis that they evaluate themselves on.
I don't remember anybody disagreeing about that. At least not disagreeing that it was the worst of the lot. We DO have a whole lot of confusion caused by the first movie being IV, but not called IV until later.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapator
I meant that I and II and give or take III are worst than the new ones. But when it comes to movies it's completely subjective. I mean I like splatter films, someone will find this atrocious and not proper films at all on the other side I also like movies like Serpico or Taxi driver that some will find masterpieces. I'll really struggling with dramas tho. Maybe one here one there but I don't really enjoy them.
These arguments are just as energetic as VB6/VB.Net arguments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
Star Trek has always tried to stay as grounded in reality as possible. Star Wars doesn't do this because, unlike Star Trek, the point is NEVER about the science. This gives the writers a great deal of freedom when it comes to the worlds and technology they can imagine because they know the fans won't ever expect them to even attempt to explain how they work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
That must have been very interesting. I could understand taking a side but I could NEVER understand wanting to hurt, jail or silence people because they don't agree with you or think your ideas are stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
I dislike the choreography of the originals just as much for the same reason. However, the originals (Episodes 3,5 and 6) tell an amazing story with memorable characters and outstanding performances. Also, they have an excuse, they were made in the 80s. The Disney movies have no excuse for such unentertaining choreography and unlike the originals, they have no compensating qualities.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapator
That's a very good observation. I hadn't thought of it that way, but once you say it, I see your point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niya
It was somebody who didn't really know how to act in public, really, as it would have alienated pretty much everybody, no matter what side they were on. It was quite unhinged. Naturally, it was quickly removed. All caps (or at least mostly caps, since I think the forum might not allow all caps) and a string of profanity. I don't know who was a moderator back then, but if was Martin...he was very strict.Quote:
That must have been very interesting. I could understand taking a side but I could NEVER understand wanting to hurt, jail or silence people because they don't agree with you or think your ideas are stupid.
If this happens then I'll start to get very nervous. I don't think it will happen but I've been wrong before.Quote:
“We do have the authority over the federal courts, as you know. We can eliminate an entire district court. We have power of funding over the courts and all these other things,” Johnson told reporters on Tuesday. “But desperate times call for desperate measures, and Congress is going to act.”
Add this to trying to control the press(so far unsuccessfully) but could be made easier if they control the courts.
If the government starts controlling the judicial system and the press That seems like a receipt for authoritarianism.
I normally think that we (society) are advancing to a better place. A more safe place, with equality but I can't see it currently. We seem to be digressing. But I do think we will start advancing again.
The judicial system is part of the government. While it isn't intended to bend the knee to the Executive or to Congress, it also was never intended to be adversarial in nature against them either. And they are certainly not supposed to be politically biased or malleable as a tool for undermining legitimately elected officials through endless campaigns of witch hunts and obstruction.
I don't think people are going to just go to sleep again. I believe we'll see far more organizing in other segments of society with more power to resist the yoke of censorship and fabricated discreditation.
This isn't Canada or the UK.
I think this is the proper place to cry about.
Trump announces 25% on car tariffs.
I'm not sure why people act surprised.
He stated that before the elections. There is not knowing on what will happen , unless someone have a degree in economy demodulation but I guess that person will be skeptic before announcing a predictions. Others not so much, they know squat on how the market works, they just want to pommel Trump so they hope that it does bad in the economy so they will "win"
So, etymologist that you are, tell me about "pommel". In the US, the word would be pummel, but we do have a tendency to change spellings a bit, and you've used pommel a few times. Is this another one of those root word things?
As for the tariffs, they are not for another few days, so whether or not they actually happen remains to be seen. They're on, they're off, they're on, they're some different amount, they have exceptions, they're off again...and so on.
Oh you gonna like this.
Pommel comes from Greek work epi-milo , milo was something precious or herd (that they where precious in ancient times) epi = over so it guard it protect the milo.
And just when you think it comes from Italian Pomolo right?
Anyhow I use it as the modern meaning : A pommel is the knob at the end of a sword's hilt, which is crucial for balance and aesthetics . I use it instead of pummel , meaning hitting with the sword knob. Fair enough?
I did expect an answer, and I got one. I hadn't considered the sword pommel angle.
Did you want to "cry" about the tariffs or are you asking others to cry about the tariffs?Quote:
Originally Posted by sapator
Don't think it was a surprise to very many people here in the US. It also wouldn't surprise very many people if it doesn't happen.
How about the pommel horse angle??? I think that would be exciting to watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
I'm OK with the tariffs some here where crying all around and (not sure this is the exact expression) not everything rotates around you. If you are OK about it just write so don't ask stupid questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by wes4dbt
I asked the question because your the only one that had mentioned the auto tariffs that where announce yesterday. So when you post this,Quote:
Originally Posted by sapator
It seems like a reasonable response. Either you wanted to cry about it or you wanted others to cry about it. Maybe you can't understand that when you make a smart arse comment, your likely to get a smart arse response.Quote:
I think this is the proper place to cry about.
Trump announces 25% on car tariffs.
Just to be clear I posted this because the tariffs where mentioned in an irrelevant (well as much as the chit chat goes) thread with the intention of starting a cry wave, you where not meant to know that but I figured since you are rolling around the forums answering every thread possible you would have seen that one. If that is not the case then I take it back.
sapator is right about the tariffs on cars. Might as well make it a 1000% tariff, nobody is going to need a car any way thanks to 15 minute cities.
And we should all get out and walk more.
I endorse this message!!Quote:
Originally Posted by jpbro
Nah, I've got a car for that.Quote:
And we should all get out and walk more.