Times of War Development Team

The fastest unit will take at least 3 hours to cross the map, using my numbers.

Z.

Good.

The 4kx4k map is so big that i get lost in it =). My machine doesnt have enough memory for paint to increase the size to 8k, so i have to write a data conversion program to do it.

Z.

Here are some figures from my spreadsheet of data:

Peasant: 1.62 metres/second.
War Horse: 2.3 metres/second.
Mounted Peasant: 2.02 metres/second.

All of the mounted units are 1.8 - 2.2 metres/second and the ground units are 1.4 - 1.7 metres/second.

Seems nice Sas, very good thinking!:D

Ill keep your numbers in mind when I go to actually doing unit movement, but i will not be using those exact numbers. The units will all move at the same relative speed (the peasent will still move slower than the war horse).

Z.

Job List:
Zaei: What you're doing right now ;).
VbTrooper: Since you're a beta tester, I don't have anything for you to do right now :(, sorry.
Kamikazekiwi3: You said you were moving, when you can, work on the story with Jorj.
Cbomb: Start modelling maybe the marksman or mage of the eye.
Jorj: Do the story, the map application, the names, and what you do.
Real Igor: I think you said that you were not going to be here, if not continue modelling the unit that you are working on.
Agent Underscore: Do the concept art for whatever you want (except for the swordsman, lizardman, or lizard champion, i've done those).
Norman_Nomein: The same goes for you as well, do whatever unit you'd like to do in concept.

If you give me a height map, I can give you a map with rivers, climate, rainfall, and much more. I have access to mapping software that converts a height map into other kinds of maps.

Wow... I wasn't able to get here unitil right now, throughout the day!

Did anyone else experience this?
Also, I'm currently 'dipping' so to speak into Pov-Ray, seeing if I can continue creating my models in that language.

Yup, same problem here.

.... i'm back at last.

From what i have seen / read everything is looking god damn wicked. The art is coming on nicely, the models are looking good (the first man that i sa was good the one with a green top and brown trousers, the other one thats being done at the moment wil need a bit more work in areas but its looking good too).

I have like 4-5 weeks at home of school which is the best time to code yet i have nothing to code, please can i get al least some of the engine code off Zaei so i can get to work on it coz i so need something to work on.

Thirdly, WERE GETTING CARRIED AWAY, yeah i agree it is good to have a good know of what we want done where and when for the people story, but i think its gone too far for the developement stage that were at at the moment. We havent even go the actual terrain engine (Zaei's part) done yet for us to even be able to consider huge armies of people, trees, birds, water etc.
Also, nothing seems to have been set down as this is whats going to happen, people have just said yeah that sounds good, and as the thread gets longer ideas will be lost, i think someone needs to start a word document divided into sections like engine, story, charachters, etc and then when someone has an idea it is noted down in the correct section in the document, then we have all the ideas in one place.
And as for Mods and expansions, nice idea yeah, but pleeeeeeeeeease lets get the version 1 of the game done first before we start on expansion ideas.

Sorry for my rant but i think if it keeps going with how it is we may get lost (thus the project fails). Everyone keep up the EXCELENT work that has been started here !!!!!

But a little more organisation would do the project A BIG KICK UP THE ASS !!!.

[email protected] is my MSN address, i think i have added those of you who are on MSN but if i havent please add me !.

THANK YOU - YOU'RE AN ACE TEAM !

HEY! SO YOU'RE THAT WEIRD CAREER ANNOUNCER IN MY MSN! That, or I'm being stalked by a person from some company wanting to annoy me.

Well, I'll be going away for an unknown period of time between 2 weeks and 2 months. I'm moving, so my internet connection must be changed, and we don't even have phone there yet, so it'll be a while. Yes, I know it puts a damper on working with the story Jorj. Just try working on the civil war ones while I'm away. I will periodically leave messages, either through VBTrooper or emailing with an engine at my school's library, across the network.

On a lighter note, I was able to crack the Win 98 password screw up security.:cool: Sas knows what I'm talking about. I just installed a program I figured would cause the administrator settings to reset. But I had to use a file splitter and split into a floppy 7 times. Still, I recovered Sis music and installed the network card. The RUN menu app only got so far.

Mark my words, I'll be back.:D

Sastraxi: [email protected]
Zaei: [email protected]
Jorj: [email protected]
Dennis: ??
Psyvision: [email protected]
Wazupguys: ??
Norman_Nomein: [email protected]
Real Igor: [email protected]
Kamikazekiwi3: [email protected]
Agent Underscore: [email protected]
Cbomb: [email protected]

Wow... you're back! :D
That's great, I was beginning to wonder where you were.

Any word from Wazupguys or Denniswrenn? I haven't heard fromt them in a while.

Well I finished a design doc with the help of Jorj, but it's been lost now. I guess the kind of 'official' design doc will be shown when the site is put up, all of the ideas on there.

I had the same problem yesterday, as has been reported by others as well, then spent, oh, 6 hours in the car. I am again, on vacation, until sunday, so not so long this time.

Welcome back Psy! For now, write me an OGL DrawTriFan() function. When you get that done, Go for DrawTriList() and DrawTriStrip().

Well, I wont be able to upload the Map thing for a while. My computer needs rebuilding. Thursday night, it suddenly stopped booting, and I eventually had to reinstall Win2K, and format my C: drive. Fortunately, all of the source code is intact (I probably would have taken a hammer to it otherwise). Unfortunatly, everything needs to be re-installed, including DX8, my Vid Card drivers, MSVS, etcetera. You will have to give me a day or so to get everything back in order when I get home sunday.

While in the car yesterday, I came up with another idea. In real warfare, the killing of civilians is looked down upon by everyone. What if, when an enemy killed a peasant, the team that peasant belonged to has thier fighting ability doubled (damage, damage capacity, etcetera), and, if a second peasant is killed, that team gets thier ability tripled. This would only be temporary, but, since units take time to train, and time to harvest food, and mine gold, it would make everyone think twice about killing civilians.

Also, spies could look like peasants. this way, they would probably never see battle, and would have a half reason to be wandering around the town area. The team you are spying on would be able to control your spy, in basic orders, like build, farm, etc, but you could see wherever it went.

Anyway, long post, Maybe Ill be able to get back on later tonight.

Z.

Evil windows >=)

I think that's a good idea <peasants>
As is said before, I'm kind of getting my knees wet in Pov-Ray. It's like VRML, but more powerful, with a built-in scripting language. I've attached a night sky scene with a nebula I just created.

Just rename it to BMP and open it in paint... I'm too lazy to convert it into a jpeg.

hey, sorry bout that i was told a ten day holiday but it was two weeks so i wasnt back until friday morning. The web site looks great !

Um Zaei, sorry but i dont get what you mean !

To draw stuff in open gl u do this :

glBegin(GL_TRIANGLES); (normal triangles)

or

glBegin(GL_TRIANGLE_STRIP);

or

glBegin(GL_TRIANGLE_FAN);

then u can specify the vertices to draw with

glVertex3f(x coord, y coord, z coord);

then

glEnd();

Note: tri strip and fan require the vertices to be drawn in the correct (a certain) order.

I cant really give u a function to do it coz i dont know how your vertices are stored and for what ur drawing

Does anyone have access to a server that supports ASP (that they can store stuff on?) I've just got an idea to have the whole website database driven, and of course that requires ASP. That would mean all you have to do is login to post a news item, to update the site with a file, etc. If anyone does, please tell me. If not, I'll have to use CGI which is a bit (actually a lot!) slower than ASP, and I'm really out of practise with it.

And dont get me started with *brinkster*. I'm starting work on a local copy right now. And to refresh you on the Q: I need access to a server that supports ASP or PHP, and not brinkster *shudder*. I tried using spaceports, but it was hacked 2 hours after I uploaded my stuff =(

Ok, Psy. I dont have access to any sort of programming equipment, so I cant work on anything right now. Everyone keep up the good work.

Z.

DECOMPILE ME!

WARNING! Intel Inside.

hey Zaei, what kind of system is the engine currently using for drawing the terrain ? For example, does it use heightmap data, level of details or any form of cullings ???

Can u send to me what you have done so far in the last working edition of it because i would like to see it and have a play with it (maybe some optimizations added), but i wont convert it to open gl, can u send it to me asap perhaps ?

Hello! I'm back from my vacation. I've been more than 1200 Meters above sealevel ;)

EHERMM...

I'm gonna star working on the mage-thing. However, it might take some time because I've bought a book to learn some interresting things (Special effects, Material Editor, etc...) and develop my skills. However, I'm back and you'll hear from me :)

And, of course...Hi, PsyVision.

Blowing in the wind...


Hey hey hey. almost 2 AM

Now, look at him go...His cape, I mean

God damn, nobody's here anymore. I did a first-try on the mage-man. He looks sort of..yeah, you'll see.

And here's the Wraith again. I've created an AVI where he's supposed to throw a spell. ;)

And here's the Wraith again. I've created an AVI where he's supposed to throw a spell. ;)


Ok, I've made it, but it's too large to fit here. Those who wants it should post a message here with the words "I want it" and your e-mail, and I'll send it.

I'm here.

Could you send me the AVI?

I'm here too! Can I have the AVI?

I'm back from the cinema. Have been watching Jurresic Park 3. The movie suck, but I'm drooling at the dinosaurs :P

I could send the AVI, but I'll use the hotmail adress, if that's ok. It's the only one I've got...

Quote:

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Originally posted by Jorj
I am not a bowel.
Non sum bovellus.
Je ne suis pas des entrailles.
Ich bin nicht ein Darm.
No soy un intestino.
Chan eil mi innigh.

Can you say it in another language?
If so, don't hesitate to tell me!

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I've been looking at that a while and because of my incredible incompetance in english, I've been asking myself what the F*** a bowel is. However, suddenly I got so irritated that I actually looked it up. What I found was: "The aliminary canal below the stomach" or something. From that description, I figured out that it had to be the canal in which the food turns into poopoo. Or in other words: The Anus-canal, the canal which leads from the stomach to the rectum. If this is the case, you could add this to
your signature:

Norwegian: "Jeg er ikke en tarm"
Sweedish: "Jäg är inte en tarm" <- Or something similar.

In sweedish only, I'm not sure of the word "tarm"...But I'll think that's the thing

Jorj

[email protected] is not a leagal hotmail adress

Well, I am back. I was attempting to fix my computer last night, but it is officially dead, and probably needs a new hard drive. But, fortunately, I saved the source code, so I can still do some work.

Psy. The terrain loads a height map into memory, and uses the Röttger algorithm for LOD. At the moment, the loading code is very slow, so i need to do some experimentation. There also isn't any texturing going on, or color, or anything.

I am also working on a re construction of the engine, so it will use DLLs, and multiple APIs. To put it simply, I am writing a wrapper that will contain both D3D and OGL, that can be used without rewriting any rendering code (eg, calls to functions like DrawTriFan() which will determine whether to draw with D3D or OGL). Things like that should make coding easier. When I get the source moved back to this computer, I will do some final cleaning things with the Map code, and post it to the web page, and let you guys know it's there. I will include a zipped copy of the height map (how does 64 megs become 300 some K? =)

To everyone. Dynamic Lighting may become an inpossibility, on the terrain at least. Static lighting on the other hand should be fine, using lightmaps. We can still use it on objects though.

Again, no one told me what they thought of the Damage link i posted.

Z.

ok, well i see whatcha up to Zaei.

The mage (is that wat it was, damn forgot now) the cape dude :D is looking freakishly strange lol :D

I don't use my hotmail for email. It's spammed bigtime, about 200+ messages a day :rolleyes:

I've sent it there, though. Then Where shall I send it? You too, Jorj. I told you to put up the E-Mail address

Oh, and about the mage-model. Yeah, I know he looks kind of sucky sucky. It's just that his cape is kind of cool. However, the cape alone takes 2/3 of the total faces. That's why he looks kind of silly. I think I'll fix him up(By redoing the model from scratch :P) and post him later.

Igor, my address is: [email protected]

Oh, and thanks for the new languages. I'll add them in quite soon, you'll see.

Well, my computer is pretty fixed, and i got a new HDD out of the bargain. I still need to re-download the DX8 SDK, but jjust about everything else is up and running. When that gets done, Ill do some stuff with the map thing, and post it to the site.

Z.

http://times.of.war.tripod.com/Map/map.zip

There ya go guys. Arrow keys move, delete and end rotate, and pgup and pgdn rotate up and down.

Z.

Is it possible to slow the movement down? One keystroke turns quite a bit more than I expected.