Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.

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I didn't see any person in this thread meeting the standard of scientific literacy in my mind, that is to say, no one belongs to the 1%. I have not seen anyone introduce some simple basic virus knowledge

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This is a discussion forum not a scientific one, and that sets the tone of the discussion that does not mean nobody here understands the science.

Its good that we have different perspectives like your in this thread and disagreements are often a good thing as they provoke discussion and learning, but i wish you would spend a bit less time telling us all that we dont live up to you scientific standards and also being offended and more time understanding why people have another point of view.

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Arrogance, ignorance and prejudice make this thread worthless in discussing and preventing COVID-19, it's just gossip.

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The thread was actually doing really well for a few hours, but then you came back!

Dreamanor, people do want hear your opinions. I know I do and I've said several times that, as the only Chinese voice in this thread, you provide a unique perspective from which we can all benefit.

But you can't expect those opinions to go unchallenged. Nobody else is afforded that privelege and neither will you be. Discussion and debate are not the blind acceptance of assertions. And simply calling people ignorant when they disagree with you is never going to fly. You're going to get real pushback if you keep doing that.

Masking is getting a bit weird.

I haven't been out a whole lot because we've had stay-at-home orders and even since then I'm in no hurry to get infected.

But when I have I noticed that in the medium-sized cities and in the small podunk towns people have been pretty good about wearing masks inside stores and medical buildings. The only places I've seen broad disregard for masks and hand sanitizer station use in within a large metro area and a college town.

This would seem to run counter to "left/right" stereotypes about population density and PPE acceptance. But perhaps I'm only seeing outlier cases? Perhaps we're just "different" here. Perhaps things are just more complicated than portrayed in the "news" media.

We have a new crackdown here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WF9ZQ6oz1nk

The deaf interpreter in that video used to work for me a while back, before she got her cochlear implants.

Out here, there certainly appears to be the case that the older you are the more likely you are to be masked. That would fit better than left/right, since younger people are more likely to think themselves immune. There may also be a relationship between wealth and mask wearing, but it's not very clear, and the age difference could account for the whole thing. Naturally, I have no particular sample size, since I barely get out, either.

To be honest, here in SC, at least in the greater Charleston area where I am, I'm pleasantly surprised at the number of people I see out and about wearing masks. Much higher than I'd expect given this state's tendency to go against the grain. Although... now our Governor has decided that since you can only get sick after 11pm in a bar while drinking, all bars and liquor establishments must now close at 11pm, rather than 1am... 10pm, you're still fine... but apparently 11pm is the "magic time."

-tg

Mask wearing is way up here, three weeks ago maybe 50%, now maybe 85+%. Of course now CA. has a mask mandate . But also we are just now seeing large spikes in the number of new cases. It seems a large percentage of the population wont take a situation seriously until it becomes so serious and obvious locally that you can't ignore it. That's why we need leaders. These cowardly Governors that still wont mandate masks.... I'd be kicked off the forum if I said what I really think about them.

It's so simple, such a small ask.

Boise has mandated masks, but not statewide, which makes sense to me. Most of Idaho is too rural to matter, and has few or no cases. The city is not so rural, and cases are soaring. From around 25/week a couple weeks back to over 400/day for the last few days. Small compared to some other places, but still growing fast.

I just heard that a large chunk of our office has been told to quarantine. That's it, I'm not going back to the office.

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Boise has mandated masks, but not statewide, which makes sense to me. Most of Idaho is too rural to matter, and has few or no cases. The city is not so rural, and cases are soaring. From around 25/week a couple weeks back to over 400/day for the last few days. Small compared to some other places, but still growing fast.

I just heard that a large chunk of our office has been told to quarantine. That's it, I'm not going back to the office.

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I agree, sort of. Idaho doesn't have a lot of different high population areas so leaving it to the mayors might work. But for the most part, even though it might not be far to the people in extremely rural areas, I think mask mandates need to be state wide, I'd be fine with country wide. It creates a clear standard. Our country has been trying to find all different excuses for not needing to wear masks, also we are a very mobile society. I think it's time to stop trying to do the minimum, look where it has got us. 70,000 new cases today.

I took a drive late yesterday for a change of scenery.

My destination was a small ice cream place on the fringe of a small town (pop. 2000), about 15 miles from me out into the sticks. A place where you see a lot of rather unsubtle new "Proud Union Family" yard signs that sprang up during the urban protests... and a gun shop next door to the ice cream place.

King Kone has closed its walk up window and outdoor seating. There is no indoor seating since it is really just a large kiosk. Only the drive-through is open and the employees are masked. The people in their cars were masked and most kept their car windows closed until they got up to the window. I watched two guys go into that gun shop and they wore masks.

As I said, I don't get out much. But so far everything I'm seeing contradicts the rhetoric in the media. Cities and college towns seem to be the worst about following good practices.

For now I still haven't gone into a grocery store since early March. If I decide to instead of ordering delivered groceries again I'll probably consider Carl's Market in that small town. They even have a sign out front "Yes, We Have Sanitizer Stations Throughout The Store!"

Your area seems to be generally more observant than where I am. I'd say that we are less observant than media is reporting, but that may be changing fast. I haven't been into Boise for a couple months. I'll be going in there in a couple weeks, at which point I'll see how the compliance is with the mandatory mask order. I'll have to walk across the city, too, so I'll have a good look at it. I could take a taxi, but that just seems a bit wrong, so I'll be on foot.

Hope you get a cool or at least dry day. I'll readily admit that walking in a mask any distance can get uncomfortable. But you only need that in crowds.

We've had a break now from two weeks of sun and 90+ degree temperatures. Plenty of recent rain (though spotty, some of us got 2" others almost none) and highs closer to only 80. Oh well, I was getting used to not mowing.

I can count on a dry day, but not a cool one.

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Masking is getting a bit weird.

I haven't been out a whole lot because we've had stay-at-home orders and even since then I'm in no hurry to get infected.

But when I have I noticed that in the medium-sized cities and in the small podunk towns people have been pretty good about wearing masks inside stores and medical buildings. The only places I've seen broad disregard for masks and hand sanitizer station use in within a large metro area and a college town.

This would seem to run counter to "left/right" stereotypes about population density and PPE acceptance. But perhaps I'm only seeing outlier cases? Perhaps we're just "different" here. Perhaps things are just more complicated than portrayed in the "news" media.

We have a new crackdown here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WF9ZQ6oz1nk

The deaf interpreter in that video used to work for me a while back, before she got her cochlear implants.

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I'm in Ohio and based on how many cases are detected in your county dictates mandatory masks or not so it can fluctuate day to day. I wear one inside stores all the time. I take it off in the parking lot.

I'd been thinking more or less "Get infected, you get sick with a chance of dying if you have some of a large number of pre-existing conditions."

Now more and more I am hearing "Get infected a little bit you start creating antibodies, so when you get infected more and more by the time you get a heavy load your body is prepared." Sounds a little dicey, like "Seed the grass too thin and it dies, so seed heavily" or some other wacky analogy.

However if there is any truth in it then it could be another justification for the hand washing, mask, instancing, etc.: Keeping "the grass" infestations too thin to survive your body's "weeds" long enough to grow a thick undefeatable "weed bed."

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I'd been thinking more or less "Get infected, you get sick with a chance of dying if you have some of a large number of pre-existing conditions."

Now more and more I am hearing "Get infected a little bit you start creating antibodies, so when you get infected more and more by the time you get a heavy load your body is prepared." Sounds a little dicey, like "Seed the grass too thin and it dies, so seed heavily" or some other wacky analogy.

However if there is any truth in it then it could be another justification for the hand washing, mask, instancing, etc.: Keeping "the grass" infestations too thin to survive your body's "weeds" long enough to grow a thick undefeatable "weed bed."

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That sounds like an absolutely terrible idea. If you die, you'll live to regret it. hmmm???

No coming back from death. Even if you don't die there has been a lot of talk about long term harm to your lungs.

I do understand the feeling of lets just get this over with and see what happens, if I knew I wouldn't die I might think about it. But I'm way to big a coward to get infected on purpose.

I think the idea is that you can't avoid getting infected forever. The vaccines still aren't looking very good or very soon.

Further, the suggested precautions can probably only help you avoid getting heavily infected all at once. No bubble is perfectly impermeable. So we can't expect perfect protection and it might not be a good idea anyway. The hygiene, masks, distancing, staying at home, etc. might only slow how much exposure you receive. For most people that lets us develop immunity over time, for others though you might get really sick or worse even with protection.

Going without protection would mean you raise your odds of getting an infection you cannot cope with.

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https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/14/...make-you-sick/

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"Get infected a little bit you start creating antibodies, so when you get infected more and more by the time you get a heavy load your body is prepared."

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That's basically how a lot of vaccines work (certainly historically, though I believe modern vaccines are essentially benign biological "mimics" of the target virus - don't take my word on that though, it's pub science). The very first vaccine, for small pox was... small pox. Most of the flu shots when I was a kid were doses of the flu. Given in controlled doses where the subject can be observed for the next few weeks it can be a very safe method of inoculation.

I imagine this where we might end up going with Corona but there would be two obstacles to overcome: 1. doing enough research and testing to know what a "controlled dose" is (or even if a controlled dose is possible) and 2: knowing for sure that antibody immunity is a thing (I believe that's still the consensus but I think we're still waiting for a proof one way or the other - unless someone can update me on that).

I'm not sure I'd rely on measures like hand washing, mask wearing etc. to achieve a sort of Heath Robinson inoculation program but it feels like a step in the right direction. It can't hurt.

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Now more and more I am hearing "Get infected a little bit you start creating antibodies, so when you get infected more and more by the time you get a heavy load your body is prepared." Sounds a little dicey, like "Seed the grass too thin and it dies, so seed heavily" or some other wacky analogy.

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This sounds like a terrible idea, my Sister in-law who is in her 30's and has no underlying conditions had Covid mildly in April, she is now suffering from chronic fatigue syndrome. About half the week she struggles to even get out of bed. She is in a support group with others who are suffering the same as her and she says that there are thousand of people who are struggling like her.

I good friend of mine who is a Nurse got Covid in May, at one point she though she might die, however in side 3 weeks she had pretty much fully recovered. Her Husband and kids had very very mild symptoms and are completely fine.

I know these are anecdotal but they align with studies which say that Covid can have long term effects for some people even if they have mild symptoms, and that younger people are not immune to this virus and some can still be effected in a significant way. It not just and old persons disease

We are still learning about the Virus, i read an article the other day which said that recent studies suggested immuno response levels for people who have had Covid mildly dramatically fall after 3 months.

I for one wont be gambling with my health by purposefully putting myself in harms way and i dont have any risk factors, what we know is changing all the time.

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I'd been thinking more or less "Get infected, you get sick with a chance of dying if you have some of a large number of pre-existing conditions."

Now more and more I am hearing "Get infected a little bit you start creating antibodies, so when you get infected more and more by the time you get a heavy load your body is prepared." Sounds a little dicey, like "Seed the grass too thin and it dies, so seed heavily" or some other wacky analogy.

However if there is any truth in it then it could be another justification for the hand washing, mask, instancing, etc.: Keeping "the grass" infestations too thin to survive your body's "weeds" long enough to grow a thick undefeatable "weed bed."

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And drag a bunch of people down with your plan? You could just crash your car into a crowd instead :rolleyes:

I think I'm reading Dil differently to you guys. I don't think he's saying you should deliberately expose yourself but rather, given that you probably can't 100% avoid exposure, take all the recommended measures (hand washing etc) to minimise that exposure and hope anything you catch is mild.

To be honest, though, while we have some control over frequency of exposure, I don't think there's anything we can do to try and ensure a "mild dose". You're going to catch it or you're not and, if you catch it, it's going to take hold or it isn't. After that all bets are off.

Viruses have a way of turning mild into major. They reproduce, after all. I doubt there is any way to ensure a small or mild dose.

I'm somewhat optimistic about the chances of a viable vaccine. Not this month or next, but quite possibly before the end of the year. It may still fall through, but what makes me more optimistic is the fact that companies are ramping up production lines in anticipation. That was the second half of a vaccine, which I thought might not happen. If we got a vaccine, but could only produce a thousand doses a week, we might as well not have one at all. Instead, we'll be able to produce a few billion doses a month before we even know whether or not the vaccine works. Now all we need is for the vaccine to work...

Pasteur Institute is working on one and human test are beginning https://translate.google.fr/translat...2381915_40.php

Yeah, I'm not saying "do this" but instead "this is what we are doing" (using imperfect PPE and practices). So "the plan" is to observe all of the recommended precautions.

Perhaps the slow infection that inevitably occurs might still be valuable even if ineffective at keeping you from getting infected at all. The whole thing hinges on the idea of repeated low-exposure having value, as opposed to high-dose exposure getting you really sick and perhaps succumbing. Supposedly getting repeated low exposure gives your body time to create increasing levels of antibodies.

If that isn't true then this rationalization falls apart. I'm not saying the theory is fact, just that I've heard this as a justification for observing the imperfect precautions we have available to us... and in passing avoiding overloading the health care system with too many severe cases.

I must not be expressing this well. I'm not suggesting people tear off their masks and run out and rub up against each other naked breathing hard on each other in close proximity.

My point is that masks, isolation, hand washing, etc. are probably still a good idea even if they are imperfect protection. In other words even some protection might be a lot better than no protection. A mask might only screen out 5% from getting to you but keep 75% of your viral spew from puffing out in great clouds exposing others when you cough, sneeze, or pontificate at high volume.

Or are some of you pretending masks are magical, providing an impermeable protective forcefield? Sorry to "burst your bubble." ;)

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Or are some of you pretending masks are magical, providing an impermeable protective forcefield? Sorry to "burst your bubble." ;)

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Stop spreading your lies. I wore my mask the other day and a car bounced right off me.

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Viruses have a way of turning mild into major. They reproduce, after all. I doubt there is any way to ensure a small or mild dose.

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That's what I thought as well. So I had discredited the "gradual low-dose" idea when I first heard it back in March. However this seems to be gaining popularity with (or at least being repeated more by) moderate voices in the medical community.

It doesn't promise a solution, it merely provide more justification to continue with protective practices even acknowledging their imperfection.

There certainly does seem to be some evidence that getting a large dose up front is worse, and that would make sense. If one lung cell gets infected, builds clones, releases them to infect other cells, etc., then the invasion starts slow and ramps up, giving the body time. If you get a thousand lung cells infected at first, then you're starting from further up the line, but with no time to ramp up the response. Thus it makes sense that a large initial dose would be worse than a small initial dose. However, if you have other compromising issues, then even a small dose would be enough. So, while the large dose ought to be worse, and looks like it is, a small dose is still a pretty good risk.

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I dunno, sounds like my kinda party. Probably best still wear protection though.

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Is there a source on that? My working assumption is that the volume of the initial dose might affect the chances of you becoming infected but wouldn't affect how badly that infection would affect you. I'm basing that on the general behaviour of viruses, though, rather than specific Corona information.

What John Campbell has been saying lately is that with a light viral load the infection may be occurring in the upper respiratory tract, and mainly getting down and into the alveolae when one has a heavy viral load.

Recently however he has been hedging, saying things like "the evidence for that isn't unequivocal yet, but it does seem to make a lot of sense."

Here, the french government just decided today that the mask will be mandatory in any closed public areas (stores, any public office, etc.) from august 1st because of signs that the epidemic is coming back.

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Is there a source on that? My working assumption is that the volume of the initial dose might affect the chances of you becoming infected but wouldn't affect how badly that infection would affect you.

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Not from me, no. That was anecdotal evidence out of NYC medical workers, which was mostly frantic, not systematic, observation. It was reported that those that got an estimated large dose, seemed to have worse outcomes. Actual dose wasn't measured, though, so it's estimation only. That's not worthless, it would just have to be backed up....by a particularly diabolical study.

We can't measure the amount of virus we're getting anyway.

As I see it that doesn't matter. All it does is provide yet another possible reason to wear masks, wash hands, and keep your distance. Maybe if they said Santa Claus was watching mask wearing it would help encourage young people. "Young people" seems to extend to 35 or 40 years old these days. Peter Pan had nothing on Millennials.

If you like maps and charts try https://www.covidexitstrategy.org/ (US only).

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Here, the french government just decided today that the mask will be mandatory in any closed public areas (stores, any public office, etc.) from august 1st because of signs that the epidemic is coming back.

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That doesn't make sense to me. Why would you wait 18 day to start trying to stem the spread. Is this just more stupidity or is there a logical reason that waiting 18 days is better than starting today. Maybe I'm missing something.

The beginning comedy skit is on topic.

The movie reviews maybe be useful if you have run out of stuff to watch. These VCR Repair guys liked "Vast of Night" which I may have suggested many pages ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNz4H4V-SBI

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Yeah, that's the sort of stuff I'm judging off of too. Still, I don't imagine a smaller dose can be worse in any way.

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They're doing the same over here. The argument for the delay is that it allows shops time to train staff and sort out signage and the public time to buy masks if they haven't already. I'm not saying this is a good argument but it is the one being offered. And I can see that handing out fines to members of the public before they've had a chance to get a mask is unfair.

I see it as the date you "must" be doing it from (or be punished), before that it is desired but not enforced.

Apparently the use of face coverings has increased a lot in the UK over the last month or two, and keeps on rising (but is still lower than most major countries). I don't know how they are measuring it, but I'm willing to bet I'm not being counted: I bought masks a couple of years ago, and I don't normally cover my face while walking down the street - so wont get spotted on CCTV.

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Yeah, that's the sort of stuff I'm judging off of too. Still, I don't imagine a smaller dose can be worse in any way.

They're doing the same over here. The argument for the delay is that it allows shops time to train staff and sort out signage and the public time to buy masks if they haven't already. I'm not saying this is a good argument but it is the one being offered. And I can see that handing out fines to members of the public before they've had a chance to get a mask is unfair.

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Yes that's the one given in France too. At first it was not understandable for me as all stores in Paris area are already ready and equipped but I remembered that Brittany was almost not touched by the covid and that almost nobody wear a mask there so they may be some areas in France that are not well prepared and equipped. It was said also in the publication that the stores should be able to give a mask to someone that don't have one and want to enter. The government can be naive sometimes, no store will do that...

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I see it as the date you "must" be doing it from (or be punished), before that it is desired but not enforced.

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And as they will have to enforce that through a law or a decree, they have to write it, to vote it, etc. for the moment it was an announcement.

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Me neither. I pop it on just before I enter a shop (or join the back of a queue).

Honestly, the numbers I'm seeing wearing a mask in my local supermarket are probably lower now than when this initially kicked off. There was an initial surge of mask wearing (I'm quietly convinced that lot of guys jumped at the chance to look gangsta) but it quickly dropped off to almost zero. I thought I'd see a rise following the announcement but haven't yet. I'm going shopping later today, though, so perhaps it'll have gone up.

Boise is now adding a mandatory mask requirement, both inside and in public outside areas.

Well our "must wear masks in public" mandate was warned on the 9th, details announced on the 10th, and took effect on the 13th. The order covers public indoor spaces and any crowded public outdoor spaces. The only serious controversy was around reporting and enforcement.

Store employees don't want to try policing it, but they are required to refuse service. Cops don't have guidance on how to write a citation for it, but it's a misdemeanor with a $500 fine.

Coronavirus hospital data will now be sent to Trump administration instead of CDC

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/14/polit...cdc/index.html

This is to "ostensibly" to improve the data collection. Does anyone really believe that? Now Trump will be hiding the real numbers. We are still weeks away from the full numbers of the current southern out breaks. I'm willing to bet as soon as the data starts coming from the White House everything starts getting better on a daily basis. Trump is a liar and twists everything around trying to make himself look good. He has no issue with constantly lying. He is a real danger to our society. And there is still a large part of our population the that thinks he is great.

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I doubt that. I suspect what they really think is that he is preferable to the Clinton-Bush Axis and its globalist imperialism agenda.

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Most Trump supporters can't even pronounce "Clinton-Bush Axis and its globalist imperialism agenda"...

"Know Your Hellholes"

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Of course it really just shows that when you compress down to a binary scale you lose all nuance.

It really does. Most of Idaho is untouched, or very lightly touched (except in the head...there, they are touched). On the other hand, most of Idaho can't travel to NY because they'd have to leave the state to find any means to go there, aside from by car, which would also mean leaving the state, of course. There are only about three airports in the state served by any major carriers, and at least two of those are in the highest infection rate areas. Those points may be related.

The bulk of the state has only a few mediocre roads to get them to pretty much anywhere...and a major rockslide closed the only viable N-S highway. The only other option at the time of the slide was only passable by high clearance vehicles (and bikes, but it's an amazing road dropping several thousand feet in a couple miles. At this point, the state is pretty nearly cut in half, with the vast majority of infections being in the southern half.

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Yeah, that's the sort of stuff I'm judging off of too. Still, I don't imagine a smaller dose can be worse in any way.

They're doing the same over here. The argument for the delay is that it allows shops time to train staff and sort out signage and the public time to buy masks if they haven't already. I'm not saying this is a good argument but it is the one being offered. And I can see that handing out fines to members of the public before they've had a chance to get a mask is unfair.

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Lets see. Put the elastic straps around your ear and keep it on, training over. No signs necessary if masks are mandatory. No fines, just warnings for two weeks, refuse entry. So lets get started, lol

What is wrong with the people of Europe and the US, the governments are still afraid to take decisive action. Might upset the public. Your gonna get the countries back open sooner by stop counting on the public to do the right thing. What in our history would make them think that would work.

Anyway, that's my daily rant.

We have an old SAC B-52 base that has been repurposed in part as a small "major" airport for national and international flights in the U.P. and six more down here "Under The Bridge." Yeah, yoopers sometimes call us "trolls" with much the same regard they have for "da cheeseheads and da danged raynchurs, you betcha."

Even many natives on the res there speak with that twisted-Finnish accent. It's a hoot.

Oh yeah, "raynchurs" ("rangers") are people from the Iron Range in neighboring "Minnersota" (Minnesota). Some will call it "the I-ran Range" to make them mad.

They don't get out much.

We got a new PSA video designed to appeal to the couch jockstraps:

https://youtu.be/tNx5CJacIdE

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It really does. Most of Idaho is untouched, or very lightly touched (except in the head...there, they are touched). On the other hand, most of Idaho can't travel to NY because they'd have to leave the state to find any means to go there, aside from by car, which would also mean leaving the state, of course. There are only about three airports in the state served by any major carriers, and at least two of those are in the highest infection rate areas. Those points may be related.

The bulk of the state has only a few mediocre roads to get them to pretty much anywhere...and a major rockslide closed the only viable N-S highway. The only other option at the time of the slide was only passable by high clearance vehicles (and bikes, but it's an amazing road dropping several thousand feet in a couple miles. At this point, the state is pretty nearly cut in half, with the vast majority of infections being in the southern half.

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Went to Yellowstone @ 8yrs ago. Came up from 80 in Wells Nv. Spent the night at Twin Falls. I really enjoyed the drive, I like farm land, it's in my blood. Like the 75mph speed limit on parts of the highways. Made from Twin Falls to West Yellowstone in @ 4 or 5 hrs. Easy drive.

Speed limit is 80, now.

Wells NV...that's quite the place. Last time I went through that town, there were two places to eat. One was a truckstop, the other a diner. Turns out, the diner was affiliated with a brothel somewhere on the edge of town. All the waitresses were elderly women. I've always wondered if that was the retirement package?

We got some increases to 65 and 75 here and there a while back: https://www.michigan.gov/documents/m...p_558274_7.pdf

But no 80 MPH.

In late April things were pretty locked-down here and I went out for a drive. No traffic, no cops so I didn't get nabbed for unauthorized travel. No traffic and I had the car out of "Econ mode" and before I knew it I was doing over 90.

Got to be careful, cars have event data recorders now that record your speed. Supposed to be a 30 second recording but... hmm.

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Speed limit is 80, now.

Wells NV...that's quite the place. Last time I went through that town, there were two places to eat. One was a truckstop, the other a diner. Turns out, the diner was affiliated with a brothel somewhere on the edge of town. All the waitresses were elderly women. I've always wondered if that was the retirement package?

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Didn't know any place had 80mph speed limit. I need to get out more.

Those ladies might be working two jobs. What do you expect in Wells.

I went for an evening drive and a burger and shake. Headed out toward Zona Infectada but not quite that far into the war zone.

BK was out of Whopper patties, but I was just after a Rodeo which they said they could do. Got to the window and "burger grill not working" so I got free chicken nuggets instead. Probably had been shut down when the Whoppers ran out. Weird. COVID meat shortages?

Radio had a news story. Same dollar store deeper into Zona Infectada I had shopped in back in late June... some guy wiped his nose on a staff member when they told him had needed a mask to shop there. Charged with assault & battery.

Radio had a PSA from a dental association. "Marijuana rots your teeth worse than sugar, causes oral and throat cancers faster than chewing tobacco, is co-morbid with COVID-19, and can lead to violent psychotic breaks whether smoked or eaten in a brownie. The facts are in, get off the dope."

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Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker

Speed limit is 80, now.

Wells NV...that's quite the place. Last time I went through that town, there were two places to eat. One was a truckstop, the other a diner. Turns out, the diner was affiliated with a brothel somewhere on the edge of town. All the waitresses were elderly women. I've always wondered if that was the retirement package?

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Must be a big change for them though...being on your feet all day ;)

The Moron in Chief has been going on and on for months how he saved thousands of lives with the China travel ban he put in place (leaving out he did almost nothing in February). The latest study from New York is showing there was community spread before that. Even his bull hockey is bull hockey...

Lots of discussion now of various rashes being COVID-19 symptoms.

Can't tell how much is true, how much is scrambling for understanding, and how much is blaming everything on this disease.

Disappearance of covid-19 data from CDC website spurs outcry

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...ge%2Fstory-ans

I didn't think my disdain for Trump and his "basket of deplorables" could be greater but it is up another notch today. To hide the damage they have done with their mishandling of this pandemic they are going to hide the information. Where is the outrage?