Jake, where have you been? Your profile says your last activity was earlier today. Do you have an ETA on your computer yet?
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Jake, where have you been? Your profile says your last activity was earlier today. Do you have an ETA on your computer yet?
Johnny English wants in on the project as well. He doesn't think it's fair that I'm the only team member working on the compiler and linker (2 of the hardest most difficult things to work on when making a language) while you guys only make IDE's, websites, and logos. So he's gonna work together with me on the compiler and linker.
Sorry I haven't been on the computer much. Been working overtime and got projects to work on at home such as my bedroom, bathroom, dining room, etc. What's an ETA? And how am I suppose to do that without a computer?
:lol: Estimated Time of ArrivalQuote:
Originally Posted by Jacob Roman
Does everyone like the site so far? (http://lightfusion.sf.net) Give me some feed back.
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Originally Posted by Datacide
Sorry guys, but if this project is leading to an independent site, then the graphics and images will need to come off - that would make the graphics advertising for what is potentially a non-jupitermedia site.
Also - the larger graphics need to come out of the sigs.
Brad
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Actually, I talked a bit with Joe (Jupitermedia Forum Manager). He is okay with the discussion continuing, etc.
My issue is with the larger graphics. Those need to be dropped. I'm okay with your smaller graphics, but the ones that get to be ad size we need to avoid.
edit: Clarification - I'm talking the logo graphics in sigs only, not screen shots or other graphics.
Thanks.
Brad!
Sorry for the problem brad. I understand though.
I assume that includes the image in my signature as well?
yeah, let's shrink them down a bit please. Anything much bigger than the below is going to catch my attention....
are the dll's for the IDE?Quote:
Originally Posted by eyeRmonkey
the site is looking great!Quote:
Originally Posted by Datacide
the names under the project members section should link to the SF.NET page for each member.
Looking good. A few things:Quote:
Originally Posted by Datacide
1) Could you remove the logo by penagate or make it blend into the rest of the bar on the left.
2) ChemicalNova is not a member of the project (although he probably will be later on) so you can remove him.
3) According to Jake, Johnny English is now on the project, but as far as I am concerned he is not until he starts posting regularly.
4) There is still not <title> tag in the header of the HTML document so the caption of the titlebar is still just the web address.
5) You should add a link somewhere that says "Development Discussion" that links to this thread.
6) You need to add an SourceForge logo somewhere.
Sorry about that. The banner is removed now.Quote:
Originally Posted by brad jones
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by tr333
I agree. They should link to the proper SF.NET pages for the member. I think the path is something like http://www.sourceforge.net/users/USER_NAMEQuote:
Originally Posted by tr333
if the DLL's are only for the IDE, then why not release the IDE under a different licence to the other stuff (as previously posted). This would allow you to keep the original GPL licence for the compiler/linker/etc.
I might do that. What license should I use then for the IDE?
eyeRmonkey, in your website there is a link for donation (well i was thinking on donating few bucks) then i got this massge after clicking this link
http://images.sourceforge.net/images...ct-support.jpg
Sorry, LightFusion does not accept donations. Please encourage the project admins to opt in to the donation feature
well i am encourage you guys to make a 'donation feature' :)
can't help you with that, since i don't know much about software licenses (except the GPL). it would depend on what license the DLL's are under.Quote:
Originally Posted by eyeRmonkey
OSI approved licenses
Wize, Wow! Thanks a ton! That is awesome. Once we did set it up I was going to encourage people that even a dollar would help, so thanks. It would help right now since I am trying to buy ********** (Randem started charging for it) so we can have a nice install package.
I wanted the account to be under mine or Jake's name, but Datacide offered to open a paypal account for us and since there is interest in this I think I will have him do that.
Datacide, did you get my PM about the SourceForge Logos? Also, could you go ahead and set up that paypal account and send me a PM about how we can work out the details. Thanks.
The licenses are redistributable and that is about all that matters. I have already read a bunch of the OSI licenses and some are too short to cover enough and some are too long to read. I guess I will have to just make some more time for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by tr333
Jake, can you post ANY and ALL syntax rules you have made? Wether they are hand written or slop-ily typed or whatever? Can you get them all into a .doc and post them?
I have decided to shift the focus back to syntax/planning instead of licensing and the IDE (even though I will continue to work on the IDE). Syntax is important at this point and Penagate had a good point when he said that it is more important to be able to explain to someone how to translate a project from VB to LF than it is to be doing other things.
I also want to add to the Ground Rules that we worked on somewhat before and need put some more time into.
Here is a list of the ones we decided on and below that is a list of the original ones posted by CornedBee that were used in developing C++.
Light Fusion Ground Rules for Development:
Aims:
• LightFusion will be easy to learn and will produce standard windows applications without lacking in speed of execution.
• LightFusion will make programming enjoyable for anyone who uses it.
• LightFusion will combine the popular features of languages such as Visual Basic and C++ and add features that seem to be lacking from those languages.
General Rules:
• Always make what the compiler is doing obvious to the programmer (through the syntax, documentation, features, etc) without confusing things too much.
• Don’t force the programmer.
• Every feature must have a reasonably obvious implementation.
Design Support Rules:
• Support composition of software from separately developed parts.
• Support common programmer styles.
• Support program organization and readability.
Language/Technical Rules:
• Use features/syntax from other languages unless there is a good reason not to.
• When in doubt, pick a solution that is easiest to teach and explains what the compiler is doing.
Original C++ Rules for development
Aims:
C++ makes programming more enjoyable for serious programmers.
C++ is a general-purpose programming language that
- is a better C
- supports data abstraction
- supports object-oriented programming
General rules:
C++'s evolution must be driven by real problems.
Don't get involved in a sterile quest for perfection.
C++ must be useful now.
Every feature must have a reasonably obvious implementation.
Always provide a transition path.
C++ is a language, not a complete system.
Provide comprehensive support for each supported style.
Don't try to force people.
Design support rules:
Support sound design notions.
Provide facilities for program organization.
Say what you mean.
All features must be affordable.
It is more important to allow a useful feature than to prevent every misuse.
Support composition of software from separately developed parts.
Language-technical rules:
No implicit violations of the static type system.
Provide as good support for user-defined types as for built-in types.
Locality is good.
Avoid order dependencies.
If in doubt, pick the variant of a feature that is easiest to teach.
Syntax matters (often in perverse ways).
Low-level programming support rules:
Use traditional (dumb) linkers.
No gratuitous incompatibilities with C.
Leave no room for a lower-level language below C++ (except assembler).
What you don't use, you don't pay for (zero-overhead rule).
If in doubt, provide means for manual control.
Current To-Do List:
* Work on and add to ground rules
* Make some decisions on syntax
* Begin taking small VB projects and translating them to LF code to help us in making decisions for LF sytnax
eyeRmonkey, I did get your PM, but each link shows the same image, is it like that on the sf page that you got it from?
As for donations, since your the project lead you may want to set up the PayPal account. It's extremely easy and fast. Although you do have to be 18...
I currently have a personal PayPal account but I doubt the other members would be comfortable with us using that. I wouldn't take off with the money but I don't think you guys know me well enough to know that I wouldn't.
If you want any different sized logos (like for the web page) post or shoot me a PM.
I'm only 17, so that isn't really going to happen. I'd rather have the money under mine or Jake's control, though, so maybe we will just have to wait or maybe Jake can set up an account and give us both access to it. Is that possible Jake?Quote:
Originally Posted by Datacide
Jake, also, how long until you think your computer is ready and have you set up a sourceforge account?
Didn't you say you were going to do some more work on the logos based on the most recent feedback? I think the last thing I would like to see is a SLIGHTLY more blue in the logo. You might want to scroll back though, Wossy and I both had some feedback a couple pages back. If you could try those changes, then I have a few requests for modifications on those (like small images for the help file and different sizes/qualities for icons and such).Quote:
Originally Posted by penagate
Current To-Do List:
* Work on and add to ground rules (Post #777)
* Make some decisions on syntax
* Begin taking small VB projects and translating them to LF code to help us in making decisions for LF sytnax
Donations are now enabled. I set up a paypal account and everything is working fine. You have my full assurance that all donations will be put directly towards the development of LightFusion. At the moment that means buying ********** (its only $15 so it shouldnt take too long until we get that much).Quote:
Originally Posted by wiz126
Even a dollar would be helpful. Thanks. :)
A huge thanks to Datacide again. http://lightfusion.sourceforge.net is coming along great.
I am working on updating the Ground Rules and re-categorizing them, but I would really appriciate some output from other people on it.
Jake, once again, do you have an idea of how long it will be until your computer is done? Also, can you type-up and post any info on syntax that you have decided.
In the mean time, here is a .doc I made of all the syntax suggestions I have seen thus far. Please take a few minutes and read over it and familiarize yourself with where we are as far as syntax.
the website is loooking great!
wouldn't take much effort to convert to XHTML transitional...
main thing would be to close all tags (even single tags).
eg. change <br> to <br />, <link> to <link />, <img> to <img /> etc.
also lowercase for all tags and attributes.
W3C XHTML Markup Validation results for lightfusion.sf.net
Differences between HTML and XHTML
Bah. XHTML Strict ;)
EM, I am still fiddling with logos. Let me know what sizes you want.
Can you expand on this
Better than what?Quote:
• Better select case
XHTML Strict validation results
XHTML also requires you to set the character encoding and the following html tag:
(change the xml:lang to en-US or other)HTML Code:<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en-GB">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" />
and change the presentation attributes (bgcolor, align, etc.) to CSS.
Uh, yeah, I kow how to code in XHTML, but honestly, have any of you ever successfully made a practical site with it?
Did you mean strict or?
http://www.klubbscenen.com/
http://www.noteme.com/doomsharp/
http://www.noteme.com/
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XHTML is the future of HTML, so why not start using it now.
HTML 4.01 will be deprecated in the future and browsers will stop supporting it.
I meant without a template and without Dreamweaver ;)
I'm just remembering the time time when I decided to switch over completely to XHTML Strict. The page would never show up because there would always be something wrong, like an invalid tag or something. And then when I finanly fixed all the problems (and had the site looking like crap), it turned out that my server doesn't support XHTML! :(
:lol: lol it's hard enough getting HTML to work properly in Internet Exploiter.
i would agree with that. :bigyello:Quote:
Originally Posted by Datacide
:lol: Internet Exploiter :D
Sorry for not being on. Been in Cocoa Beach for 3 days visiting an old friend of mine whos a girl. When I get home later on today, I will answer all questions that eyeRmonkey's been asking. And I'll try and get Johnny in. ;)
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Originally Posted by Datacide
All those pages are written in Notepad...;)...without a template...;) From scratch baby...now rate me and shut it..:D:D:D
Oh sorry, NoteMe, I just thought I saw that layout for DoomSharp() somewhere before and the massive TABs in the source threw me off.
Yeah, the tabs are a bit weird...don't think my linux server likes that I write the code in Notepad..:)
BTW I must admitt that I looked at an other page when I drew/designed it. This one:
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/deer...es/alpha2.html
But every line is written by me..:)
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Lies!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacob Roman
chem
Ok, if you say so...Quote:
Originally Posted by NoteMe
I <3 you tr333!!!!1!11!! I hate not seeing XHTML. Transitional is probably more than enough though. Strict is just exessive IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by tr333
I'll wait until you are done fiddling until I request sizes (I have a few in mind though).Quote:
Originally Posted by penagate
Ummm. No I can't expand on that, because I think it was from one of those threads I started on "What whould you change about ___ if you had the chance and I think that is all the person said"
Yes, my site is in XHTML (transitional): http://www.jortal.tk (login is: guest password is: guest123 --- Very secure, I know, I know). It would be good if you could do it all in XHTML, but its not a huge deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Datacide
Have fun on vacation?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacob Roma
Sorry for asking the same question so many times, I just wasn't sure if you were alive or not. ;) Johnny PM'ed me and said you misunderstood him, he said that he doesn't want to join the project, but may help sometimes and thats it.
I think what you are talking about isn't a better select case but rather Structured Error Handling. IE, a Try, Catch, Finally type structure.
chem