i DO NOT support him
i said i might AS well if everything he does is said to be according to Islam, and for Islam
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i DO NOT support him
i said i might AS well if everything he does is said to be according to Islam, and for Islam
The more you contratict yourself, the more foolish you look.Quote:
Originally posted by kovan
i DO NOT support him
i said i might AS well if everything he does is said to be according to Islam, and for Islam
akinsley how is that contridicting myself?
i said i do not support him, but i should be supporting him if every idiot like you think he is doing this according to Islam
last time i checked that was not a contridiction
Hmm so lemme get this straight. What your saying is that you might as well support him cause he does all his crap in the name of Islam. Right....ok...so if i said i could smuggle a nuke into jeruselem and set it off, killing millions of innocent people...in the name of Islam...you would support me?? How heartwarming.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by kovan
i DO NOT support him
i said i might AS well if everything he does is said to be according to Islam, and for Islam
Nevermind :oQuote:
Originally posted by kovan
akinsley how is that contridicting myself?
i said i do not support him, but i should be supporting him if every idiot like you think he is doing this according to Islam
last time i checked that was not a contridiction
Kovan....please try to actually listen to my responses.Quote:
Originally posted by kovan
how ever its controlled
you get LARGE amounts of it
and tomorrow, if iraq was to offer "you" more than what they get
you would join sides with iraq, like you did in the Iran/Iraq war
When Iran was invading Iraq and indiscriminately killing people, we helped the country that was being invaded. When Iraq began invading Kuwait and indiscriminately killing Kurdish and Israelian people, we helped.
If all we were interested in was the oil we would have stood by Iraq. The very fact that we didn't speaks to the fact that we are NOT just interested in the oil. Isn't that proof enough that your statement above is pure, unadulterated BS?????
Its pretty darn stupid either way...Quote:
Originally posted by kovan
akinsley how is that contridicting myself?
i said i do not support him, but i should be supporting him if every idiot like you think he is doing this according to Islam
last time i checked that was not a contridiction
Sadaam says he is acting in the name of Islam. Osamin Ben Ladin says he is acting in the name of Islam. What are we supposed to think? How are the rest of us supposed to know whether they are or aren't? They have an awful lot of people following them who also say they are acting in the name of Islam. Are we supposed to believe them or you, kovan?
All good and saidQuote:
When Iran was invading Iraq and indiscriminately killing people, we helped the country that was being invaded. When Iraq began invading Kuwait and indiscriminately killing Kurdish and Israelian people, we helped.
but but...
where was US from 1975 and on
when invaded the Kurdish land in the north and as you say "indiscriminately" killing kurds..
right, because back then they had no control of the oil
in 1992 they did have some control of the oil
and you saw ho quick US jumped in
get it through your head,
its all about how much oil you can offer
and the iraq/iran war was not about killing of iraqies
it was about US vs IRAN
US didnt directly want to be in war with Iran,
so they found a puppet, saddam
to be their war geek againts iran
you might wanna check your history before you present it
who exactly is following saddam? other than the Baath Party in iraq?Quote:
Originally posted by barrk
Sadaam says he is acting in the name of Islam. Osamin Ben Ladin says he is acting in the name of Islam. What are we supposed to think? How are the rest of us supposed to know whether they are or aren't? They have an awful lot of people following them who also say they are acting in the name of Islam. Are we supposed to believe them or you, kovan?
acting is just about the right wordQuote:
Sadaam says he is acting in the name of Islam.
because the rest of the muslim world sees it is acting
IF GIVEN THE CHANCE
saddam would start to wipe the world out, and he would start with "muslim"
well he already had, but he was stopped
In 1975 the UN was pretty much innoperable because of the high of the Cold War. Since both the US and the USSR were on the permanent security council, their co-operation was required for any resolution to pass through. As a result, most military actions conducted since the UN's inception to 1992 were independent from the UN itself.Quote:
Originally posted by kovan
where was US from 1975 and on
when invaded the Kurdish land in the north and as you say "indiscriminately" killing kurds..
In 1992 the Cold War had ended.Quote:
right, because back then they had no control of the oil
in 1992 they did have some control of the oil
and you saw ho quick US jumped in
How much oil did the Albanians of Kosovo offer?Quote:
get it through your head,
its all about how much oil you can offer
Tone down your hostility. You've already lost at least one friend in this discussion.Quote:
you might wanna check your history before you present it
friends?
which one is that?
i dont need "friends" to have a discussion
Then what is OPEC katie?Quote:
The oil in that region is now, was then and will always be controlled by OPEC. How do you figure we "got LOTS"???
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I believe that it was Iraq's fault when it attacked on Iran,kurds, and Kwait but in my opinion(I may be a little wrong):
Iran, Kwait has all the people shias in it (which is an other group of muslims other then sunis (which Iraq is)) so Iraq may have attacked when it thought that they were sunis and the other were shias. That was a stupid mistake but in Pakistan, there is fighting between shia and suni groups even if both are muslims.
Isreal is nothing better than Iraq if it does not have US money and NATO support. US is giving money every year to attack on poor Palestinians who don't have much power. When they through stones, Bush blames on them that they are terrorist, and when IDF bombs on them and attacks with F-16 and rocket, you say that they are paying back. So, the biggest threat in that area is Isreal and US which has also put its forces in Saudi Arabia (how weak is Arabia?)
There is nobody else that sadam who can have war with any western country and Isreal. Everybody else thinks that you will get peace by just political talk which I have 100% sure that you won't get from any of the westerns or Isreal unless you give them the power of your country or put their forces in
Saddam have done mistakes but if there would be somebody else like saddam but had not attacked any muslim country then I would take him in the place of saddam (but there is none yet)
Saddam had not done any Jihad before but if he will have war with Isreal then I will call it Jihad.
Everbody who thinks that US is doing right is stupid.
-US threw the atomic bomb on Japan and it also says to everybody else that don't make an neuclear bomb
-US is now working on missile defence system which is the most dangerous one in this world. (who is the threat now?)
...I have to do a little work and I will be comming back....
It's too bad we cant't try to teach their children sensible things, because that's a human rights violation.Quote:
Originally posted by nishantp
Dont bother Katie:rolleyes: That load of crap is engraved into his head. I only hope that the next generations will have some more sense in them.
You and i both know that Chetien doesnt care what you or i think about him:rolleyes: as long as hees in power with his fat 140 K salary i dont think he gives a S***.Quote:
Originally posted by aknisely
It's absolutely sick, I'm leaving at my earliest convenience. I might even write a letter to the Parliament of Canada to let them know why I'm leaving.
Uhm... this sounds like a great thread, but I don't feel like reading 80+ posts. I just have a couple of questions...
Judiahism is older than Islam, right? The Jews claim the land of Dan, the land of Isreal and the city of Jereshalom (which I can't seem to spell right now) as holy.
I guess they get first dibs, I don't know what the rules are on fight for religious meccas (pun intended).
Let me see, the UN gave Palestine (which was owned by the UK) to the Jews, right?
I have the truth into my head - no crap or sh*t. Read my previous postQuote:
Originally posted by nishantp
Dont bother Katie:rolleyes: That load of crap is engraved into his head. I only hope that the next generations will have some more sense in them.
Actually, I think it was a 140k raise. And I'm not addressing it to the Prime Minister's office; rather, the Parliament of Canada.Quote:
Originally posted by nishantp
You and i both know that Chetien doesnt care what you or i think about him:rolleyes: as long as hees in power with his fat 140 K salary i dont think he gives a S***.
What balisitic missles??:confused:Quote:
Originally posted by abdul
those blastic missiles (sorry if I can't name it correctly)
Is he talking about the Patriot missile defense system?Quote:
Originally posted by barrk
What balisitic missles??:confused:
Sort of. After WWII, there were thousands of Jews whose lives were destroyed by the war. They were, at the moment, living on ships -- some without clothing, and scarce amounts of food. No other country allowed them in -- what nation could survive thousands of impoverished people, especially after the war? Well, the British Mandatory Government of Palestine was looking for a back door, having lost most of its empire anyway. So, the Jews took control of Israel, created the Law of Return, and everybody's happy.Quote:
Originally posted by CiberTHuG
Let me see, the UN gave Palestine (which was owned by the UK) to the Jews, right?
Except the Arabs.
Yep the Jewish religion is older than Islam. As my understanding goes, both consider the city of Jerusalem (which I can't spell either) to be holy. Palestine was given to the Jews.Quote:
Originally posted by CiberTHuG
Uhm... this sounds like a great thread, but I don't feel like reading 80+ posts. I just have a couple of questions...
Judiahism is older than Islam, right? The Jews claim the land of Dan, the land of Isreal and the city of Jereshalom (which I can't seem to spell right now) as holy.
I guess they get first dibs, I don't know what the rules are on fight for religious meccas (pun intended).
Let me see, the UN gave Palestine (which was owned by the UK) to the Jews, right?
So the UNs role was limited to relief.Quote:
Originally posted by aknisely
Sort of. After WWII, there were thousands of Jews whose lives were destroyed by the war. They were, at the moment, living on ships -- some without clothing, and scarce amounts of food. No other country allowed them in -- what nation could survive thousands of impoverished people, especially after the war? Well, the British Mandatory Government of Palestine was looking for a back door, having lost most of its empire anyway. So, the Jews took control of Israel, created the Law of Return, and everybody's happy.
Except the Arabs.
How exactly did the government switch over? Did the Jews move into Israel and sort of out number everyone else in the elections, or did the Mandatory Government get dissolved under someone's orders in favor of the Law of Return?
I don't know what he's referring too. He doesn't have any facts he's just regurgitating whatever hatred and bile he is fed.....he doesn't want to listen to facts either.
I don't know but I have heard of somthing like balistic missiles:Quote:
Originally posted by CiberTHuG
Is he talking about the Patriot missile defense system?
I was pakistan when US attacked with these these missiles on both Pakistan and Afghanistan. it attacked on civilians in Pakistan ( as I know) and one of the villagers (from our village) lost his two legs during that attack. it was not near our village but still, i saw that guy who lost his legs and aftet that, I hate US and say that it is a terrorist
How do you know it was the US?
I'm not exactly sure how the transition came about in detail, I'll ask my mother later on today.Quote:
Originally posted by CiberTHuG
So the UNs role was limited to relief.
How exactly did the government switch over? Did the Jews move into Israel and sort of out number everyone else in the elections, or did the Mandatory Government get dissolved under someone's orders in favor of the Law of Return?
But the official Law of Return didn't surface until 1950. The Declaration of Independence of May 14, 1948 granted the right of return to the State for Jews.
Ah, this is Pakistan/Afganistan, not Isreal.
That is older than my memory. All I know if the USSR occupied Afganistan for the longest time. As to what the US did, I don't know. It was not a full scale mobilization if anything.
But you are wrong to think of the nation as a terrorist when you can't verify what that missile was, and most importantly, who fired it and why.
Living in America we have learned (hopefully) not to trust the media.
Lol Patriots are nowhere near balistic missiles. THey're so crude they barely work (but they do work).
There are no conventional ballistic missles, they are all nuclear....and I am (unlike you) 100% positive that we have NEVER used nuclear weapons against either Pakistan or Afghanistan. Once again, you're dreadfully lacking in facts and very long on rhetoric.
On a tangent, why are you living in America-Lite? Uhm.. I mean Canada. :)
It wasn't about Pakistan/Afganistan until he started losing the argument about Iraq. Then he switched arguments in hopes that we wouldn't notice.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by CiberTHuG
Ah, this is Pakistan/Afganistan, not Isreal.
Yes. Patriots have a very small yeild warhead. I don't know the numbers, but I would imagine it is akin to a hand grenade. They don't really need more than that since their job is to intercept inbound surface-to-surface missiles.Quote:
Originally posted by nishantp
Lol Patriots are nowhere near balistic missiles. THey're so crude they barely work (but they do work).
But yes, the Patriots barely work. As of Desert Storm, their guidance systems were not fast/acurate enough to provide reliable results.
"I am a little boy in Ontario, Canada. A guy named abdul severly beat me up and left me in a back alley to die. I hate him and i think he is the incarnation of evil."Quote:
Originally posted by abdul
I don't know but I have heard of somthing like balistic missiles:
I was pakistan when US attacked with these these missiles on both Pakistan and Afghanistan. it attacked on civilians in Pakistan ( as I know) and one of the villagers (from our village) lost his two legs during that attack. it was not near our village but still, i saw that guy who lost his legs and aftet that, I hate US and say that it is a terrorist
Above is a story i came up with. Any ******* can make something up about the Us or anyone for that matter. IF the US attacked Pakistan with balistic missiles, give a date, and exact facts. Not some some stupid so-called witness account.
you guys are funny. you go from one end of the spectrum to the other. who cares about religion, that fact is Saddaam signed a peace treating saying he won't build his army up and he will let inspectors in and now he is breaking that law, saying no to all of the above, so the UN says take care of it.
I did not have any interest in media or politics when America bombed Pakistan (that is what I heard but after reading some in the news, it talked about the blastic missiles)
I just heard that from the people in Pakistan (the villagers) that "America bombed on Pakistan and Afghanistan"
Surely if the US had dropped missiles in Pakistan then Pakistan would have gone mad and we'd have heard about it in the news?
Ya. In desert Storm, they did stop a few Skuds though. ANyways the point i was making is that Patriots arent surface-to-surface missiles. Abdul probably meant cruise missiles or something like that.Quote:
Originally posted by CiberTHuG
Yes. Patriots have a very small yeild warhead. I don't know the numbers, but I would imagine it is akin to a hand grenade. They don't really need more than that since their job is to intercept inbound surface-to-surface missiles.
But yes, the Patriots barely work. As of Desert Storm, their guidance systems were not fast/acurate enough to provide reliable results.
stop this nonsense!Quote:
Originally posted by nishantp
"I am a little boy in Ontario, Canada. A guy named abdul severly beat me up and left me in a back alley to die. I hate him and i think he is the incarnation of evil."
Above is a story i came up with. Any ******* can make something up about the Us or anyone for that matter. IF the US attacked Pakistan with balistic missiles, give a date, and exact facts. Not some some stupid so-called witness account.
As I said, it was some years ago and I can remember much about it
Yes, Pakistan should have gone mad but what could go other than just going mad? America was more powerfull than PakistanQuote:
Originally posted by Pix
Surely if the US had dropped missiles in Pakistan then Pakistan would have gone mad and we'd have heard about it in the news?
I missed that arguement. My only complaint there was we helped re-instate a Monarchy.Quote:
Originally posted by barrk
It wasn't about Pakistan/Afganistan until he started losing the argument about Iraq. Then he switched arguments in hopes that we wouldn't notice.:rolleyes:
While I'm not completely agianst monarchies, it just bothers me to be in a nation that is so about democracy, but so willing to ignore that to save oil. Wait... so willing to ignore that to make money.
I would say we don't do enough in places like Yugoslavia, but I know that if we got involved it would be another Vietnam.
In anycase, Iraq deserved the whoopin' it got. :) I think we should've invaded, dissolved the government, and forced the people to reform it after we helped re-establish an infrastructure. I think once you have a sound economy and an educated populace, you reduce your chances of having a lunatic leader. But I'm just dreaming big now.
Which news agencies are you listening to?? When was this? Hell even a year would make it easier for people to understand. What are you talking about?Quote:
Originally posted by abdul
I did not have any interest in media or politics when America bombed Pakistan (that is what I heard but after reading some in the news, it talked about the blastic missiles)
I just heard that from the people in Pakistan (the villagers) that "America bombed on Pakistan and Afghanistan"
If you can't remember much about it then how can you be certain that you've got your facts right?Quote:
Originally posted by abdul
stop this nonsense!
As I said, it was some years ago and I can remember much about it
I see, You remember just enough to hate us. :rolleyes: Whether the facts are even remotely accurate doesn't matter.Quote:
As I said, it was some years ago and I can remember much about it
Sshht. That's rational thinking.Quote:
Originally posted by Pix
If you can't remember much about it then how can you be certain that you've got your facts right?
You want to complain about America but are willing to roll over and take it up the butt when Soviet troops march down the new highway in Afganistan that they helped build. :)Quote:
Originally posted by abdul
Yes, Pakistan should have gone mad but what could go other than just going mad? America was more powerfull than Pakistan
So anyway, why are you living in Canada?
nonsense!! Prove it!! Prove to me and the people here that what you said is any more credible than my story!! Your asccusing a nation of attacking another, and you seem pretty angry about it, and you have no idea when it happened. how convenient for you.Quote:
Originally posted by abdul
stop this nonsense!
As I said, it was some years ago and I can remember much about it
Yes, that is called brainwashing Abdul.Quote:
Originally posted by barrk
I see, You remember just enough to hate us. :rolleyes: Whether the facts are even remotely accurate doesn't matter.
Or maybe MS Propaganda. :)
I hate terrorists. I don't just hate US, I also hate Russia because I have also seen a video clips of russian soldiers cutting throat of chechan muslimQuote:
Originally posted by barrk
I see, You remember just enough to hate us. :rolleyes: Whether the facts are even remotely accurate doesn't matter.
I've seen pictures of dead Americans that have been tortured and hung blindfolded and broken by people of your faith. It does not give me reason to hate all muslims.
With that logic I should say that I hate Isreali Muslims because I've seen video clips of them bombing cafe's and killing innocents.Quote:
Originally posted by abdul
I hate terrorists. I don't just hate US, I also hate Russia because I have also seen a video clips of russian soldiers cutting throat of chechan muslim
*shrug*
katie, US is not getting money from OPEC or "kuwait" and "north iraq"
?
wow, your like what
43?
one would think age would give you some intelligence
it looks like you have a mind of a 2 year old when it involves US and Oil
and yes, that is a DIRECT attack on your intelligence
everyone knows US is getting Billions if not trillions from oil productions in middle east
I'm sorry, I have to insult your intellegence because your argument was not only a grammatical eyesore, but it didn't contain any information.Quote:
Originally posted by kovan
katie, US is not getting money from OPEC or "kuwait" and "north iraq"
?
wow, your like what
43?
one would think age would give you some intelligence
it looks like you have a mind of a 2 year old when it involves US and Oil
and yes, that is a DIRECT attack on your intelligence
everyone knows US is getting Billions if not trillions from oil productions in middle east
From where is the US getting money from OPEC and Iraq or Kuwait?
I'm 42....but anyway. Perhaps US oil companies are profiting from the alliance with oil producing nations, but believe me the US as a nation is not profiting....unless you mean in respect to not being gouged as badly by OPEC.
Once again....a knee jerk reaction without any actual facts to back it up.Quote:
everyone knows US is getting Billions if not trillions from oil productions in middle east
The majority of the OPEC members are not our friends why would they give us billions if not trillions???
My grandmother in Tel Aviv takes the bus to the supermarket every week for food. She gets on the bus in fear because at any moment, the bus could explode into flames. After seeing the inside of a gas chamber, she comes to Israel to live. She was a nurse. She helped sick people. And now she lives in the middle of terrorists.Quote:
Originally posted by abdul
I hate terrorists. I don't just hate US, I also hate Russia because I have also seen a video clips of russian soldiers cutting throat of chechan muslim
I don't hate you. I don't hate muslims. In fact, I don't really hate the terrorists because they were raised like this in the first place. How could they know any different?
Hate is a tool that you use to destroy, conquer, and kill. The sooner you realize that your hate isn't doing anyone any good, the sooner we my grandmother can live in peace.
facts?
fact is the oil pipes that go through "kurdistan"
in north iraq, i have seen them with my OWN eyez
thats just in the north
and your sitting there to tell me that US did all that war for free?
as a "nation" and average joe you might not profit from the oil
but certainly the US military is profiting from the funds
i have seen fact with my own eyez
where is your facts?
as long as muslims are opressed, killed, tortured, there will be fearQuote:
Originally posted by aknisely
My grandmother in Tel Aviv takes the bus to the supermarket every week for food. She gets on the bus in fear because at any moment, the bus could explode into flames. After seeing the inside of a gas chamber, she comes to Israel to live. She was a nurse. She helped sick people. And now she lives in the middle of terrorists.
I don't hate you. I don't hate muslims. In fact, I don't really hate the terrorists because they were raised like this in the first place. How could they know any different?
Hate is a tool that you use to destroy, conquer, and kill. The sooner you realize that your hate isn't doing anyone any good, the sooner we my grandmother can live in peace.
when you give muslims thee basic human rights, you will be given peace
so that your grandma can go to the supermarket without any fear of the bus being blown up
So...oil pipes go through Northern Iraq. What does that have to do with us getting trillions from oil? That's not a fact at all! We have not recieved any funds to profit by. Where are you getting this information?
Read my previous posts, kovan. I have already answered your questions. You have yet to answer even one of mine.
First off, well said, Adam.
Yes, there are US oil companies and employees in the Mid-East. And like Katie said, companies are not the nation. We have a free market and we can do that sort of thing. But I think most of our companies are based in Saudi Arabia.Quote:
Originally posted by barrk
I'm 42....but anyway. Perhaps US oil companies are profiting from the alliance with oil producing nations, but believe me the US as a nation is not profiting....unless you mean in respect to not being gouged as badly by OPEC.
Anyway, I think it more important to point out that the US Industrial Behemoth makes money producing cars, planes, flying people, delivering parcles by 10am, and dumping plastics all because we use oil with reckless abandon. We import most of our oil, which means we pay for it. And OPEC gets as much from us as they can.
But paying for oil is an operating expense. We turn a heavy profit from using oil. We go into the MidEast with guns to protect our profit margin, not because anyone in the MidEast is paying us billions or trillions of dollars.
Another note... every tanker we board and fine for smuggling oil out of Iraq, can cover that fine with the sell of that single ship. We are not (regretably) fining enough to discourage the operation.
Everyone doesnt know that Kovan. In fact you seem to be the only one. HOw exactly is the US getting money from OPEC? The western world is experiencing inflation because of the rising price of oil imposed by OPEC (it is a major reason, not the only one). This includes the US. The rising oil cost is costing the western economies billions not giving it to them.Quote:
Originally posted by kovan
katie, US is not getting money from OPEC or "kuwait" and "north iraq"
?
wow, your like what
43?
one would think age would give you some intelligence
it looks like you have a mind of a 2 year old when it involves US and Oil
and yes, that is a DIRECT attack on your intelligence
everyone knows US is getting Billions if not trillions from oil productions in middle east