Giving away code.....a drawback

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Originally posted by barrk
Hey now, Jethro! Katie'sCubeMate considers it a priviledge to work with such an "interesting" person as myself...unfortunately, he rolls his eyes when he says interesting...what do you think that means???

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Where to begin........could be that sixties drug induced haze that has become katie's world. A place we all love by the way.

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It's katie's world
It's katie's world
It's Party time
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And for heavens sake why is he rolling his eyes, l mean he is sitting there in his village people outfit.....oops.....you did tell him the web cam is on right:eek:

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Originally posted by CiberTHuG
Damnit, a smiley showed up in my code.

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That's what you get for posting C++ code in a VB Forum, Travis;) :p

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Originally posted by Jethro


Where to begin........could be that sixties drug induced haze that has become katie's world. A place we all love by the way.

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It's katie's world
It's katie's world
It's Party time
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And for heavens sake why is he rolling his eyes, l mean he is sitting there in his village people outfit.....oops.....you did tell him the web cam is on right:eek:

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Damn it, Jethro...you gave it away! Now I'll never get to see him dance again.:( ;)

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Originally posted by barrk



That's what you get for posting C++ code in a VB Forum, Travis;) :p

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Hey, that code could've worked in Java, JavaScript, and Perl, not just C/C++.

Wow... that's five languages you people don't like. :(

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Originally posted by CiberTHuG


Hey, that code could've worked in Java, JavaScript, and Perl, not just C/C++.

Wow... that's five languages you people don't like. :(

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I didn't say I didn't like it.......just yanking your chain a little........okay more than a little...but I was just kidding, Travis!:)

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Originally posted by CiberTHuG
Wow... someone thinks I'm getting on a bit in years. Cool. I wish.

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I didn't say you were old, I said that is usually the case!!

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Wow... that's five languages you people don't like

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I like Perl!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by barrk


Damn it, Jethro...you gave it away! Now I'll never get to see him dance again.:( ;)

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And he looked so good dancing to Celine Dion on his desk as well:rolleyes:

Tell the new guy that his "Rocky Horror Picture Show" outfit doesn't do a thing for him. Would suggest maybe a Doris Day theme instead.

He's more of a Jackie Chan in Shanghai Noon wouldn't you say cubie??

Yeah, definately Jackie...

...and maybe we could get these two to put on a show, seems as though they have similar talents...

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Originally posted by Jethro from "parksies duck needs a name!"


That is just so mean. I have a good mind to take my hands off my hips, turn off the soundtrack to The Sound of Music, and hit you with my sweet little black satin handbag.

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Hehehe

:D

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Originally posted by barrk
Hehehe

:D

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katie that was a private message...............what...........you mean every one can read them............huh...............the private button down the bottom was a joke:eek:

Er, Aliens took me over all morning, have only just escaped their mind control ray.

You posted it in Parksie's Dick....I mean the thread about Parksie's dick...the aliens have definitely got to you, better have a beer!

Your right, and could someone get this handbag off my desk so l can read the sports section followed by Playboy:rolleyes:

Your job sounds much more interesting than mine.....are Playboys required reading.......they have such interesting articles you know!

Yep, especially those fold-out centre sections...hard study is required :p

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Originally posted by barrk
Your job sounds much more interesting than mine.....are Playboys required reading.......they have such interesting articles you know!

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Never get passed the pictures myself:rolleyes:

And no l have not seen "Cats" 58 times as some one so sneering implied. It was only 57, the final night was sold out.

Isn't it interesting that stevess starts this thread to bag on us for the way we answer posts in the other sections and we somehow manage to turn it into another smut fest............we are quite the talented bunch, I must say!!!!!!!!

Did you expect any less :rolleyes: :D

I only have 10 more minutes and then I get to go home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am sooo happy!!!!!!!!!!

Although, we haven't really accomplished a lot today....did any of you decide who my cube mate is???? and Jethro..you don't get to guess because I told you already!

I reckon it's either num something or eeer something

it's not num something....he's just a kid.......although my cubie isn't all that old either:rolleyes:

by a process of illimination therefore it must be eer something

or not...........................

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Originally posted by chrisjk
illimination

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Brain fart (as Katie would say) Elimination you fool.

Sorry folks, I'm a bit late into this discussion (work .... in VB... not C++.... don't you know)....
CiberThug, as much as I respect your opinion, I do have to disagree with it a little bit. (Hell, I'm an argumentative sort of guy:D)

You don't like VB because it is easy. I haven't programmed in Assembler for at least 10 years.... all the other languages, including C are much easier..... so what's your logic on this, I like easy.

Sure it's way too forgiving... but believe me, I kiss the ground VB walks on, I had to write all the sh*tty C programs that created windows and buttons etc. and that sucked the big one. VB was the biggest single advance in programming that I have seen. It still is the best language for front ends of databases (which is what most apps are, like it or not), and it can be written cleanly by an experienced programmer.... just as C can be written terribly by an in-experienced one.

I suspect one of two things, either you have an elitest attitude (which you shouldn't as I imagine most people on this forum know C and/or C++ plus a multitude of other languages) or VB hurt you as a child.....


sit dwn on SD's couch.... what happened... did a VB box fall on you as a child, maybe it just wouldn't install for you... yet it instaled for all the other boys...... or is it you resent giving Bill Gates your money ....... tell me about your mother .. does she wear revealing underwear?

:D

SD

The jig is up, the news is out
They finally found me
The renegade who had it made
Retrieved for a bounty
Never more to go astray
This'll be the end today
Of the wanted man...
Somebody should make this into a song or something! - hehehe
(hey - don't blame me if Styx sues for copyright infringement)

Okay, all kidding aside... I don't normally post here, and probably won't again, at least not on a regular basis - it just isn't my style... but it was fun whilst it lasted (I really like that "whilst" word - did I use it correctly? Probably not!) Anyway, getting on to my point.

I know in my heart that my co-worker is correct and has my (and others) best interest at heart...

In the other corner...
I never had a beef with stevess (a.k.a. SuperSteve), nor do I now. Take a look at the thread he mentioned - it twern't me that pitched a ***** 'bout his whiny little "but what's wrong with my code" post. I CAN see how the post could irritate one though!

This here "Giving away code.....a drawback" thread of Steve-a-rino's originally had a point however...

I think that that we all (or at least I did) came to the forums to GET some kind of info as quickly as possible. "I need an answer NOW" seems to be a pretty common theme - and I've been there myself! And then, whilst (hehe - whilst) you're asking that first question, you realize that there are other folks who have yet to overcome the task(s) that you already have (simple or not). At some point, you do the right thing and give back to the forum - regardless of the requestors talents. It's up to them to take it from there - ask more questions or research it themselves.

Don't ya think?

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Originally posted by eer3

Don't ya think?

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I try not to. It hurts......... might possibly be something ot do with the drink....... but I reckon it's the programming myself.

Nice to meet you though. I hope you will post more often in Chit-chat. You're more than welcome, and any friend of Katies is a friend of mine.:D

SD

Probably the C++ boys had bigger things in the communial shower he used on fire island:eek:

Eer3 if you don't post in here on a regular basis then we will just go hunting for you in the other forums;) Bad luck, blame katie, she push us into this.

hmm... she has that effect on you as well? So be it, I'll make the occasional appearance as req'd.

P.S I'm charging a minimal 1 U.S. $ fee for personal info on the aforementioned.

LOL

Just kidding Katie!

(send me a pm with your bank accnt for that info)


Really LOL

Just kidding again! I'll pay for this!

Cool Eer3

Best $2.50 AUD l ever spent by the way.

So katie really comes to work dressed in shorts and t-shirt waving big arnie about, and demanding that you all call her Lara Croft:eek:

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Originally posted by SurfDemon
Sorry folks, I'm a bit late into this discussion (work .... in VB... not C++.... don't you know)....
CiberThug, as much as I respect your opinion, I do have to disagree with it a little bit. (Hell, I'm an argumentative sort of guy:D)

You don't like VB because it is easy. I haven't programmed in Assembler for at least 10 years.... all the other languages, including C are much easier..... so what's your logic on this, I like easy.

Sure it's way too forgiving... but believe me, I kiss the ground VB walks on, I had to write all the sh*tty C programs that created windows and buttons etc. and that sucked the big one. VB was the biggest single advance in programming that I have seen. It still is the best language for front ends of databases (which is what most apps are, like it or not), and it can be written cleanly by an experienced programmer.... just as C can be written terribly by an in-experienced one.

I suspect one of two things, either you have an elitest attitude (which you shouldn't as I imagine most people on this forum know C and/or C++ plus a multitude of other languages) or VB hurt you as a child.....


sit dwn on SD's couch.... what happened... did a VB box fall on you as a child, maybe it just wouldn't install for you... yet it instaled for all the other boys...... or is it you resent giving Bill Gates your money ....... tell me about your mother .. does she wear revealing underwear?

:D

SD

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You are muchly late in this conversation, but... I don't think VB is bad because it is easy. Infact, I know I have a warped sense of what is easy. What I find easy, tends to bother others. To me, Perl is easy. Perl is easier than VB because I can do what I want to and I don't have to think about a way around it. I can very easily whip out anonymous variables and pointers in Perl.

Sorry for the tangent... but I haven't tried anon variables in C++. I'll have to try that.

Anyway... your arguement that VB is a great leap because it handles all of the GUI for you... well... what about VC++? There is also Perl/Tk (or any Tk, Tcl/Tk being the obvious). You can also program in Motif, but I haven't done that myself, so I'm not sure how easy it is.

Now that MicroSoft has bought ActiveState, they are threatening to release a Visual Studio plugin for Perl and Python.

Anyway... VB is not a bad language because it is easy, it is just simply not suited for serious business applications. The application that I'm working with right now with my client, will no be supported in two to three years. It is in VB, and they are looking to make it a sell it. For that, VB may be perfect. But if you want to make a long lived application, that will adapt to different platforms, and that you can maintain and grow, you need to use a serious language.

MS Office was not written in VB. IE was not written in VB. IIS was not written in VB. (Now to list serious applications) Netscape was not written in VB. Oracle's DB was not written in VB. Apache was not written in VB.

Anyway.. I respect your opinion, but VB has its limitations just like every other language. VB's limitations happen to be more severe than others.

Oh, wait... I have a question... how easy is it to multithread a VB app/DLL? I once had a client that had a VB parser for homegrown XML. I rewrote the parser (it wasn't very big) because the guy who had written it was using a lot of temporary variables and extra routines. This was being used for ecommerce, and I wanted it to be as small and as fast as it could be. I cut down the executable by 40%. I'm not sure how much smaller the memory footprint was, but I think if I could've used VC++ I would've dropped it another 5-10%. I'm wondering if multithreading it would've saved some more memory without sacrificing too much processor time.

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Originally posted by eer3
hmm... she has that effect on you as well? So be it, I'll make the occasional appearance as req'd.

P.S I'm charging a minimal 1 U.S. $ fee for personal info on the aforementioned.

LOL

Just kidding Katie!

(send me a pm with your bank accnt for that info)


Really LOL

Just kidding again! I'll pay for this!

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Okay.....I just spent the morning thrashing Ed within an inch of his life.....I had hoped to dissuade him from revealing anything about me that I'd rather you not know, but then I realized you already knew everything about me so I felt bad for beating him up....until I noticed how much he was enjoying it, that is:rolleyes:

How could you not enjoy being beaten up by Katie :p

Let me guess. The web cam was off durning his beating? :(

Yeah, sorry, Travis. I shouldn't have been so selfish:rolleyes:

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Originally posted by CiberTHuG


Anyway... your arguement that VB is a great leap because it handles all of the GUI for you... well... what about VC++? There is also Perl/Tk (or any Tk, Tcl/Tk being the obvious). You can also program in Motif, but I haven't done that myself, so I'm not sure how easy it is.

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VB was the first. And it was a god send.

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Originally posted by CiberTHuG



Anyway... VB is not a bad language because it is easy, it is just simply not suited for serious business applications. The application that I'm working with right now with my client, will no be supported in two to three years.

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I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be insulting, but VB can written well or written poorly. Well written code can be maintened for a very long time. I was speaking to a mate from an old company about 6 months ago, and he was asking me about a number of VB app's I wrote there 5 or 6 years ago that are still going strong.

Most corporate systems are front-ends for databases. This is what VB excels at. I wouldn't try to write a game in it, but for corporate use it's excellent, which is why there are so many jobs in it.

It's biggest drawback is that it is easy to pick up, and therefore alot of people call themselves VB programmers without having learned any disipline. These people make it much harder for the rest of us because they write very poor code.

If you get a professional programmer writing VB it's clean, stable and easily maintained.


It's all about following the money. And the money's in VB at present.:D

SD

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Originally posted by SurfDemon
It's all about following the money. And the money's in VB at present.:D

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Bugger. And here's me just about to start a C++ job :(

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Originally posted by SurfDemon
It's all about following the money. And the money's in VB at the present.

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:eek: No, managers can be stupid!! You must protect them from themselves. You must herd them toward better technologies.

;)

I think that the code people give is fine... if you really want to learn than u will look at the example and figure out what it does... i just used some code for saving to the registry w/ api and figured out a lot from just one api call and a line of code

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Originally posted by barrk


Okay.....I just spent the morning thrashing Ed within an inch of his life.....I had hoped to dissuade him from revealing anything about me that I'd rather you not know, but then I realized you already knew everything about me so I felt bad for beating him up....until I noticed how much he was enjoying it, that is:rolleyes:

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He did mention the photos as well didn't he;)

Uhhhh....photos??? He promised me he burned those!!!:confused: :eek:

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Originally posted by barrk
Uhhhh....photos??? He promised me he burned those!!!:confused: :eek:

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Apparently the FBI wouldn't let him, something to do with evidence and corruption of minors:rolleyes:

Ok, I have been trying to stay out of this since I started it, but I feel I must make a comment or two.

Cyber,
I can understand your view of VB, but i also know that it is very "adaptable" to business applications, as a matter of fact, that is probably what it is best suited for.
I work on an app that is written primarily in VB, although we do use some C++ dlls and numerous Type libs.
Our most recent sale was to Pepperdine U. in CA for $450,000 (plus ~$30k/yr maintenance). We have very large clients, and numerous competitors, and they would not pay that kind of money for something that is "basic".
VB can be a powerful tool in the right hands.


The real money, these days, is in Web Developing, and VB is a good foundation to start with.

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Originally posted by stevess
barrk,.....I am never derogitory,.....

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Stevess,

You may want to do a search on threads you have replied to and see if you still want to make that assertion.

barrk,
Obviously you have a problem with me. I don't care. Don't bother making pointless, and vague, replies to me.

My replies always have a point...it just depends on whether you are intelligent enough to understand them.

Bring on the IQ test.

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Originally posted by barrk
My replies always have a point...it just depends on whether you are intelligent enough to understand them.

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Don't worry l have a problem with him too katie. But you should feel sorry for him, as l don't think he can read. Either that or he is only into chapter two of "Teach Yourself VB in 24 Hours".

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Bring on the IQ test.

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Okay...

You have 15 oranges and 42.79 bananas (someone ate the other 0.21).

Each orange weighs 0.3 kilos and each banana weighs 0.2 kilos. You have a bag with handles that can support a maximum of 5 kilos. How many bags will you need to carry all the items safely.

And no using a calculator or any other microprocessor!!!

Don't bother, Jethro, Chris, he is obviously vastly superior to us all. It must be wonderful to be him.:rolleyes:

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Nope...3.

15 * 0.3 = 4.5
42.79 * 0.2 = 8.558

8.558 + 4.5 = 13.058

13.058/5 = 2.6116 (or 3)

OK, Argument? Fill me in so far and i will join!! :D

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Originally posted by barrk
Don't bother, Jethro, Chris, he is obviously vastly superior to us all. It must be wonderful to be him.:rolleyes:

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Hey! Don't drag me into this...i was just providing an IQ test like the man asked!!

That may very well be the wrong answer, I was just seeing how fast I could up with something.

barrk,
It's probably not worth the effort, but you have me pegged completely wrong.
I am not arrogant at all, as a matter of fact I am quite humble. My fault is that I challenge everything, I want to know the best way to do anything with the least amount of code.
People like you (and your cubehoney) and Jethro take offense whenever your code is questioned.
Having a debate, without getting angry, requires intelligence and complacency. If you think you are being wrongly critisized, then back it up with an intelligent answer, not an insult.

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Originally posted by stevess
That may very well be the wrong answer, I was just seeing how fast I could up with something.

barrk,
It's probably not worth the effort, but you have me pegged completely wrong.
I am not arrogant at all.

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:eek: Gee, the rest of us must be wrong then.

Jethro,
Don't you think it is just a little arrogant to think that everyone else agrees with you?

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Having a debate, without getting angry, requires intelligence and complacency. If you think you are being wrongly critisized, then back it up with an intelligent answer, not an insult.

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I have followed your responses to others in the various forums and refrained from voicing my opinion. You did not question me or criticize me personally but you have done so to many others. When you posted this thread in Chit-Chat, I decided to let you know how you were coming across to myself and other members of the forum.

You are the one who became defensive and angry. I was just pointing out to you that your attitude was offensive.

I have had many discussions with others in this forum and they have disagreed with me and I have disagreed with them. There is no rancor between us as a result of this. Yet there was immediate rancor between us. I think this may indicate that the fault lay partly in your court. Feel free to disagree with me but I am not compelled to agree with you.

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Originally posted by stevess
Jethro,
Don't you think it is just a little arrogant to think that everyone else agrees with you?

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Quite right, who disagrees? See noone....since when did he come back on site.

Chris

Nice work on the locking issue, worked brilliantly...thanks for that now have a headache and a working form;)