Don't forget we went out and fought yet another war that century - Falklands.
And this time I think it was pretty much unassisted (please do correct me if i'm wrong). I was 2 when it happened.
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Don't forget we went out and fought yet another war that century - Falklands.
And this time I think it was pretty much unassisted (please do correct me if i'm wrong). I was 2 when it happened.
What a load of propaganda. Yes Britian fought for her colonies against the Japanese, no doubt using the same troops which had put down "native" insurrections.Quote:
Originally posted by simonm
That's a bit unfair.
In the two and a half years before America could be bothered to join in the war (and only then because of Pearl Harbour), The British empire fought not only single handedly against the Japanese onslaught but also spent most of this time alone in Europe trying to fight off th threat of a German invasion. Between May 1940 and June 1941, Britain (and it's empire) fought alone against the might of both Germany and Japan.
Yes, the British made many military blunders in that war and could have never have won it alone but it annoys me when Australians complain of lack of help in WWII. If the majority of the japanese army hadn't been bogged down in S/E Aisa fighting the British, Australia may have fallen long before America ever entered the war.
Britain took a hell of a lot more s**t than Australia ever did and only just managed to keep going attall.
Britain was involved in a "European" war against Germany which had nothing to do with Oz/NZ. Our Governments sent troops to aid Britian. In fact when the Japanese expanding into the South Pacific, we had to fight tooth and nail to get troops back from your war in Europe and Africa to defend our own Countries.
*Jehtro grids his teeth and types* the USA can be considered the only foreign Country which added the ANZACS in stopping the Japanese in PNG.
Australia and New Zealand have supplied troops to Britian in The Boer War, WWI, WWII (Europe and Africa), the Malaya Insurrection to help out Britain. I repeat these were not wars that were fought in our backyards. They were wars fought by Europeans to maintain the last vestiges of their empires.
Except the second world war of course which basically involved everyone but some yak farmer in Mongolia.
You will be pleased to know that the sums paid back in lend-lease by Britain were almost exactly the sames as the sums paid to Germany under the Marshall Plan so the money did get back to Europe ;)Quote:
Originally posted by SurfDemon
*Cough* Britain had to pay for those supplies/weapons *cough*,
for a while - in 1938/39 Hitler had briefed von Ribbentrop & Donitz for a 1944 invasion of Britain once German capital ship strength was up to an adequate level for the job.Quote:
Originally posted by SurfDemon
P.S. Britain declared war on Germany, they could have stayed out
I'm here to back you up Jethro!
:D
Coz no British will!
;)
Yep. Same here, "fellow Kangaroo" :)Quote:
I'm here to back you up Jethro!
Why you all arguing about this? yes WW2 was horrible but why keep on ranting about it..
Ranting is a bit stiff mate, it's just all these poms were coming the raw prawn with us.Quote:
Originally posted by Jeff_1
Why you all arguing about this? yes WW2 was horrible but why keep on ranting about it..
It's what they are the best at... :)Quote:
it's just all these poms were coming the raw prawn with us.
Anyone want too post some WWII trivia?
What was the name of the port the japanese were going to use as a staging ground for the invasion of australia?? ( no offence meant toward OZ )
What Like?
Statistics??
Darwin!
Then... what did the Japanese use Perl Harbour for... :D
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Originally posted by Jeff_1
What was the name of the port the japanese were going to use as a staging ground for the invasion of australia?? ( no offence meant toward OZ )
Port Moresbey
So... what did they use Perl Harbour FOR...?!? :o
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Originally posted by Jeff_1
Port Moresbey
a place to drop excess bombs?
:rolleyes:
I don't recall port moresby bieng in Australia?
Some extract conclusions:
New Guinea - Between the 2nd and 4th in the Battle of the Bismarck Sea, US and Australian land-based aircraft annihilate a troop convoy bound for Lae from Rabaul. All eight transports and four escorting destroyers are sunk.
More coming!
Since when did the Japanese start having "excess bombs"... :confused:
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Originally posted by Jeff_1
a place to drop excess bombs?
:rolleyes:
I should clear myself.. i didnt mean port moresbey was in australia..
Quote from the ABS yearbook!
" Australia has not experienced a subsequent invasion; no war has since been fought on Australian soil. Yet Australians have fought in ten wars"
"All of them were begun by other nations and involved Australia because of its overseas ties; alliances formed through sentiment, loyalty or simply for reasons of security. "
That says it all for me!
But yet there's more:
"That same Anzac landing really heralded Australia's entry into the First World War, a war that took nearly 60,000 Australian lives. The tremendous cost of the War (Australia's casualty rate, in proportion to the number of troops engaged, was higher than for any other country in the British Empire) "
Some more Trivia:
"The War also fundamentally altered Australia's relationship with Britain, for it had forced Australia to look away from Britain and towards the United States for support and security."
". In October 1942 the Australians played a significant part in the battle of El Alamein, in which the Germans and Italians were decisively defeated and forced to retreat from the North
African theatre."
"Combined Australian and American efforts, however, prevented large-scale attacks on the Australian mainland. Japan suffered significant defeats in the battle of the Coral Sea in May 1942 and in the battle of Midway a month later. In August at Milne Bay in Papua, the Australians dealt the Japanese their first defeat on land. The bitter Kokoda campaign, fought by Australians in the humid, malarial jungle and rugged mountains of New Guinea, halted the Japanese advance on Port Moresby. By early 1943 Australian and American forces had pushed the Japanese out of Papua. Allied forces progressively retook New Guinea and adjacent islands during 1943 and 1944. By 1945, Australian troops had almost cleared New Guinea of the Japanese and had landed in Borneo. American forces were poised to invade Japan by mid-1945. On 6 and 9 August, atomic bombs were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, killing nearly 100,000 people. Japan surrendered shortly after."
Shall I stop?
Q) What was the name of the ship that sunk the HMAS Sydney?
Keep going ;)
Can't be bothered! The ABS Australian Bureau of Stats is full of this stuff!
Sorry I didn't read the Question properly!
But Darwin was attacked by Japanese Bombers!
Ok last little bit!
West Coast of Australia(this is from memory)
Broome and other NW towns were bombed threat to invade Australias premier Naval Base promptedgun turrets to be built all arround Perth!
Just a bit about Perth itself. It was thought that the Japanese were going to attack HMAS Striling Naval Base and take Perth and then the rest of WA. Which aint bad thinkin coz of small population numbers. The Govt then built over 50 Gun turrets up and down Perths Coast, Built Turrets and ports airstrips on Islands surrounding. Most still stand as tourist attractions!
Then built 3 military airports to go along with the Naval Base!
So when the Japs flew down here (survielance) they avoided it!
The Datsun 120Ys they couldn't off load to Australia.Quote:
Originally posted by cyberwarpy
Since when did the Japanese start having "excess bombs"... :confused:
Ok question
Which Germany Territory did New Zealand troops invade and hold control of till a vote for independance was conducted over 20 years later?
CLAPTRAP!Quote:
*Jehtro grids his teeth and types* the USA can be considered the only foreign Country which added the ANZACS in stopping the Japanese in PNG.
OK, The USA defeated Japan...I'm not denying that. But it was mainly a naval war. The British (and associates) took on the Japanese army in south east Aisa.
Look, I'm not trying to say the Australians should be thankful to the British for anything that happenned in WWII, and I know Britain has much to be thankful for from the many Australians who gave their lives fighting against both the Germans and Japanese. What I am saying, though, is that Australia has no right to complain about being abandoned in the war.
Sorry, no one is complaining about being abandoned in the war. The fact is British troops were fighting for their colonies as the last vestige of Empire.Quote:
Originally posted by simonm
CLAPTRAP!
OK, The USA defeated Japan...I'm not denying that. But it was mainly a naval war. The British (and associates) took on the Japanese army in south east Aisa.
Look, I'm not trying to say the Australians should be thankful to the British for anything that happenned in WWII, and I know Britain has much to be thankful for from the many Australians who gave their lives fighting against both the Germans and Japanese. What I am saying, though, is that Australia has no right to complain about being abandoned in the war.
Do you actually know anything about the war in the Pacific? Of course it was mainly naval engagements, there are not that many great hulking land masses down here. American Naval Power stopped the Japanese in the Pacific, (mid way etc).
SimonM wrong USA did not defeat Japan The Allies Defeated Japan mainly USA, AUS and NZ!
The USA definately could not of done it without the ANZACS.
Yes Britain played a small part in the South East Asia!
Never said they didn't what we are saying is that we got more help from USA then from our own mother country the one in which many australians lost there lives for! So in fact we felt abandoned! Why do you think we are now turning more towards america!
Air warfare was a major part in the war in the pacific/australia. Darwin was bombed by planes, PNG as well etc.
Japan used it had air bases in Burma etc. How do you think they reached us!
No, I'll admit that I know a lot more about the war in Europe than in the Pacific.Quote:
Do you actually know anything about the war in the Pacific?
To the above, let me just say that if you believe that America's involvement in the war with Japan had anything todo with concern or sympathy for Australia's position then you must be having a laugh!Quote:
Yes Britain played a small part in the South East Asia!
Never said they didn't what we are saying is that we got more help from USA then from our own mother country the one in which many australians lost there lives for! So in fact we felt abandoned! Why do you think we are now turning more towards america!
What do you think Britain was doing? Do you think we had a huge reserve army just sitting in Europe doing nothing? Was Australia ever anywhere near under as much threat as Britain was (from invasion). Did Australian cities ever get bombed in the way that British cities were?
Britain did it's best to help defend many countries (both allies and colonies) from German or Japanese invasion (ok, often unsuccessfully). I never hear of any other countries complaining about Britain abandoning them.
Oi! B*stards!
It's not my fault my great grand daddy thought your country would make a great open air prison!!!
Anyway, I'm led to understand that almost all of you are fully rehabilitated now, and can re-enter normal society. Therefore we have put aside a lovely area of land in Greenland that you can all live in, thus freeing up your country for some of the next generation of prisoners. It's only fair, you've had more than your fair share, now let somebody else have a shot.
The boats to take you to Greenland will be arriving soon so you'd better start packing.
Thanks again for being great sports,
Liz
Very convincing maam, except you spelt your own name wrong, Elizabeth II
Maybe it's a cunning disguise?.....
..... or maybe she's dyslexic.....
.... or maybe the Silly SurfDemon Suffers Shamefully Shoddy Spelling!!!!:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :D
SD
ROFL ;)
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Originally posted by chrisjk
Very convincing maam, except you spelt your own name wrong, Elizabeth II
You guys should have stormed into the Surviver camp and partied with the townies!
2 words for you mate:Quote:
SimonM wrong USA did not defeat Japan The Allies Defeated Japan mainly USA, AUS and NZ!
Nuclear Weapons
yes
Does anyone know what the "SS" stood for in the german army during WW2?
SS = schutzstaffeln.
LeeM
Ok. So you dropped Nuclear bombs. So u reckon USA single Handedly defeated the Japanese?
ROFL
LeeM:
The surrender for Japan was going to come about soon. Emperor Hirohito
actually stopped all Kamikaze missions and wished to make peace with the
Allies through the Russians (May 1945). The conclusion that dropping the
atomic bombs was in order to save lives was made after the war was over and
was not the initial reason why the atomic bombs were dropped.
The atom bombs were dropped to intimidate the Russians and let them know who
had the real power in the world at that time. It became the start of the
Cold War. Stalin had spies in Los Alamos and had already had news of the bomb and had
plans to build their own.
So you are telling me... that the Americans dropped the bomb and killed thousands of lives (they are still dying of Cancer that is being passed onto generations) just to prove to the Russians that they had atomic power .... :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by Beacon
LeeM:
The surrender for Japan was going to come about soon. Emperor Hirohito
actually stopped all Kamikaze missions and wished to make peace with the
Allies through the Russians (May 1945). The conclusion that dropping the
atomic bombs was in order to save lives was made after the war was over and
was not the initial reason why the atomic bombs were dropped.
The atom bombs were dropped to intimidate the Russians and let them know who
had the real power in the world at that time. It became the start of the
Cold War. Stalin had spies in Los Alamos and had already had news of the bomb and had
plans to build their own.
Yep! Revenge maybe!
But this is what is reported by insiders!