What the :eek:.....Its 0 seconds long....really is troll music rofl.
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What the :eek:.....Its 0 seconds long....really is troll music rofl.
Really is!
It’s tragic that people, like Niya, who probably could be making significant positive contributions to society, choose to disrupt and inflame for no other reason than their own “entertainment”. They brag about trolling “just about every site I've ever made an account on” and gleefully brag about having “20 banned accounts” on various sites. They freely admit that “when people actual[ly] have a level[-]headed and civilized discussion about whatever flamebait I spewed[, i]t gets boring and I tend to leave.”
And it’s not enough, apparently, to merely respond to people they disagree with. They actively seek out people who are minding their own business on sites that they have no interest in otherwise. This is the equivalent of marching into a church spewing inflammatory rubbish. But that would require much more courage than doing it anonymously behind the protection of the Internet.
Joacim, this thread has given me a much greater appreciation for the work that you do. I often chafe at the rules, but Niya et al have reminded me of the sad alternative. For that, I thank them. For working to keep this forum from becoming the juvenile food fight that is Usenet, I thank you.
@Jennifer - I hope that, as a relatively new member, you're not judging this forum based on the actions of a few. The ChitChat section always been light hearted, often quite silly and occasionally a bit juvenile. Some of the posting lately, though, is frankly embarrassing. Believe it or not we used to have some very good discussions around here.
@Niya - I've got to be honest, I'm not convinced I can relate to the the stance you've taken in this thread. On the other hand, I've always found you be fun and witty rather than juvenile or aggressive in ChitChat. I don't think we've ever crossed paths in the main forums but judging by the number of gems you've aquired I reckon you're probably fine out there too. Until you prove me wrong (and I hope you don't) I'd rather give you the benefit of the doubt. As you said, VBF is your exception and I, for one, am grateful for that.
I would suggest that Chit-Chat has largely been where people let the crazy out. There are a few people who never do much anywhere else on here except for CC, but those people have a whole lot of crazy to let out, so it still fits the pattern. I have always appreciated the moderation of the moderators largely because most every other lightly moderated forum (and ALL un-moderated forums) are cesspools of humanity.
On the other hand, I can't quite condemn Niya for that position. While it would be one analogy to talk about marching into a church and spewing inflammatory rubbish, most people can think of analogies where they would like that to happen. After all, how bad would it be to march into a KKK rally and spew some inflammatory rubbish? Those folks would either assault you or elect you as their leader (since inflammatory rubbish is pretty much their trade, so it would depend on the actual flavor). Poking holes in the beliefs of a benign or beneficial group is generally seen as being boorish. Poking holes in the beliefs of a cult, an oppressive conformist belief system, or anything else of the like is often considered to be an act of heroism.
I was thinking about the anonymous man in front of those Chinese tanks. There are two major differences between what he did and what Niya did:
1) He put his life at risk, while Niya didn't expose anything, not even a name.
2) The perspective is different because so many people who saw the image agreed with what they thought his position was, and disagreed with what they thought the tank commanders position was.
There are times when everybody would feel that an act of opposition is right (not always the same act for every person) even when the person performing the act doesn't become a martyr. The only way I can see a blanket condemnation of contrarianness being valid would be for those who want absolute conformity. For everyone else, the situation can become considerably more gray if you get into specific situations. We don't fundamentally oppose bomb throwing, we just care what the target is.
@ Jennifer, I think you may be equating the increased technology and advanced communications media for an increase in civility and enlightenment. People are people; the same as they were 100s or even 1000's of years ago. Technology doesn't change that. indeed, it gives those who tend to walk in the 'grey-er' side of society a better avenue to do so, thus creating an apparent increase in the darker sides of the 'human personality'.
Nicely (sic) put, Shaggy.
At the end of the day, though, this is Chit Chat, and while the original thread didn't star there, this is a venue where things tend to be a bit more...'open season'.
I think I've only been banned from one forum, though: the Democratic underground. They saw right through my ploy of reasoned argument and discourse...
Another way to deal with trolls!
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Originally Posted by Wiki
Like this!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2AC41dglnM
Objective good > religion i.e Francis who?
Just don't let that Michelle catch you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqOJ-KdtZio
Michelle is a super troll which is a troll that "aquires" lots of other trolls!
Not to be confused with troll hunters or wardens!
So would a poster who trolls about trolls and trolling be a metatroll?
TrollceptionQuote:
Originally Posted by dilettante
I would call them delectable!
Let me give you a lesson in reality my dear Jenny. What's tragic is the fact that here on Earth we produce enough food to feed the entire human race yet millions still suffer from malnutrition. What's tragic is that in certain parts of the world mother nature could sneeze and in a flash thousands die under the unrelenting power of a tsunami or an earthquake. What's tragic is that in certain parts of the world, the body of a woman can be violated by men without any consequences because women barely have any rights. In some places, they are even punished even though they were the victim. Whats tragic is someone losing their life because some war veteran nutcase in an urban area decided to relive his glory days as a sniper in the military.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jennifer Murphy
As for making positive contributions, well I don't suppose the countless hours I spend here helping others while expecting nothing in return counts in your eyes does it. I would guess it doesn't. Self righteous people are usually the hardest to please. Have you considered that I could have used my knowledge for truly wicked purposes ? All it would really take is some clever social engineering to get people to install Trojans on their computers and writing a Trojan is well within my abilities. Thankfully, I find doing such things really distasteful. Yet, you're getting all bent out of shape because I like trolling Christians and other over privileged self-important people who never had a real problem in their lives. I don't apologize for it. I don't care that it bothers you. I don't care that it offends your delicate sense of morality. I don't know care what you think of me. I don't know you and I certainly don't owe you any justification for my admitted actions that would satisfy your lofty ideals. I like trolling....plain and simple....deal with it
Hey there Niya. Under your name it says "burning member."
Might want to visit the local clinic about that.
Clinics can't cure birth defects.
Some people SHOULD install trojans...oh wait, you were talking about computers. In that case, you seem a bit overly defensive about your behavior. Even more defensive that Jennifer Murphy seems offended by your behavior. That's not putting your best face forwards, but rather the one with the vertical smile, which is probably better left to metaphors and other mythological beasts. What you are doing is certainly treading on a societal norm, which is going to get some blowback that you should expect. There's plenty of highground for your position, you hardly have to get down into the swamp to justify it, so there's no good reason to get all defensive--y about it. It's one thing to deflate the overinflated, it's another to throw bombs because you like to see people get hurt. Just be sure that the actions you are taking are for a good reason.
We all have a fuse in our bomb; it's just waiting to be lit...in Shaggy's case, 3 fuses in his pineapple-y bomb...
This kinda reminds me of the XKCD cartoon 'Duty Calls' (aka. Someone is wrong on the internet).
The internet is a playground with no rules. Getting offended by something on the internet, well, lets just say (as Niya has pointed out) there are bigger issues at large.
You are right, except that I have not trolled anybody or otherwise directed barbs at anyone in this thread. All I did was admitted that I liked trolling and shared a bit of history. I could understand if she was a victim of my trolling but she wasn't, yet she felt the need to launch that venomous passive aggressive diatribe at me. I originally intended to respond to her with some dismissive cheeky one liner but she seemed genuinely bothered so I felt that a dismissive one-liner would have been a little disrespectful hence I opted to respond seriously to her. It seemed to me that her own solipsism was undermining her ability to properly put things in perspective. What she needs to understand is that she cannot allow her emotions to get the better of her just because things don't always conform to her ideal world view. She has no right to demand that her standards be adopted by everyone she encounters. That idea reeks of way too much self importance. So I trolled a couple of websites, so what. I didn't hurt anyone. I didn't deprive anyone of a meal or money. She needs to take that self-righteous zealotry and direct it towards real problems in the world, not inane nonsense like online trolling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
Exactly right ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by SJWhiteley
dilettante, didn't you just come out as a Troll in posts 11,13 and 22????Quote:
Originally Posted by dilettante
If that isn't a classic example of troll science then I don't know what is!!Quote:
Originally Posted by SJWhiteley
Well science is basically common sense on steroids.
Even that statement doesn't even make sense! That's ok though, you are well and truly out as a troll!
Aww u flatter too much....wanna get hitched ?
If I want your passive agressiveness I'll beat it out of you...indirectly...or something like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niya
You're just making it a bit hard to find jokes in your writing.
Frankly, I've always been pretty impressed with the average intellectual level of the discourse on this forum (though it has taken a hit lately as a high pressure settling in over Chit-Chat has resulted in mild weather around here for some time). I didn't take J Murphy's post to be nearly as venomous or passive as you did. I thought she made her point pretty clearly, and I would expect that her opinion is actually the majority one, since the majority active on most forums will be supportive of the objective of the forum and bought into the underlying religion of the site (every site rests on a set of shared faith). I'd tend to sum it all up with this, though I can't think of an appropriate lolcat picture to go with it:
Controversial lifestyles is controversial.
Nope, I am not into bad girls!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Niya
Make no mistake Shaggy, she bore her fangs in her last post. Joacim and Tyson also strongly disapproved of what I revealed but they did not assume the right to pass judgement on me. They kept it strictly on the subject itself, not the person. Miss Jennifer on the other hand made it personal. Don't be fooled, her diatribe was meant to be as a dagger to my heart. She was clever enough to cloak it in an aura of passive aggressiveness but I see clearly what her true thoughts are. I did not disrespect her or any other who disapproved but she deigned to judge me, something I interpret as quite disrespectful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
No stalking either!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEr5tavTTUg
lol....
Attachment 97917Quote:
Originally Posted by Witis
No challenge, no bad girlls, and especially no psycho stalking!!
I'll let you believe that if you want. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Witis
Now you know the rules!
You are obviously quite familiar with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witis
Yeah, but they were attempts at a form of sarcasm. I can see where trolling about trolling might look like plain old trolling though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witis
So you're arguing that you have the right to deliberately invade the "homes" (for want of a better word) of others and verbally attack them, but that Jennifer does not have the right to come into your own home and condemn you for that behaviour. You want the right to offend but to deny others the right to be offended. I'm sorry but that just doesn't stack up.Quote:
they did not assume the right to pass judgement on me
Indeed, if you are finding yourself so bothered by Jennifer's condemnation is not possible that you, yourself, just got trolled? (As opposed to getting trollied which is a lot more fun)
As soon as I saw her post I knew this thread was coming back to life :D
I just laid back and waited for the fall out...
I wondered that myself... I think the troll just got trolled...Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDexter
Popcorn?Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonLPrice
nom nom nom
-tg
This all reminds me of something I did one time. There was a site for free legal advice that I posted a question on. I was viewing some other threads and noticed what I considered unnecessary name calling. When I mentioned it I got flamed big time by a couple of regulars. I signed up as three more members, all you needed was a hot mail account, and started my own game.
I posted a question that could be considered trolling and waited. As expected the flamers came out to play and between my four memberships, each with a different approached, toyed with the flamers until I got bored. Each of the pseudo members attacked the flamers and supported each other when they fought back. I/we followed then around awhile on that site causing them grief. It was fun for a little while and then like all trolls I just went away eventually.
I lose any moral ground I might have had posting this but thought I’d mention it.
This all reminds me of something I did one time. There was a site for free legal advice that I posted a question on. I was viewing some other threads and noticed what I considered unnecessary name calling. When I mentioned it I got flamed big time by a couple of regulars. I signed up as three more members, all you needed was a hot mail account, and started my own game.
I posted a question that could be considered trolling and waited. As expected the flamers came out to play and between my four memberships, each with a different approach, toyed with the flamers until I got bored. Each of the pseudo members attacked the flamers and supported each other when they fought back. I/we followed then around awhile on that site causing them grief. It was fun for a little while and then like all trolls I just went away eventually.
I lose any moral ground I might have had posting this but thought I’d mention it.
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Originally Posted by FunkyDexter
If this is the case then I bow humbly to a superior player. I'm not immune to being trolled myself lol, and I'm sure as hell not gonna lose sleep over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by techgnome
Yes, enjoy it....Aint nothing wrong with that. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonLPrice
It's very golden chair!!Quote:
Originally Posted by SJWhiteley
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxiSe4iwwGE
They read very very punny to me!!Quote:
Originally Posted by dilettante
Did you just admit to metatrolling????Quote:
Originally Posted by dilettante
Is that a reference to trolley dollies?Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDexter
Free legal advice site? Would you say that you made brief work of them? Would you say that it suit them well?Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonLPrice
Ohhhh, courting danger. That would be fine by me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
Yep, what happened???Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonLPrice
All depends where you set the bar.Quote:
Originally Posted by SJWhiteley
So you tried to solicit a reaction? Well in this case you got away with it. You managed to avoid the bar.Quote:
Ohhhh, courting danger. That would be fine by me.
edit> Damn! Shaggy beat me to a pun by seconds!
Were you looking for lawyerly advice, or were you just wondering about what, your judge meant?
Your honour is under scrutiny.
They will find no evidence.
There shall be no discort in dis court.
-tg
Now that's what I call a prune fest!
Hmm, I think I did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witis
Does that mean you are happy coming out as a metatroll?Quote:
Originally Posted by dilettante