FORUM ISSUES: Report Upgraded Issues in this thread

I assume that the constantly changing behavior is due to fixes and work that is ongoing. At the moment, all the issues I was having earlier this morning are all gone. Everything is working as I would expect, just as it did pretty much all of yesterday.

Indeed website is really really slow. Takes more than 10 seconds to load for me.
Same for UK and USA vpn. Seems to be the server i guess, and not my network.

To answer a few questions --

Yes - there are developers looking at this site and some of the others that were perviously migrated as something being reviewed impact multiple sites.
Yes - There was a fix that should have helped speed up the forum, and yes, indexing is still happening which might have some pull on the speed, but it shouldn't have much.
Auto-save in replies is done so that if you have an issue with the browser, you don't loose what you had typed. This was an issue in previous versions of vBulletin. I assume it saves to cache, but I don't really know. Someone else might know where it is saving to.
Noted - I see that the resolve thread is missing as well. The main developer is reviewing this thread, so it will be noted by them as well.

Is there a link to the rules somewhere that I'm completely overlooking? (Am I imagining that there was one on the main page prior to the update?)

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Is there a link to the rules somewhere that I'm completely overlooking? (Am I imagining that there was one on the main page prior to the update?)

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If you scroll all the way down, then you'll see it right above "developer.com". The label's text is Acceptable Use Policy. Or you can click in my signature :P

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Originally Posted by dday9

If you scroll all the way down, then you'll see it right above "developer.com". The label's text is Acceptable Use Policy. Or you can click in my signature :P

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Ah, there it is. I tried various searches but didn't think about AUP. Probably wouldn't hurt to make that a little more visible. (Although now that I'm looking at it, I don't see some of the things that were in place prior to the upgrade. Didn't there used to be a rule against asking for help writing programs to hack games, auto-register accounts and such?)

If it's not there then it could fall in the very last rule:

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•You will, if asked by a representative of the Websites, cease posting any Content, and/or links to Content, deemed offensive, objectionable, or in poor taste by the staff of the Websites

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It could also fall here:

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•You will not violate any laws nor to discuss illegal activities

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or here

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•You will not post any copyrighted material, nor link to any copyrighted material (with the exception of publicly available sites and pages that the legal owners of the copyrights have created to make that material freely available to the general public), unless that copyright is owned by you or you otherwise have the rights to such Content.

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Originally Posted by samuelk

Ah, there it is. I tried various searches but didn't think about AUP. Probably wouldn't hurt to make that a little more visible. (Although now that I'm looking at it, I don't see some of the things that were in place prior to the upgrade. Didn't there used to be a rule against asking for help writing programs to hack games, auto-register accounts and such?)

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Why? you planning on something? ;)

-tg

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Originally Posted by samuelk

Didn't there used to be a rule against asking for help writing programs to hack games, auto-register accounts and such?)

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That would be in the AUP. It doesn't blatantly say "we don't allow your to post information on illegally using other people's programs, nor does it explicity state that we don't allow you to create systems that allow you to spam other sites" but we do say things that on a more global level indicate that such activities are not tolerated here.

It is kind of like having a rule that says "no stealing." Such a a rule would cover robbing banks without the need to say "no robbing banks".

A good rule of thumb is -- if what you are asking were public information to everybody in the world with your name tied to it, would you still post it? In the case of 'hacking a game," would you make your post if the owner of the source to that game were here and could see your actual name?

Rules didn't change with the upgrade. If in doubt - use common sense..... ;) :)

Brad!

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Originally Posted by techgnome

Why? you planning on something? ;)

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Most of the games I'd be hacking would require me to revert back to a VB for DOS or else port VB to the 6502 processor.

I was going to suggest someone read the rules in another thread but wanted to make sure the rule I had in mind was actually there first.

Check out the edit in my prior post and point to those bullets.

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Originally Posted by techgnome

Why? you planning on something? ;)

-tg

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Nope, but I think I know the thread he is talking about. Clearly up to no good, but hasn't explicitly stated so....yet.

By the way, I just noted an oddity, which is utterly trivial. If you hover over the green gems, you get a tooltip showing some message about the reputation, as always. However, if you rep somebody, that tooltip goes away for the person you repped until you refresh the page. This was not a comprehensive test, though, as I am not certain that the problem doesn't only occur if the rep took the person to a different level.

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Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker

By the way, I just noted an oddity, which is utterly trivial. If you hover over the green gems, you get a tooltip showing some message about the reputation, as always. However, if you rep somebody, that tooltip goes away for the person you repped until you refresh the page. This was not a comprehensive test, though, as I am not certain that the problem doesn't only occur if the rep took the person to a different level.

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That happened before the upgrade too, but I'm not sure if it varies based on level etc.

I'm pretty sure that it wasn't happening for me, but maybe I was just fooling myself. In any case, it pretty much doesn't matter.

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Originally Posted by techgnome

Minor irritant: The "Quick Links" menu option comes and goes... the "Quick Links" menu doesn't show up when I view New Posts (which is what I use more often than not) ... but Mark Forum Read is always there, which doesn't make sense if I'm viewing a search result.... ????


-tg

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I also feel that this is missing - used it often and it's not always there.

I didn't see that tg's point was noted or addressed - maybe I missed it - but I second this one!

i did notice all or most of these issues throughout the day, but most seem to be getting better now. 1 thing i did notice is there's no code/vbcode buttons in the quick reply window...

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Originally Posted by .paul.

1 thing i did notice is there's no code/vbcode buttons in the quick reply window...

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Did the quick reply window have a code button before the upgrade?

The most awful thing in the new look, when i browse What's New? tab, both Replies and Views are in the same column under each other, previously Replies was in its own column, so it was easy for my eyes to find out threads with no answer!

Is it possible to change that?

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Originally Posted by brad jones

Did the quick reply window have a code button before the upgrade?

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yep + VBCode

Yes it did. I was about to post the same thing that .Paul just posted, but now I can just add another request to get those back. I almost never used anything OTHER than the quick reply window since it had all I needed. It had the code buttons, the quote button (which is still there), and a few others. The only thing I ever needed to Go Advanced for was the smileys, and I don't use many of those.

I seem to have given a lot of reps today, which just showed another oddity: When I give a rep, I get a message saying that I can't rep the same person twice for a given post. Perhaps my clicking the button comes with a stutter, but I really don't think so. I even got that message followed immediately by the message about "thanks for giving a rep...etc."

Seems that the links in the emails following "This thread is located at" do not actually go to the NEWPOST of the thread.

Main page at the bottom it says,...
Most users ever online was 5,617, Today at 03:12 AM.

Is that for real or due to the upgrade?

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Originally Posted by szlamany

Seems that the links in the emails following "This thread is located at" do not actually go to the NEWPOST of the thread.

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I think that's related to the similar issue of "go to last post" from the threads listings... of which the chief suspect is the in-progress indexing... guess only time will tell.

-tg

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Originally Posted by akhileshbc

It was showing "Database Error" for the last half hour when I try to access this page !

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I think then it would be acceptable to just email Brad.

Not sure if this was mentioned but if you click on a link that targets a single post the whole page that the post is on loads instead of just the single post now.

I guess its not that big of deal for a programmers forum since 99% of the content is text, but this would totally suck for forums where people post a lot of images in threads.

It would be nice if you could get View Single Post working again, its faster and uses less bandwidth. ;)

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Example, Forum running vBulletin v3.8.7
View single post (some C++ code).
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost...2&postcount=39

For now I'll just change my "Number of Posts to Show Per Page" from 60 to 10 or 20 I guess?

I've already installed ieSpell but the new Spell Check Button is still not working (the last button at right in the Quick Reply Toolbar). Anyway the spell check can still be lauched like in any other page on any site when using ieSpell by doing a simple right click anywhere, it also takes selected text, "Check Spelling" and "ieSpell Options" are present in the right click menu, it's just the new button in the message toolbar that's not working, it's doing nothing, at least in my case.

I'm using IE8 under Windows XP

The performance of the forums has improved a lot today, almost like normal. I still can't find the members list though and searching seems to only bring up empty results. I assume the latter is because of incomplete indexes.

Also, anybody have any idea if and when they are going to fix the code/highlight tags ?

ooo I just discovered, you can rep in chit-chat now.

THAT has to go away promptly. Many bad things would come of repping for insanity.

Oh the horror :eek:

Hello,

The url for the memberlist is this:

http://www.vbforums.com/memberlist.php

However, when you try to access it, you get the warning:

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Sorry! The administrator has disabled the list of members.

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Is there a reason why this was done?

Gary

I note that the "last edited by etc" text does not appear after editing a Post.

EDIT: Belay that....... It does appear if you put a Reason for Editing in.

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Originally Posted by Doogle

I note that the "last edited by etc" text does not appear after editing a Post.

EDIT: Belay that....... It does appear if you put a Reason for Editing in.

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If you edit a post multiple times within a minute it doesnt show the 'last edited' text unless you put a reason. That was always normal behaviour.

Yep, I've edited my post like 4-5 times before teh update and it would never show the "last edited by" because I would do all of them in like a minute.

Edit - A good example is of this edit because I noticed a typo.

Performance is horrible again today compared to yesterday. Each and every page I visit takes at least 15 seconds to load.

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Originally Posted by stanav

Performance is horrible again today compared to yesterday. Each and every page I visit takes at least 15 seconds to load.

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i agree.

@All Admins: Have you blocked the "rate this post" option in Chit-Chat forum ? That should be done fast!

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Something I noticed in this thread. The op still only has 1 post, even though he/she posted the origional thread and then responded. Is that normal?

Performance appears to have improved from earlier this morning.

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Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker

Performance appears to have improved from earlier this morning.

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Definitely not for me. Performance is so bad that the site is basically useless. Have to wait 30-60 seconds for the site to respond to any clicks. 4 days of this is ridiculous ... maybe they should have beta tested before rolling out... :mad:

Id argue that this is the beta test. Its userbase, the beta testers :)

Performance for me is still very slow, however, from what I understand they did beta test on a few forums that had very low traffic for a while before updating the whole site.

http://www.vbforums.com/group.php results in a database error page showing.

Also, I don't see a link in the navigation menu at the top to view the forum's member list so I manually navigated to http://www.vbforums.com/memberlist.php which displays a "Sorry! The administrator has disabled the list of members." message.

Everyone -
The developers will be cranking through this thread again tonight and working to hammer on some of the issues.

Also, the speed issue is noted. I forwarded a number of posts and messages to the techies to emphasize the speed issue. They are working to understand what is slowing things down so that we can fix it for the long term. They have some additional plans that might also help speed that things up that they will apply after they do direct forum fixes.

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Id argue that this is the beta test. Its userbase, the beta testers

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As to Niya's comments -- I blieve that companies today say they are "Agile." We are just being agile! ;) :D

In seriousness, we've migrated quite a few forums prior to this one. Most were smaller except for Codeguru. This forum, however, is one of the biggest as far as database size and such. As such, it is going to push things beyond what the other forums have.

Changes are happening. It will get better. This was a really big internal change to the forum.

Brad!

Thanks for the update Brad. Cant wait until all the bugs are worked out & we can have our beloved forum back again! ;)

I've rummaged through the first page and filtered out all the actually issues from the general conversation if this helps:-

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Originally Posted by KJJohnson_05

All the code boxes used to be legible but the format of them has changed to being one line tall with a scroll bar...effectively making it impossible for me to get any perspective of what I'm looking at.

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Originally Posted by make me rain

VB codes ( HIGHLIGHT ) blocks are become vary small
please make it like previous
for better visualization of the problem please visit this page where you can see cade block window is fixed for about 1Cm standard height :confused:

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Originally Posted by rjv_rnjn

I miss that we don't get the navigation path towards the end of the page. You could read the last post and then you didn't have to scroll all the way back up to go back to the forum; the forum navigation tool bar was just there. eg. at the top we see VBForums->Community -> Forum Feedback -> FORUM ISSUES: Report Upgraded Issues in this thread. This was also present towards the end of the page.

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Originally Posted by techgnome

OK, things that aren't working for me (in no particular order and nothing of a major concern):
A couple times I've used the Quick Reply... I get prompted if I want to Leave the Page or Stay on the page.... and then it seems to hang.
While typing in a reply when I hit the far right side, the quick reply, rather than breaking on a word and wrapping, as I would expect.... broke it in the middle of a word. It posted OK, but caused confusion on my part.

The text look
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was unexpect
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There was a third item.... only now I've forgotten it. I see broken images all over the place, but I suspect that will be corrected in due time.

Oh, the third item... it used to be that when I hit the tab button from the quick reply window, it would go to the "submit" button for the quick reply... it no longer does. Once I'm in the quick reply, the tab doesn't do anything. USed to be nice to type in the reply, hit tab, then space and it would post.

-tg

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Originally Posted by Niya

Couple issues, code tags do word wrapping which makes code blocks with long lines of code look unruly. Its difficult to read. Highlight tags have a tiny code box which I'm sure is some kind of error. I'm also getting server errors trying to access certain pages(even when trying to make this post, it timed out). When typing in a reply, the box no longer wraps a word to the next line when it passes the right side, I can learn to live with this though.

I'm willing to give this a shot but to be perfectly honest, I wish they never upgraded. The forums were fine before. On the plus side, I'm glad they didn't add that annoying side panel you see at CodeGuru so all is not lost. There are obviously kinks in this upgrade(like the highlight issue I mentioned above) so I'm gonna take a week off from here to give the guys a chance to fix all the little issues with the forums. These little annoyances make this upgrade unusable to me. Its really aching to wonder if clicking the next link would return some kind of 'server error' and any one who knows me here knows how much I love highlight tags :p

I'll check in on this thread from time to time to see how the admins are coming along with dealing with the issues. Cya in week guys :)

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Originally Posted by techgnome

Minor irritant: The "Quick Links" menu option comes and goes... the "Quick Links" menu doesn't show up when I view New Posts (which is what I use more often than not) ... but Mark Forum Read is always there, which doesn't make sense if I'm viewing a search result.... ????


-tg

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Originally Posted by JuggaloBrotha

Another vb.net programming forum I'm apart of upgraded to vbulletin v4x about a year ago and they had all kinds of issues with the CODE and HIGHLIGHT tags right after the upgrade. They did eventually fixed them but they also installed a different tagging thing called XCODE. You can use [XCODE=vb][/XCODE] to denote vb.net syntax and all that, it displays much nicer than the [HIGHLIGHT=vb][/HIGHLIGHT] does.
xcode:
Attachment 89977

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vb Code:

Private Sub MySub
    Dim X As Integer = 0
End Sub

Which brings me to a bug I just found, in FF 10 on Win7 x64 I click the attach file and select an image file on my computer and when I click the Upload file button it does nothing, it just sits there and I can't find any other way to upload a file to attach to a post.

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I was able to attach the image using the Image button on the quick post box, the attachments window off the advanced editor still does nothing.

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Originally Posted by dday9

Something I noticed today is this:
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Something small, prob just a sizing issue.

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Issues from page 2:-

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Originally Posted by Niya

Sorting in the member's list page returns a server error.

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Originally Posted by JuggaloBrotha

This is probably already on the list to eventually be addressed, but the "Mark Thread Resolved" on the thread tools menu is missing.

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Originally Posted by techgnome

The trend I'm noticing is that newer threads tend to be more responsive than ones that existed prior to the conversion... it wouldn't surprise me to to discover that the indexing process is what's interfering with things.

-tg

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Originally Posted by .paul.

i did notice all or most of these issues throughout the day, but most seem to be getting better now. 1 thing i did notice is there's no code/vbcode buttons in the quick reply window...

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Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker

Yes it did. I was about to post the same thing that .Paul just posted, but now I can just add another request to get those back. I almost never used anything OTHER than the quick reply window since it had all I needed. It had the code buttons, the quote button (which is still there), and a few others. The only thing I ever needed to Go Advanced for was the smileys, and I don't use many of those.

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The performance issue is universal and well known by now so I didn't bother to quote anyone talking about it.

Thanks for doing the summary niya, much appreciated!

Gary

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Originally Posted by KJJohnson_05
All the code boxes used to be legible but the format of them has changed to being one line tall with a scroll bar...effectively making it impossible for me to get any perspective of what I'm looking at.
Originally Posted by make me rain
VB codes ( HIGHLIGHT ) blocks are become vary small
please make it like previous
for better visualization of the problem please visit this page where you can see cade block window is fixed for about 1Cm standard height

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I was told these items were fixed.

Database error -

This was an issue with a side table. I've been told this was fixed. If you still get a database error, plesae let me know what you were doing and report it.

Thanks!

I was told that the mark thread resolved option which was missing is also resolved.

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Originally Posted by brad jones

I was told that the mark thread resolved option which was missing is also resolved.

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Yeah!!! :) It Works! :D

new problem.
the "rate this post" icons have disappeared on my posts.
they were working properly 2 hours ago.

I see the rate this post icons. they are changed in this version to a "sunburst" icon.

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Originally Posted by RobDog888

I see the rate this post icons. they are changed in this version to a "sunburst" icon.

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yeah they are visible on everyone else's posts, but not on mine, so i can't check my points

By vB forum software they are not shown on your own posts now.

they were earlier today (+ in the previous VBulletin forum software)...
i preferred that.

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new problem.
the "rate this post" icons have disappeared on my posts.
they were working properly 2 hours ago.

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I just noticed that too. It seems as though the only way we can check our rep points in throught the user cp. Or I think it's called settings now. But it's a bummer.