Comparing the United States to Nazi Germany? Talk about being trendy. You must have reached the bottom of your bag of barbs. How pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ex-FB
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Comparing the United States to Nazi Germany? Talk about being trendy. You must have reached the bottom of your bag of barbs. How pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ex-FB
Here's a recent comment by Jack Jedwab, executive director of the Association for Canadian Studies:
LOL - Good luck with that. Go Canada! :lol:Quote:
There are a lot of people who think we should be listening closely [to extremist groups] and that there is an opportunity to dialogue with these sort of groups
:lol: :lol: :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Suzzi
That's even funnier. I even like animals, and the image you present is STILL hilarious.
(don't know about that BMI thing, though, that makes me nervous)
Hahaha - once again, you've changed your tune! What happened to the hundred of thousands starving, Canada is dependent on foreign food, oh hang on, now it's just going to hurt the economy. Keep this up and pretty soon it will be "well I said that the polar bears might be effected..." :)Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBlaster
But let's look at the scenario you paint and see how it fits. You can be the US and I'll be Canada. Now, remember that by far Canada's biggest trading partner is the US. And, I'm sure you are aware that the two countries border each other. So transport is easy.
Canada: "Why so glum chum? Turn that frown upside down etc."
US: "But I'm glum because the middle east has turned off the oil."
Canada: "Really? Now that is interesting... did I mention we have loads of the stuff up here. And it's going on special this week only one hun... er I mean two hundred dollars a barrel. Get it while it's still fossilised."
US: "Wow that's expensive!, but I guess we have no choice."
Canada: "Nope. Do you need any gas to go withthat for your power stations."
US: "Is it going to be expensive?'
Canada: "Tell you what unbuckle your pants and turn around and I'll tell you the price....."
Well maybe not the last bit, but you get the picture....
The scenario you paint would be fantastic for Canada, not so fantastic for the US. Oh, that's right Canada doesn't have much oil does it, just like it doesn't have much food... maybe you'll be arguing that it doesn't have much snow next.... :)
So it's a moot point, basically either wean yourselves off middle eastern oil or keep giving money to your enemies. It's not a massively tricky concept, yet you do seem to be having difficulty grasping it.
I agree. I think it's dispacable that the Canadian government is complicit in such events. Whats is equally sickening is their refusal to admit their mistakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xanith
Take this example:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/19/wo...rssnyt&emc=rss
The RCMP point the finger at the US government, but they are the one's who provided the intel that he was a terrorist and it doesn't take a genius to work out that someone is going to torture him.
Hopefully the latest government has learned lessons from the old one, but unfortunately I doubt it. Basically it comes down to politicians being self serving people of dubious parentage.
Again, I am not changing my tune. Are you f-ing retarded? How many different ways do I need to restate the same thing? You are simply taking one item and removing it from the equation. That does not work. Removing the OIL has a cascading effect on the entire Global economy. Removing 25%Quote:
Originally Posted by Ex-FB
is enough to tank it. Your country depends on inports and exports. Feel free to believe you don't. That just makes you a moron.
Look at the effects of a $20 hike per barrel does to the international market. Can you imagin what an instant $300 spike in the price would do? No you obviously can't.
You Left yourself out of your conversation.
You: Wow, My company can't afford to keep me because their cost of doing busisness just went through the roof. Krap, I guess I'll sit on my unemployed arse, eat home grown wheat all day and take my mad cow for a walk.
Please keep the personal insults out of this.
As for the price of oil hitting the international market..... your commentis quite amusing. You see, I work in the oil industry in Alberta.Quote:
You: Wow my company can't afford to keep me because their cost of doing business just went throught the roog
Here is a link to see how badly the rising oil prices are hurting the average Albertan
http://www.globeinvestor.com/servlet...wxalbertagas27
In other words, we cheer every time the price of oil goes up!
This conversation is just getting embarresing as I prove you wrong repeatedly. If you can come up with some good arguments, I'll listen. But just getting angry and hurling insults is not a good way to conduct a discussion.
Unless it's you doing the insulting?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ex-FB
Please point to any personal insult I have made in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by demotivater
I will unreservedly apologise as it is not in my nature to insult people.
Thanks.
:thumb:
It wasn't this thread I was thinking of. You're simply condescending and patronizing. So, the distinction of personal insults would indeed exclude your snide remarks in this thread.
Sorry, my ESP seems to have been switched off for the time being. Which thread were you thinking of?Quote:
Originally Posted by demotivater
Oh sorry, that probably counts as being condescending/patronising/snide doesn't it? :)
I think you will find that for every snide comment I make (and I do make them) they are usually in retort to something much worse. If people are polite to me, then I am most polite to them. I find it amusing that people say things on the web that they would not dare to say to somebodies face.
It is also probably worth bearing in mind that if people got angry or worked up about everything said on the web, they would go crazy. So why is this any different. Is it really so difficult to have a sensible discussion without resorting to name calling?
Do I really care if MasterBlaster believes that Canada is dependent on the middle east for Oil and Food? Not really. Is it worth me getting angry about? Not at all. I find if you laugh at 99% of the things you read on the web, then life is a lot sweeter! :wave: Enjoy.
In fact, just to show that people shouldn't take these things too seriously (as they appear to be doing), I will end the argument by categorically conceeding the whole argument to MasterBlaster.
I conceed that he is completely right, and that if the middle east stops producing oil:-
- the world will be filled with starving people
- I will be out of work as the Canadian oil company that employs me will have gone bankrupt because of the incredible profits they will be making now that they are the major supplier of oil to the rest of the world
- Luckily, because I will be out of work, I won't have to worry about picking my way around all the starving Canadians, as we both agree, there is no way the second largest country in the world could possibly feed 30 million people
There, is everyone happy now? :)
Let's get back to the hamster discussion.
You're right, FB, I should ignore that you compared my country to Nazi Germany in an attempt to make some point that everyone but you missed. Since it's on the internet, it's no big deal. Thusly, I'm sure you'll think it's no big deal that I think Canadians have a bit to much of the French surrender gene in them and their actions (and inactions) make that painfully clear. Mix that with your predictable, English inspired pomposity and you bunch are quite hilarious. Or is it laughable?
By the way, my life couldn't be sweeter. I live in the greatest country on the face of the planet, the United States of America!
Thanks then! Enjoy! :wave:
:p Jeez, there is no pleasing some people. I agree with you and still you want to pick a fight. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by demotivater
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Originally Posted by Ex-FB
So you cheer because war in the middle east causes oil prices to go up?
Funny how you change your tune.
So why are you only selling at $60 -$80 a barrel? Surley you could sell it for $200 if you wanted to right? Have fun with your $200 barrels that no one will ever be able to afford demand = Want/Need + Cash not demand = Want/NeedQuote:
Originally Posted by Ex-FB
Dude, Don't get me wrong. I'm not angry one bit. In fact I've rather enjoyed this conversation. I simply think you're a moron for misquoting me over and over and over. Trust me, If you were a close friend and we were sitting in a bar having a beer, I'd call you much worse. :wave:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ex-FB
:) Good job I'm not Canadian, French or English then isn't it? :) I do like to think of myself as hilarious, thank you for noticing :thumb:Quote:
Originally Posted by demotivater
Oh, and by the way, what I actually said was that we hadn't seen warmongering like this since the 1930's. Take that as you wish, but I was actually just drawing parrallels between two politicians of world powers who habitually started wars. There was no reference to Nazi's, as I do not believe the US people are anything like the Nazi party.
No, we have to wait for the middle east to turn off their supply before we can sell it for that price.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBlaster
No, generally we just wait for Bush to attack one of the countries, make some inflammatory remark, or diss one of the OPEC members..... (basically, just to continue being the intelligent statesman that he is) that's enough to send the price of oil back up :)Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBlaster
I think you're wrong. Canada has lots of oil. Didn't they just open that massive Tarzan oil field?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ex-FB
While Canada does have the 2nd largest oil reserve of any nation (other than Saudi Arabia) they are still not on of the top 10 producers of oil yet. From what I understand a lot of the oil has been previously either hard to reach or not economical to pull out of the ground. With record prices for oil over the past several years it has been more economical for Canada to ramp up oil production. I have heard that a lot of Canadian oil is trapped in what they call oil sands and it takes a lot to extract that oil both in cost and environmental damage.
The US is the 3rd largest producer of oil in the world (behind Saudi Arabia and Russia), however most of that production is used internally. With Canada producing more and more oil it will help alleviate the US and their dependence on the Middle East and unstable oil producing nations, which I think is a good thing. If Canada tapped its full reserves it could become one of the greatest oil producing nations on the planet, even rivaling Saudi Arabia.
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The amount of reserves is sort of misleading. For example it takes more energy to extract a barrel of Shale oil that the energy actually contained in that barrel. Oil sands are close but still slightly profitable to extract. Canada the US and Russia are loaded with shale and or sand oils and count them as part of their reserves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xanith
If the price stays high enough Canada can become a leading producer. I am not sure but I don’t think anyone counts the US and its vast Coal supply either. Coal can also be used to produce oil, currently most of the US coal production is being sent to China. If the US wanted I am sure it could use its vast coal supply and become totally energy independent....but then again they would have to get by the environmentalists first :)Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBlaster
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Tar Sands?Quote:
Originally Posted by Suzzi
I agree about the cost of producing oil from the Tar Sands, but it should be born in mind that modern techniques have drastically reduced the cost needed to seperate the oil out. There is still a cut off point where it ceases to be profitable (as with all products). Our current production costs for the Tar Sands are about $10 a barrel. Now, that is just the cost for the manpower, machinery etc. to get it out of the ground. On top of this there is transportation costs, which for the US are cheap (because there are a number of pipelines running South), but for Canada to ship it overseas it starts to really add on to the price.
So, although it is more expensive to produce than middle eastern oil, there is still plenty of profit to be made.
At present Alberta is looking at quadrupling its production levels over the next 5 to 10 years (some $20 billion odd in new plants being built at present). Of course, to make this worthwhile there needs to be a market for it, at present they obviously see that market as the US. But the middle east isn't daft. If the US stops buying their oil, then they may be forced to drop the price of the oil to continue to generate the current profits that they are enjoying. If they do that, then it will force the price of the Canadian oil down. Will it every dip back below the proft level of $10+transport?, I don't know, but either way it will probably drive the price of oil downwards.
We are constantly reducing the cost of the extraction, and each time we do that we make more and more of the reserves recoverable. Usually when a countries reserves are posted, only the recoverable amount of oil is announced, which at present is some 300 billion barrels. But there is over another trillion barrels in the Tar Sands that aren't reported, because they are not recoverable with current methods. As methods improve, the size of the reported reserves increase. as long as the price stays high, the incentive to get at that extra trillion barrles will remain high.
Ah - that might be it. But they name other places after biblical figures, why not name one after Tarzan....?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ex-FB
You're just a laugh a minute. Get back to posting videos of hamsters being shot out of cannons.
Any plans on vacationing in Edmonton any time soon. Unfortunate typical US View of Canada? If you mean People in the us can read a weather map, then yes. If you would like I'll post the latest weather map daily. We can watch it get colder everyday and maybe figure out why People in the Us think it's cold in canada.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ex-FB
Actually, with wind chill it was -39C in Calgary today (nippy) and we had the first real snow of the year. But heck, it's a month before Christmas. I believe the original point was that Canada was covered in snow all year round and therefore couldn't grow enough food to feed itself..... It is often joked that Canada only has two seasons (summer and winter) as they change so very quickly. Sure, it gets cold in November, but it gets warm again in April, ready for growing plenty more food. Do they grow much food in the rest of the US during the Winter (honest question, I don't know - though I do know they grow all year round in equatorial places).
In the summer the temperature is up in the +20's to +30's (Centigrade) so April to November, that's plenty of time and sunshine to grow food..... which was the original point.
Here's a quick chart from the local weather station.... (although the first couple of months of the year are not usually that warm, we had a chinoock in for the longest time)
:wave:
I was just looking out the window and the snow made me hungry for some fresh canadian glacier corn. LOL :bigyello:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ex-FB
Speaking of chinook, Tell the canadian comercial fishermen to take it easy on the fall Coho. The runs down here were pitifull this year.
Nov 28th
Updated Canadian Tropical weather report
http://www.trekearth.com/gallery/Nor...hoto218900.htm
Actually, the cold weather has caused an upsurge in violence..... see below
http://www.shortarmguy.com/SnowmanViolence.jpg
Blahahahahahhahahaha! :lol: Nice!