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its good that you brought up the UNSEEN pillars that hold it up
i mean everyone would presume something is holding them up
as you stated
now same thing goes for the barrier between fresh and salty water..
i mean we KNOW that barrier is THERE
but its unseen with a naked EYE
and qur'an of course clearly states that there is that barrier.. and dont think they had advanced tech to actually make that unseen barrier visible
again i cant stress the fact that qur'an is NOT the book of science.. but it is a book of guidance
i guess i undrestand your point of you
i have FIRM belief in the qur'an
and when i see that it explains modern science
i my belief gets stronger
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I guess my issue here is that i don't think it is either science, or a guide to science. It's the old 10/10 hindsight thing - it is very easy to say "Oh, so that's what it is" once you know the answer, but from what i read (and I'm reading the embryology section now), it all seems to suffer from such an approach.
I think beconvinced kept taking phrases from the quran, and then found a bit in modern science that sort of said that same thing, then passed that off as "the quran said this was how it works". It comes down to a hindsight thing. It's also conceptually a bit hard to put into words (ie. I'm having problems phrasing what I mean)
Ok, read the embryo section. The Gum-embryo thing is tenuous at best. The nourishment reference (about the mother feeding the child) is again very obvious - the umbilical cord has been around a lot longer than any form of religion, and is an obvious connection to the mother.
In the case of a miscarried pregnancy, it is not inconceivable that someone could easily look at the life cycle of an unborn child and work out the stages of development.
I guess the thing for me is that I get a bit sceptical when any religion claims to have foretold any sort of scientific development. As I said before, the Incas and Aztecs have amazingly advanced celestial sciences, yet, to the best of my knowledge, these developments were not attributed to a partiocular divine intervention (although they were based around sun and moon worship)
Still, it's an interesting topic. All the more better that you and me, Kovan, can have a proper discussion with being ridiculously childish like other people around here (subtle jibe :))
I'll keep reading...
- gaffa
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i think a good discussion can happen if both parties know the issues their discussion
i mean you dont see me saying "i think all doctors suck and they have no clue what their doing.."
i know nothing or close to NOTHING about medicine (good thing i changed career fields)
maybe you miss unrestood
i meant qur'an is not a book of science and neither is a guidance to book of science..
i meant its a GUIDANCE to life in general
and for me (i try to follow most of my life based on it, notice i used the word TRY :))
so far i have not came to any point where i feel that i am betrayed
so as far as it keeps this way
i think i will believe the same if not more
but you read up
and we DISCUSS
and hopefully it wont get childish
and i dont think i am the type of person that will attack you if you THINK something is not right..
your entitled to your opinion
but as long as you can discuss your opinion in a well mannered way
what am saying is like you said you dont think qur'an is a book to science or at least most of the things about science are common knowledge
well i could have attacked you and said
NO THIS IS A BOOK THAT WAS REVEALED 1400 YEARS AGO HOW DARE YOU QUESTION IT
but that would just be stupid and that would lead to other problems, so hopefully that wont happen
and definately up for a nice well mannered discussion
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if you read my other posts
about the challenge
find ONE mistake in it
and the whole thing is invalid
thats what qur'an challenges every human
happy searching
remember if you need help with undrestanding something
just gimme a shout
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No worries Kovan,
And I'm not going to bother to try and disporove your contradictions list in the bible, cos I reckon you're probably right - although all things like this are open to interpretation.
Oh well, the religiious discussions continue....
- gaffa
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To all you relegious ignorant beings ,
To preach to the "Common Man" is an Utter waste of time . The average person doesn't need a book to tell him not to **** his neighbors wife . What these stupid relegious people should be talking to are the leaders of "Coperate America" and other countries as They are the ones that would have to change things . After all Money talks and and your god walks . Relegion was invented by " Coperate Gods " to keep the lonley ole peasents in line ( Thats Us ) ,to strike fear into our hearts that if we did something they "DEEMED" wrong we pay for all eterity . It's nothing but shock value . Relegion is nothing but buissness . All your relegions will die out in the next 20 years . Who has time to go and sit in church and listen to someone say "Be Good" or the Devil will get you . No one does . We can't even cook for ourselves anymore , all our time is spent at "Work" . Thats the way "GOD" likes it . while we are at church you can be sure they pass around the "Collection Plate " , make sure you give enough or you'll be asked to find a new church . So try to by your seats in heaven , I'm making mine here .
Well damn me to Hell if you want , I'm off to Vahala or is it Heaven , Nirvana , oops my bad it's a 15 minute break from our "coperate gods" ,
Robert
AKA
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