Freedom of Speech.

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Originally Posted by FunkyDexter

I think there's a fairly fundamental difference between inciting a riot by saying 'Hey, let's all riot' and inciting one by insulting someone enough that they feel the need to kick off.

The first one is already illegal in the UK as it's incitement to commit a crime - which is a crime in and of itself.

The second one is more of a grey area and the question really should be: Should you be allowed to get away with insulting someone or their beliefs just to boost your circulation?

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For the second one, there is no grey area, it should be allowed, at least in the United States it is. Thats what Free Speech means, it means people do not have the right to not be offended.

For the first one, well just to me, trying to inciting a riot is also free speech. Of course I think it's even illegal in the States.

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Originally Posted by Valleysboy1978

Care to re-phrase that? :mad:

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I meant "don't be retarded." And I was referring to people who riot and then blame it on the person who "inciting the riot." People who don't take personal responsibility.

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Originally Posted by Hack

In the United States, Freedom of Speech, as defined by out Bill Of Rights, means that you can not be punished if you speak out against the Federal Government.

It does not mean you can yell Fire in a crowded theater.
It does not mean you can incite a riot.

And, it should not mean those things. For those acitivies, you should, and will be, jailed.

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Just to point out a few things. Yelling Fire in a crowed theater isn't a question of free speech, but a question of morals. Therefore, I am within my right to yell Fire, when in fact there isn't. My doing so may lead to consequense, such as being told to leave, or arrest (not for yelling Fire, but rather for not obeying the property owner's request to leave the theather).

Second, your example of inciting a riot has nothing to do with free speech. However, you are corrrect that it is an illegal act. The constitution only protects our right to peaceful assembly.

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Originally Posted by Mosabama

Guys ...

The islamic countries ( People) are not willing to buy products from denmark ... and thats also ... FREE OF ACT ....

they say that they are free to miss with aholly person like mohammed ... well ok ... but arnt muslims free not to buy their products ?????!!!!!

and now because of that ... (not buying their products ) they say that they will burn the holly book of islam infront of all the people in denmark ...

and they call them selves civilized ... !!!!

every body has about idea about muslims ... they think that they are teroreists ... not knowing that muslims believe in jesus as a prophet from god ... and muslims beleive in every holy person in christianity ... but the bad thing is the media ... and when when some bad muslims does something bad ... its said that islam is bad .. and thats wrong ...

when I say islam .. you remember BEN LADEN ... and thats wrong ... and I am sure if you know islam very well you would change all your thoughts ...

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I totally agree with Mosabama...
Muslims Love Prophet Muhamed (peace upon him) more than themselves,thier Fathers and mothers,and more than thier sons....
So, when muslims reply to this offending by not buying Demark products ,this is the least reaction ...
There is very important thing that nobody remark it, it is that muslims did not reply this offending by the same way ,they didnot reply it by offending thier religious or offending their holy sympoles....
they (Denamrk) say that they will burn the holly book of islam infront of all the people in denmark , but we did not see any muslim say " we will burn the holy book of christians".....
This is great thing in muslims religion " Not to reply the offending by another wrong offending"
In additin to that muslims believe in jesus as a prophet from god and respect all prophets
see this article :Jesus in the Glorious Qur'an
this is greatest civilization.....
Isnot this says muslims are not teroreists at all ??!!!
See this article : What Does Islam Say about Terrorism?
as Mosabama said "when I say islam .. you remember BEN LADEN"...
why??!!
BEN LADEN isnot the only muslim one in the world!
There is very great samples for muslims around the world like : The Scientist who won Nobel prize in chemistry "Ahmed Zewil",And other scientists like "Farouk El-Baz",Magdy Yaqoup, and more...
please visit this site World Muslims
Finally I want to say that all muslims respect the freedom of speech , and holy Quran say that meaning and they accept the criticism ,and the evidence on this that they discuss with The orientalists and accept them in thier countries, But anyway offending people and holy sympols is not from freedom of speech , it is freedom from responsibility........

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Originally Posted by hanysaad

they (Denamrk) say that they will burn the holly book of islam infront of all the people in denmark

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When did they say this? Who said it? Got any news links?

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When did they say this? Who said it? Got any news links?

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Everyone know that they that, and this news were in everywhere when they said that,if you do not believe me "Mosabama" mention that in his post before me....

In between, I did a search on what you mentioned. Apparently it was a racist party within Denmark that called for this. "They" != Denmark. That is a dangerous generalization to make.

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Originally Posted by mendhak

In between, I did a search on what you mentioned. Apparently it was a racist party within Denmark that called for this. "They" != Denmark. That is a dangerous generalization to make.

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Kind of ironic don't you think.

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Originally Posted by haynseed

BEN LADEN isnot the only muslim one in the world!

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yet they turn around and do the same to us. Human nature perhaps? Maybe we're not that different after all.

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Originally Posted by space_monkey

Kind of ironic don't you think.


yet they turn around and do the same to us. Human nature perhaps? Maybe we're not that different after all.

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Yes, I agree. It all comes down to those territory-type instincts embedded in our psyche.

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There is very important thing that nobody remark it, it is that muslims did not reply this offending by the same way ,they didnot reply it by offending thier religious or offending their holy sympoles....

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No, that's correct, some Muslims burned down embassies and killed completey innocent people, who probably agreed with them.

You are also generalising Denmark, which is a little hypocritical don't you think?

Woka

Of course, muslims have been publicizing anti-jew cartoons in islamic publications for years now. Apparently they're allowed to...