Pro-war people, answer me this

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Originally posted by run_GMoney
Yes it is OK that we have them because we won't use them. Also, perhaps you could show me the UN resolution saying US and Britain is not supposed to have them. If these things are going to exist, I'd rather they be in the hands of a country that is far less likely to use them. Who would you rather be in control of them?

EDIT - Do you think I could have said "them" a couple more times?

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C'mon fellas! Have a brain, if not a heart. You can have it because you do not intend to use it? Get real, John Wayne! And since when the US of A wanted UN to work. Remember, the second (ok, the 18th resolution) was drafted as an ultimatum for regime change, not disarmament.

Get on a moral high horse or brutish muscle flexing, its gonna backfire, sooner or later, and we the Anti-War have to die in the undeniable future retaliations, right along with you.

No matter how sharp the blade is, how many BHP the motor has, however accurate the path can be programmed and however distant the remote control is held, no lawn mover can remove the weeds its seeks to remove. It can at best trim it. trim it fine. trim it far more finer than anything else, but still only trim it.

Ok, well I can only assume from your response that you don't feel comfortable with the US having control of WMDs, chemical, and biological weapons. Perhaps you could name an instance, any instance, where we were inaccurate when we used any of the three. Personally I can think of 2 instances when we used a WMD...pretty accurate I'd say. There is no instance, as far as I know, where the US used either chemical or biological weapons; and definitely not on our own people. You've succeeded in showing me absolutely no reason why the US, Britain, etc should not have these weapons. They're going to be made. They're going to exist. I'm far more comfortable knowing that the good guys are controlling them...partner.

The US tested chemical weapons on soldiers. Lots of proof of that.

And you nuked two cities.
Cities. Full of civilians. Where's the logic there ?


You probably wiped out more people in the matter of a few seconds than Saddam has his entire presidency.

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Originally posted by plenderj
The US tested chemical weapons on soldiers. Lots of proof of that.

And you nuked two cities.
Cities. Full of civilians. Where's the logic there ?


You probably wiped out more people in the matter of a few seconds than Saddam has his entire presidency.

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Don't forget we tested nukes with soldiers right in front of the blast radiating them.

Wouldn't want you to forget that fact :)

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They were in bunkers but you probably didn't hurt them.
The chemical testing however did hurt people.

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Originally posted by plenderj
They were in bunkers but you probably didn't hurt them.
The chemical testing however did hurt people.

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Most were just dug in trenches. They didn’t die right away but did contract cancers later in life. Just one of the mistakes the US government made. I realize my government does make mistakes sometimes but I do believe that generally they try to do the right thing.

X

Ok but we're avoiding the main question at hand: Who should control them if the US is so "careless" and "wreckless" and "inaccurate" and "good looking"????

No-one should have them. They should be outlawed.

Well, that's hard to argue with. I agree, they should be outlawed. I'm not sure how plausible that is, though.

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Originally posted by run_GMoney
Ok but we're avoiding the main question at hand: Who should control them if the US is so "careless" and "wreckless" and "inaccurate" and "good looking"????

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Maybe we should just gather all the WMDs, nukes etc. etc. (in fact ALL firearms and such weapons ;) ) together in Antarctica and set them on fire. That will destroy all those destructive weapons, we shall reduce the population by several millions when these weapons burn and the heat will melt the Antarctica, thereby providing enough drinking water to everybody that's left :D

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Agreed, I'm bringing my M-80's, sparklers, matches...oh and that nuke that's taking up all that space in my basement. Who's with me?

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Originally posted by run_GMoney
Agreed, I'm bringing my M-80's, sparklers, matches...oh and that nuke that's taking up all that space in my basement. Who's with me?

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I shall bring my pocket knife. Its blade is rusted, which makes it some sort of a biological weapon, making its victim catch titanus :D

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Originally posted by honeybee
I shall bring my pocket knife. Its blade is rusted, which makes it some sort of a biological weapon, making its victim catch titanus :D

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!!!TITANUS!!! OMG! What does THIS do???

It sounds HORRIFYING!

Is this some sort of mutated Tetanus? Does something enlarge to gigantic proportions?

OOPS! Sorry:D
I'm just one of those idiots who realized I should google for it.

http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Titanus

:p

This is a great thread, but it poses many questions.

Gaffa: What industry do you work in? I can't think of an industry that I would claim to be the most arrogant. Are you a porn star?

Maven: Curse you for your heretical statement about C++'s superiority. Ya know, you C++ people have to stop doing all your stuff half-assed. What's with those SEMI-colons? Are you ashamed of something? You should be using full colons, and nothing less!!

run_GMoney: I'm quite proud of this country as well, but there are many things we have done wrong, and many that we are currently doing wrong. If the squeaky wheel gets the grease, the non-squeaking wheel gets ignored. We are the standard in many things, but not all things. It is the failings that we must be working on. Count your blessings, but don't stop striving to improve.

PlenderJ: I pretty much agree with your views, thanks for being moderate in your responses, and don't respond to Arc, you sound too defensive. I love this country, but I don't love this war, and I didn't vote for this president. There are standard ways of dealing with conflicts with other countries, and I feel this one is unimaginative.

Arc: Lighten up, you aren't helping your case. You make constructive comments on coding, but seem to be mostly personal in this forum. Even if you dislike other's stands, you come across better if you don't deride them personally.

Titanus: This is a disease similar to tetanus, but it is newer, lighter, stronger, and burns very hot in pure oxygen.

If this war was about terrorism, we should be going after the Saudis. Saddam was an American client for a long time. We ignored his use of gas on Iran because we were fearful that he might actually lose that war. Saddam would still be an American client if we still needed clients.

The current administration includes people who were pushing for this war before the administration was elected. Within a week of 9/11, a memo was written asking how to use the attack as a reason to attack Iraq.

If we are worried about terrorism, why aren't we attacking the Saudis? Most of the 9/11 terrorists were Saudi, and Osama is, too.

If we are worried about WMD, why aren't we dealing constructively with North Korea? They can be dealt with without bloodshed, they have WMD, and they have a proven track record of a willingness to sell.

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Originally posted by Shaggy Hiker
This is a great thread, but it poses many questions.

Gaffa: What industry do you work in? I can't think of an industry that I would claim to be the most arrogant. Are you a porn star?

Maven: Curse you for your heretical statement about C++'s superiority. Ya know, you C++ people have to stop doing all your stuff half-assed. What's with those SEMI-colons? Are you ashamed of something? You should be using full colons, and nothing less!!

run_GMoney: I'm quite proud of this country as well, but there are many things we have done wrong, and many that we are currently doing wrong. If the squeaky wheel gets the grease, the non-squeaking wheel gets ignored. We are the standard in many things, but not all things. It is the failings that we must be working on. Count your blessings, but don't stop striving to improve.

PlenderJ: I pretty much agree with your views, thanks for being moderate in your responses, and don't respond to Arc, you sound too defensive. I love this country, but I don't love this war, and I didn't vote for this president. There are standard ways of dealing with conflicts with other countries, and I feel this one is unimaginative.

Arc: Lighten up, you aren't helping your case. You make constructive comments on coding, but seem to be mostly personal in this forum. Even if you dislike other's stands, you come across better if you don't deride them personally.

Titanus: This is a disease similar to tetanus, but it is newer, lighter, stronger, and burns very hot in pure oxygen.

If this war was about terrorism, we should be going after the Saudis. Saddam was an American client for a long time. We ignored his use of gas on Iran because we were fearful that he might actually lose that war. Saddam would still be an American client if we still needed clients.

The current administration includes people who were pushing for this war before the administration was elected. Within a week of 9/11, a memo was written asking how to use the attack as a reason to attack Iraq.

If we are worried about terrorism, why aren't we attacking the Saudis? Most of the 9/11 terrorists were Saudi, and Osama is, too.

If we are worried about WMD, why aren't we dealing constructively with North Korea? They can be dealt with without bloodshed, they have WMD, and they have a proven track record of a willingness to sell.

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All the good programmers walk around semi-naked ;™. =0)

Whoops, I better put some clothes on to live up to that standard.

Well, I'm a software engineer, but I think you've confused me (gaffa) with Gaffer (who is in fact someone else)....

- gaffa

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Originally posted by Shaggy Hiker

Arc: Lighten up, you aren't helping your case. You make constructive comments on coding, but seem to be mostly personal in this forum. Even if you dislike other's stands, you come across better if you don't deride them personally.

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Umm, excuse me?? I had not even posted to this thread. plenderj is the one who made the personal attack on me! Saying i turn threads into crap by calling names when he's the one calling me names for no reason in a thread i have not even participated in!

So maybe i have called a couple of certain people "ignorant", big freaking deal.. sometimes they make ignorant statements! Personally attacking me in a thread i have not even participated in is, in my opinion, a lot worse offense, but there was not one word said about that..:rolleyes: But i'm not gunna complain, i'm just pointing out a fact. I try not to get tied up in the petty stuff. If i think someone has made an ignorant remark then i say so. I don't do it just to be an ass. And if someone says i'm being ignorant then i respect that and try to see if they are correct.

But as plenderj has admited he puposely plays devils advocate therefore insiting flames and becoming a flame maganet by posting things that are obviously insinsitive and ment to cause controversy. Well if he wants to play that game then he should be prepared to be called a couple names.:D

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Originally posted by NotLKH
!!!TITANUS!!! OMG! What does THIS do???

It sounds HORRIFYING!

Is this some sort of mutated Tetanus? Does something enlarge to gigantic proportions?

OOPS! Sorry:D
I'm just one of those idiots who realized I should google for it.

http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Titanus

:p

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I was actually thinking about all the various curses in HP, and got confused .... :(

Now that you mention it, that gives me a good idea, though :p Creating a virus that will give you a mutated tetanus, whatever that means. Off to visit Mr. Aziz now .....

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Sorry Gafa, I did mean Gaffer, he's the porn star. Software engineers probably aren't the haughtiest.

Arc: I realize you didn't start in this thread, I was just commenting in general. You two are sniping back and forth, and it isn't very becoming of either of you. Step above it, you have more to offer than that.