Why you SHOULD smoke...

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Originally posted by sk8o
1) Financially stupid.

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How so? The government makes billions on tax money charged on the sale of tobacco products. How much of it do you think they put back into treating tobacco-related illness, research or any other related expense? I'm sure it's a small fraction of the dollars they make.

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2) what about all those breaks your taking, technically all the other staff in the workplace have to work harder (more stress to others) to compensate so you should pay loads more tax in the first place nevermmind tax on smokes!

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What breaks? Everywhere I ever worked everyone got the same breaks. Smokers weren't allotted extra breaks. How old are you? Have you ever had a job?

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yep thats correct, your right, the hundreds of studies that have been completed by various medical sources are all wrong.

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People like to quote facts that they've never actually researched themselves. Those "hundreds of studies" you mention never actually happened. A few studies have indicated that second-hand smoke is harmful through extended (many years) contact with a smoker such as working in a smoked filled environment or living with one. Since 99.999% of all work places do not allow smoking in common areas any more, this is no longer an issue. That leaves living with a smoker which is dangerous, I admit. Those people have a right to complain, but they should complain to the people they live with who smoke.

Studies showed no evidence that second hand smoke in free air areas has any effect on anyone else. I've actually looked at the studies. Have you or are you just quoting things that you've heard?

If you drive a car, your car puts out more deadly poisons and toxins in one drive to work than my smoking does in a year. When you go home again, that's another year. So in a couple months, you've created more deadly toxins in the environment than my smoking will in a lifetime. But it's always easier to point fingers at other people, isn't it?

If you're really concerned about your health then put your money where your mouth is. Stop buying products that are painted (all kinds of toxins put into the environment) or made of plastic (here's some stuff that's good for your health, right?) and stop driving a car. You can survive that way - a lot of people do it. But I'll bet you don't want to give up the conveniences these things offer.

I'm really tired of hearing people complain about the health risks that smokers present to them when they aren't willing to make changes to their own lifestyle that WOULD AFFECT THEM MORE than having any number of smokers quit.

I'm a smoker and to be honest, I really hate seeing butts all over the ground. But I'm also tired of seeing McDonalds wrappers all over the place. When a non-smoker sees a butt on the ground, they always say something like, "ALL smokers should have to clean these up." or something along the lines of punishment for ALL smokers. But they never say "every person who eats at McDonalds should have to clean these up."

For the record, I don't throw my butts on the ground. If there isn't a place to throw it away, then I field strip the butt and put it in my pocket until I find a garbage can to put it in.

By the way, smoking does not relieve stress... it causes stress. It also makes smokers more prone to having stess in the first place. Nicotine is a stimulant and all stimulants are stress producing.

When was the last time you heard this one:

"He went to the bar after work, had one smoke too many and went home and beat the crap out of his wife and kids?"

Or

"That auto accident was caused by someone who smoked one too many? (we're talking about tobacco here)."


Pop Quiz time:

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What is the most abused and most dangerous drug in the world today? Why is it legal? Why isn't everyone up in arms about the number of people who die at the hands of people who use it? Why isn't it being taxed as highly as tobacco? Why are far safer drugs such as marijuana illegal while thousands of people die every year as a direct result of this one drug?

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Note: It doesn't matter if you answer any of these questions correctly. Nothing will change no matter how you feel about it.

All your whinging matters little. I fail to see why I have to drive the extra miles to find a restaurant that isn't smoke filled and pay for the extra petrol just to accomodate your right to filth.
Fook that. Go smoke somewhere else and let me enjoy my steak.
That's why I greatly applaud the incentive to ban smoking from all public places. I don't care how much you can smoke and how it doesn't affect anyone, I like my food and drink clean and as I ordered it. I don't need the extra tar layer on my plate, thank you very much.
Smoke if you must but not in my vicinity or I'll stuff the damn cancer stick down your throat.

Reasons Why We Hate 2nd Hand Smoke:

1) Smoke Smells
2) Potentially Can Damage Our Health
3) Causes US (Not YOU) To Choke
4) Creates an uncomfortable atmosphere

I dont ask you not to smoke i just ask that you dont smoke and cause discomfort to others by blowing smoke away from you and onto others!!!!!!

Ill tell you another think that really pisses me off, Mobile Phones Constantly Ringing

Reasons Why

1) Quote "Tut Not Another Call" Well Switch THE FU**ING THING OFF

2) Noisy and used by many as a status simbol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

3) Quote "Ill See You In A Minute" What Was The Point Of The Dam Call

4) If They Are Proven To Cause Dangerous Side Effects Does That Mean I Am Being Damaged By Others!!!!!!!!!

5) Driving with mobile in one Hand And one Hand On The Wheel (HHmmmmm because i trust you to stop before going headlong into the back of me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad: :mad: )

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Originally posted by Wally Pipp
All your whinging matters little. I fail to see why I have to drive the extra miles to find a restaurant that isn't smoke filled and pay for the extra petrol just to accomodate your right to filth.
Fook that. Go smoke somewhere else and let me enjoy my steak.
That's why I greatly applaud the incentive to ban smoking from all public places. I don't care how much you can smoke and how it doesn't affect anyone, I like my food and drink clean and as I ordered it. I don't need the extra tar layer on my plate, thank you very much.
Smoke if you must but not in my vicinity or I'll stuff the damn cancer stick down your throat.

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I agree with you Wally. I don't think anyone should have to inhale someone else's smoke. That's a Europe thing though. In America, most restaurants don't have smoking sections any more.

Here most of restaurants have seperate areas :rolleyes:
One: you have to part company or put up with the smoke and two : the smoke drifts in most places over to the non-smoking area anyway so why bother ?
Restaurant owners are afraid to ban it altogether because then they stand to lose customers and yadda yadda yadda.
Loadsabollocks I say. Are you running a restaurant or a tobacco shop ? Morons ...

You should not be able to smoke where food is being served because its a horrible smell and can put you off your food!!!!!

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Originally posted by Wally Pipp
All your whinging matters little. I fail to see why I have to drive the extra miles to find a restaurant that isn't smoke filled and pay for the extra petrol just to accomodate your right to filth.
Fook that. Go smoke somewhere else and let me enjoy my steak.
That's why I greatly applaud the incentive to ban smoking from all public places. I don't care how much you can smoke and how it doesn't affect anyone, I like my food and drink clean and as I ordered it. I don't need the extra tar layer on my plate, thank you very much.
Smoke if you must but not in my vicinity or I'll stuff the damn cancer stick down your throat.

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Hear, hear.

That's one good piece of speech, Wally :)

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Originally posted by Wally Pipp
Here most of restaurants have seperate areas :rolleyes:
One: you have to part company or put up with the smoke and two : the smoke drifts in most places over to the non-smoking area anyway so why bother ?
Restaurant owners are afraid to ban it altogether because then they stand to lose customers and yadda yadda yadda.
Loadsabollocks I say. Are you running a restaurant or a tobacco shop ? Morons ...

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I wish Thunder Bay Ontario Canada (where i live) would follow ottowas lead and ban smoking in public places. Unfortunately a huge percentage of the population here smokes :rolleyes:

I live in Ottawa. The ban caused an outcry from bars and restaurants, and as i understand it, some temporarily lost significant amounts of business. That was enough to drive some smaller restaurants out of business, but the ones who survived gradually regained business. People still eat and drink after all.

As I understand it, the city of Ney York is in the process of implementing their own smoking ban, and they even asked for a one of our city councellors to visit and advise them based on his experience in Ottawa.

Personally, I'm for the ban, but for purely selfish reason. I appreciate not having to inhale smoke in restaurants. However, i understand how inconvenient it could be for smokers. They can't exactly quit overnight.

coming from a smoker, I have no problem If smoking is banned indoors. I personally hate breathing in smoke while I eat unless It is from a Mesquite grill with a huge rack of BabyBack Ribs on it. I dont even smoke indoors at home. I do get very pissed at the outdoor non smoking sections. There is a public park here that is completly non smoking. The parents in the childrens playground were worried that the smoke would blow across the 2 lane highway and give their babies cancer. That sort of stuff pisses me off. Now I can't fish, drink and smoke at the same time 2 miles from the dumb asses and their dumb babies. :mad:

Master Blaster:

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The parents in the childrens playground were worried that the smoke would blow across the 2 lane highway and give their babies cancer. That sort of stuff pisses me off. Now I can't fish, drink and smoke at the same time 2 miles from the dumb asses and their dumb babies.

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I Agree That Is Excessive and an attitude like that by people will just force smokers to do it anyway. A balance is needed and both sides need to compromise!!!

I quit smoking cold-turkey almost exactly 1 year ago. I had smoked for 26 years. My wife has never smoked, and hassled me alot about it for the first 7 or so years of our marriage. I invented some really neat ways to hide it from her, and snuck out alot. Her attitude just made me want to smoke more :). Finally, she quit bugging me about it 8 or so years ago, and last year I finally felt ready to quit and did. I'm not now one of these ex-smokers who hates smoking. It has its place. Point(s)?

1) If you don't want to quit then don't.

2) If you smoke, try to be considerate of others who don't.

3) Ditto if you don't smoke.

4) If you feel deep down inside that you want to and/or should quit, you can. It IS possible. The first couple of months are a b*tch, but then you're home free.

5) The final decision should be yours alone and no one else's.


Do I feel better?? In some ways yes, and some ways no. The morning coughs and occasional chest pains are gone. I can now get VERY close to my wife :) without always having to clean up first.

I miss smoking sometimes cause I actually liked to smoke, and it was such a big part of my life. My short-term concentration is down a bit sometimes but is improving.

Just some hopefully helpful insight from a recent quitter.

Part of the problem is that some people who smoke dont grasp how disgusting indoor smoking can be. If you are a smoker who sees nothing wrong with smoking indoors, just think of a tobacco chewer walking into your home and spitting on you, your floor, your walls, your wife, your children, ... :D
Smoke if you want (do try to understand the risks though), but try no to hold it against non smokers when they dont want to be in the vicinity when you light up.

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Originally posted by The Hobo
I never really understand smoking. I always mocked people for it. Never really saw the point.

Costs a lot of money
Makes you stink
Turns your teeth and nails yellow
Can cause handfulls of diseases
Wastes your time that you would have wasted elsewhere.

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... right, but the number one reason not to smoke is:

you don't have your mom and dad all day picking on you to give it up.

You are either somebody with experiance of a parent who is giving somebody this experiance :D :D :D :D :D :D

Yes, I was a former smoker a few years ago and decided to quit just not to stand any longer my mom trying to talk me out of it every 2 hours.
But I'll give you another reeason that contributed quite a bit, too: I was always running out of matches or gas for my lighter or running out of money and my smoker friends were regarding me as some sponger.

The lesson of the above post is:

It's good to have a job.

Smoking is the perfect way of commiting suicide.

If you want a long drawn out death and is a pefect way to get back at the local health authorities and medical insurance companies

What annoys me is in the UK we have a health service that is free (Other than tax). When people smoke they should accept that it is killing them, but oh no when they suddenly become ill they sponge off the health service and moan about how bad it is. Its because of people like them that it is so bad, old people did not know at the time it was that dangerous but young people today do know it and still insist on killing themselves and then demanding help from doctors who cant do anything and have already told them to stop.

The woman who won loads of money from a ciggerette company is just a sad loser who doesnt want to take responsibility for her own actions and blames somebody else. As far as we know this may be the only life we get so why the f*** waste it and shorten it by smoking expensive and dangerouse chemicals!!!!!!

NEVER EVER BLAME SOMEBODY ELSE IF YOU DIE BECAUSE OF SMOKING, YOU KNOW THE RISKS AND IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY AND STUPIDITY THAT GETS YOU THERE.


P.s Dont even get me started on drug users they are a **** and a half bunged into a pea sized brain!!!!! :D :D :D :D :D

Cigarettes are good for your sex drive. They release endorphines that increase your concentration which in turn enables you to operate a vehicle whilst you get a blowjob.
Also the nicotine is good for impotence. Lots of smokers suffer from it. But the nicotine afterwards takes away the stress so that's good !

Me gots more points for the smoking

(Some may be repeated, so spare me the scolding)


Studies have shown that prolonged contact (as in several years) with second hand smoking can cause mild lung problems. Second hand smoke has no immediate harmful effects.

Actually, why not just ban non-smokers? :D

Too much is made of the 4000 chemicals that make up a cigarette. Several carcinogens found in cigarettes are found in peppers, carrots, strawberries, tomatoes, onions and grapefruit.

Believe it or not, nicotine is actually "a surprisingly potent drug for a variety of diseases that afflict the brain, including Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s and Tourette’s syndrome." (An image makeover for nicotine: It shows promise against brain diseases, HealthCentral.com - Feb. 21, 2000) Smokers have a 60% lower risk of Parkinson's disease

Nicotine has a positive effect on ulcerative colitis, which is an inflammation of the stomach lining, and this disorder affects nonsmokers more than smokers.

Smokers actually recovered better from a heart attack than nonsmokers

Smoking was found to reduce the risk of estrogen-dependent endometrial cancer (dunno what that means, it just sounds really cool)

Schizophrenics (4 million Americans) who smoke can get enough nicotine stimulation to switch on a brain receptor that helps filter information.

Stanford researchers have discovered that low doses of nicotine - a major component of cigarette smoke - appear to promote new blood vessel growth (in mice). (“Nicotine to be used to treat heart disease,” Reuters Health, HealthCentral.com - Sept. 2000)

Alcohol is even more harmful than smoking. Yet not much is said against it as compared to smoking. Half a bottle of wine can supply you with 32-40 times the amount of lead a whole pack of smokes can give you.

"Sick smokers may burden a country's health care system but dead smokers save governments money" This was in a report released to the Czech government, I believe.

Wasn't the Czech president Walesa treated for lung cancer recently ? He survived it but he had to quit politics.

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Originally posted by mendhak
"Sick smokers may burden a country's health care system but dead smokers save governments money" This was in a report released to the Czech government, I believe.

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Not to mention the tax paid on the cigarettes in the first place, in some countries this provides more than half of the cost of the health service.

The UK is one such country - the NHS (National Health Service) costs around £25 Billion a year, the excise duty taken from the sale of tobacco is well over £11 Billion; add on taxes (VAT, Corporation Taxes etc), and this soon raises above the half the cost of the NHS.

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Originally posted by Anony
Wasn't the Czech president Walesa treated for lung cancer recently ? He survived it but he had to quit politics.

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Czech mate! Walesa is a Pole.

You Really believe all that tax goes into the NHS?????

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

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Originally posted by BodwadUK
You Really believe all that tax goes into the NHS?????

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

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No, like with all taxes it all goes into a big central fund, then gets given out to all relevant places (Health service, Police, Road building etc). NO taxes go directly to where they theoretically "should", the important thing is the amounts that get thru in the end.

£25 Billion goes to the NHS. This (like almost all government expenditure) is collected from taxes, but not from anywhere in specific. I just stated that the amount collected from duties on tobbaco products is more than half this amount ;)

Just for your information mendHak I suffer from Ulcerative Colitis. Firstly it is not a disease that affects the stomach lining. Ulcerative Colitis is chronic inflamtion of the large bowel caused by diet and/or an auto immune response (they are yet to pin point an exact trigger) and secondly, not once has a doctor suggested to me that I start smoking to cure it.

What you say about nicotine is right. It does have many useful applications in the treatment of certain diseases. However smoking it is suicidal. When you smoke a Cigarette you are inhaling smoke and smoke inhalation is not good at the best of times. Not only that Cigarette smoke contains acid. This acid progressively dissolves the delicate lining between the alvioli and the thin caplliaries around it which carry out gas exchange in the lungs.

As well as this the Cigarette smoke contains a high concentration of carcinogens which yes is contained in other foods but we don't smoke tomatos, we eat them and our digestive tract is better able to deal with them than our lungs. Not only this the benifits of fruit and vegetables far out weigh their disadvantages. These foods contain large amounts of anti-oxidents which can delay the on-slaut of cancer and prevent some of the damage caused by the oxygen we breath.

Cigarette smoke also contains tar. This sticky substance gradually builds up in our lungs reducing their ability to filter out harmful substances and forigen bodies from the air we breath. It also contributes to heart disease resulting in the build up of cholesterol in major arteries. This is like injecting neat bacon fat in to your blood srteam (probably better for you than smoking).

I could go on for days about all the harmful chemicals in Cigarette smoke. But the most harmless of all "Nicotine" is actually the killer, because it is addictive.

So over a long period your lungs literally rot away and turn black until they can no longer work. So anyone who actaully thinks smoking has benifits is MAD.

Dont you remember the picture in the text book at school of a pair of black diseased lungs. All becuase that person smoked!!!!


Yea but haf pays for government members wages and the wages of the civil servants that dont do anything. Look at planning permission it takes weeks even months to get it because of all the bloody paperwork that is pointless and constantly repeated. The governent today wastes alot of money because it wont modernise and when it does it ends up buying off some scandelous person. :D :D :D :D :D

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Originally posted by mendhak
...Only 1 in 3 of us will get lung cancer. (By "us" I also include non smokers).

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Coincidentally enough, 1 in 3 of us are smokers. :D

















Actually I made that up

But its only smokers and people in environments with smokers that get lung cancer!!!!!

Get rid of that and the odds are drastically reduced!!!!:D :D ;)

Who should smoke?
The only people who should smoke are people who want to shorten their life.
You may as well attach a time bomb to yourself.

I am certainly not attracted to women who smoke and i cant see why women would be attracted to men who smoke.

Oh and if you think smoking maks you look like a MAN then the fact that more women smoke should put you into perspective because all men who smoke look more feminine!!!!

LOL :D :cool: :D :D :D :D :D

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Originally posted by The Hobo
I wrote a paper on the legalization of pot and what it'd do for the economy. From my perspective, working at a box office in a movie theatre in a melting pot community, we have a heavy number of high black people that come in and have the munchies.

They go over to the stands and spend $30 buying nachos with "meat" and pizzas.

Pot is the best thing that's happened to some movie theatres.

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lol, can i read it?

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Originally posted by BodwadUK
I am certainly not attracted to women who smoke

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Its like kissing an ash tray:sick:

With a gremlin attached!!! :lol:

"Smoking is slow suicide!"

Well, I am in no hurry! :p

Only the good die young

Only because they are not grumpy old buggers!!!!


I plan to be a right grumpy old man and thus have a hell of a laugh when i retire. Pitty you wont be around to enjoy it :lol: :lol: :lol:

I'd see it as thinning out the herd if it weren't for the collateral damage of second hand smoke ...

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from the BBC Nov. 03
Q&A: Passive smoking

Tobacco smoke contains many chemicals
A group of leading doctors has called for a total ban on smoking in public places.
They are concerned about the health effects of passive smoking. BBC News Online examines the evidence.

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What is passive smoking?

Simply, breathing in other people's tobacco smoke. This is made up of "sidestream" smoke from the burning tip of the cigarette, and "mainstream" smoke that has been inhaled and then exhaled by the smoker. Sidestream smoke accounts for nearly 85% of the smoke in a room.

What's in the smoke?

Tobacco smoke contains over 4000 chemicals in the form of particles and gases. The particulate phase includes tar, nicotine, benzene and benzo(a)pyrene. The gas phase includes carbon monoxide, ammonia, dimethylnitrosamine, formaldehyde, hydrogen cyanide and acrolein. It has been estimated that tobacco smoke contains as many as 60 substances which cause - or are suspected of causing - cancer. And many irritate the tissues of the respiratory system. The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) in the USA has classified environmental tobacco smoke as a class A carcinogen - ranking it alongside asbestos and arsenic.

What effect does it have on the passive smoker?

Breathing in other people's smoke can cause eye irritation, headache, cough, sore throat, dizziness and nausea. Just 30 minutes exposure can be enough to reduce blood flow through the heart. There is also evidence to show that people with asthma can experience a significant decline in lung function when exposed. Whether or not passive smoking can trigger new cases of asthma is a hotly debated issue.

What about in the longer term?

Non-smokers who are exposed to passive smoking in the home, have a 25% increased risk of heart disease and lung cancer. A major review by the Government-appointed Scientific Committee on Tobacco and Health (SCOTH) concluded that passive smoking is a cause of lung cancer and ischaemic heart disease in adult non-smokers, and a cause of respiratory disease, cot death, middle ear disease and asthmatic attacks in children. There is also some evidence to suggest that passive smoking may affect children's mental development. A US study found deficits in reading and reasoning skills among children even at low levels of smoke exposure. However, it is true that the health risks of breathing in other people's tobacco smoke are much smaller than those posed by actually smoking. And the pro-smoking lobby, including the campaigning group FOREST, argue that the case against passive smoking has never been properly proved. They point to a study by the University of California published in the British Medical Journal earlier this year which found that the link between environmental tobacco smoke and coronary heart disease and lung cancer may be considerably weaker than generally believed.

How widespread is passive smoking?

Of course, anybody who regularly frequents pubs or bars is inevitably going to breathe in a significant amount of tobacco smoke. However, a survey by the anti-smoking charity ASH in 1999 found that about 3 million people in the UK are exposed to passive smoke at work. And it is also estimated that almost half of all children in the UK are exposed to tobacco smoke at home. One study found that in households where both parents smoke, young children have a 72% increased risk of respiratory illnesses. Research also shows that children whose parents smoke in the home are more likely to be admitted to hospital for bronchitis and pneumonia in the first year of life. More than 17,000 children under the age of five are admitted to hospital every year because of the effects of passive smoking.

What do other countries do?

Banning smoking in public places is a highly controversial move, which has been resisted by the UK government so far. However, some countries, including Ireland, Turkey and Norway, have accepted that a ban is the only way to tackle the problem of smoking effectively.

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However small the effects on non-smokers may be, they aren't negligeable. And as long as that is the case I'd say restrict smoking to the private areas or designated smoke areas.

Anyone seen that nasty advert on in the uk about the build up in the arterys???

Nasty stuff but proves the point :lol: :lol:

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Originally posted by BodwadUK
Anyone seen that nasty advert on in the uk about the build up in the arterys???

Nasty stuff but proves the point :lol: :lol:

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The problem is as nasty as it may be people will soon get used to it. What you don't get used to though is when its your own family.

Seeing my Grandad on the floor being resuscitated and covered in his own puke was enough to put me off smoking forever.

What makes me laugh is the authorities spend all this time and money on making sure our food is safe to eat and products like lip stick are safe to use and cigarretts get totally by passed.

But thats OK cause they just kill you:rolleyes:

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Originally posted by visualAd
What makes me laugh is the authorities spend all this time and money on making sure our food is safe to eat and products like lip stick are safe to use and cigarretts get totally by passed.

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I work for a tobacco company, and I'm afraid I know for a fact that what you said there is incorrect.

Tobacco products conform to much more stringent regulations than food. There are the food regulations that are abided by, and additional restrictions of particular substances that are allowed in food (including tighter limits at the crop stage than food).

We regularly submit testing samples to government laboratories in many countries (and we even have one inside our main factory - so they can take any samples they like, any time they like).

Here's a little fact for you - we have fewer IT staff than staff confirming our products exceed the standards set in each country we sell in.

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Originally posted by si_the_geek
I work for a tobacco company, and I'm afraid I know for a fact that what you said there is incorrect.

Tobacco products conform to much more stringent regulations than food. There are the food regulations that are abided by, and additional restrictions of particular substances that are allowed in food (including tighter limits at the crop stage than food).

We regularly submit testing samples to government laboratories in many countries (and we even have one inside our main factory - so they can take any samples they like, any time they like).

Here's a little fact for you - we have fewer IT staff than staff confirming our products exceed the standards set in each country we sell in.

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A complete waste of time if you ask me. They are still bad for your health and they still kill people.

If you ask me its just a way of making them less un healthy so tabbaco companies can keep you alive longer and keep selling you thier products.

Despite what you seem to think, we do have morals. Tobacco products are becoming more healthy all the time because of good intentions (and a very large part of development budgets).

We dont force anybody to smoke, and we have no argument with people giving up smoking if that is what they want - I have seen one of our executives congratulating a member of staff (who he didnt know) on giving up.

I personally get offended by people who insist that I shouldnt smoke because they dont. I dont force my smoke on to people, so why should they force me to not smoke?
Do I try to force people not to drink alcohol? No, even though it arguably does much more medical damage.

I dont object to people smoking but i ask they dont do it near me. I dont smoke because i want to be healthy. thats why i beleive in stopping smoking in public places. And the creation of smoking areas that wont effect non smokers.

Theres nothing i cant stand more than trying to eat a meal when somebody behind me is smoking. :( :( :(

Don't force your smoke upon anyone ... if you ever lit up a cigarette in a pub or any other crowded indoor place you are effectively forcing your smoke upon others.

I'm not saying you shouldn't smoke. Hell, smoke like a chimney for all I care but I'm saying don't do it in public indoor places. Do it in the confines of your own home or the outside.

And besides, no-one drinking a beer intoxicates anyone else but himself. Beer (or any other alcoholic substance) doesn't require to be expelled from the body (unless you pee or vomit but that's not lethal). You could enter a bar where everyone's drinking and not bothering anyone else and you can walk out as healthy as you were when you entered. Try that in a smoke filled bar and you sure as hell walk out with at least some second hand smoke in your lungs.

That's the difference.

I agree that people shouldnt force their smoke on others - we are allowed to smoke at our desks at work, but I dont (i go to the window instead), as I know people dont like it.

I agree that you shouldnt be forced to have smokers around you when you are eating, but at the same time, smokers shouldnt be forced to completely stop smoking in public.

If there are separate areas for smokers (as with many restaurants & a few bars), then that is great (ideal in fact), but if not then you cant expect people to stop (in non-food places anyway).

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Despite what you seem to think, we do have morals. Tobacco products are becoming more healthy all the time because of good intentions (and a very large part of development budgets).

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All companies are out to make money. I personally think if cigaretts were taken from the economy. It would do a large amount of damage.

It's not only the tabbaco companies that profit. It's also the companies that offer the nicotine patches and all the other sutff they give you to help quit. Advertisers and drug companies too.

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We dont force anybody to smoke, and we have no argument with people giving up smoking if that is what they want.

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Its the nicotine that does that. Once someone is hooked all you guys have to worry about is making sure they don't switch to a different brand of cigaretts.

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I personally get offended by people who insist that I shouldnt smoke because they dont. I dont force my smoke on to people, so why should they force me to not smoke?

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Your right. Its up to the individual. If someone chooses to pollute their body with cr*p and pay high prices for the priviledge, then all the luck to them. At the end of the day it is the consumer who suffers and although I don't agree with the morals and ethics behind tabbaco companies profitting from others miss fortune its here to stay.

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Do I try to force people not to drink alcohol? No, even though it arguably does much more medical damage.

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Where did you get that from??? It can potentially do you a lot more damage if you drink loads of the stuff. But so can alot of other products. If you eat an entire orchard of apples it would probably kill you, a fry up for lunch, breakfast and dinner every day of your life. A table spoon of ethonol (100% alcohol) infact would do you servere liver damage if it doesn't kill.

All these products in sensible moderation, however, have proven health benifits.

Cigarrets on the other hand are bad for you and there is no argument about that. Even one a week does damage.

ethanol is a poison :) :)

Another thing that annoys me is the smell. It sticks to you like nobodys buisness.

I wouldnt work in a place that allows smoking indoors but i do respect the fact that it is my decision. :) :) :)

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Originally posted by BodwadUK
ethanol is a poison :) :)

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Ethonol is alcohol. Pure in form. Alcohol is a poison too.

Ethonol == Poison == Alcohol == Ethonol

I was trying to make the point that too much alcohol can kill you quite quickly. :D

a simple drop of pure ethonol will kill you :lol: :lol: :lol: 10 pints of Cider will kill me :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Originally posted by BodwadUK
a simple drop of pure ethonol will kill you :lol: :lol: :lol: 10 pints of Cider will kill me :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Is it a quick pleasant death?

I wouldnt remember :lol: :lol: :lol: