Will someone give this guy some coffee.
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Originally posted by Gen-X
If you disagree why don't you actually state some reasons instead of shooting your mouth off and letting it dribble into your nappies?
If you have sometime when you are not writing those long boring messages, read JDavidson's posting and you might learn something smarty. The no name guy is right too, you are full of it. I read your evolution junk and some of it contradicts each other.
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Originally posted by Gen-X
I really can't stand people that take a swipe at something yet don't even have the intelligence or the GUTS to say WHY it is they have a different opinion.
Or is monosybalic rhetoric your only capability?
I don't care what you can stand. You don't have the intelligence for me to waste my time to talk intellectual. You tried to portray yourself as an intellectual individual with all those fancy grandiloquence words but you are nothing more than just a sad case. You are a looser who criticize but still uses their softwares for a living. You should be grateful to have a job.
Why don't you go and compete with Microsoft instead of using their software for a living? HMMMM.....
Is that intellectual enough for you? Name one thing in the world that is on the top, but have no errors. Can you name one? Of course not!
[Edited by Wolfman on 06-14-2000 at 05:07 PM]
A few more comments to add.
I have just packaged a vb app and ran it on another pc with no vb software installed. It installed and ran fine. Also GEN if you are going to quote me use all the information I gave with it. You take on line of my statement and ignore rest of to try and support your argument. VHS and Beta came out at approx. the same time. I do remember this. I will admit that in my opinion that the beta was better but it never caught on the same way that VHS does, mostly because of the marketing I believe( it was a while ago). But to give another example, Commodore was probably the most popular computer of the time by far but look what happened there. Also look at the intel chip. Intel was the sole cpu manufacture for pcs but AMD is taking more and more of the market. It can be done, you just need to build and market the better mouse trap.
I like Macs but...Gen-X review this
Ok even if MS don't give the full skinny on their API and other hidden niceties, till well after their own developers have cranked out the latest version of Office, they still provide the framework in an open fashion. Note the ease of getting at APIs.
For years Apple refused to allow access to the internal workings of their OS, that is why a lot of developers move to Windows and made it the number 1 OS for desktops.
Who wanted to dick around while Apple made their minds up about the next generation OS...should we go Next, should will go BeOs...now they are even talking about going to a Linux/Unix cross bred OS. These guys are idiots. Bill Gates was absolutely brilliant in getting a standard out, it may not be the best, but it will be improved on in subsequent releases. Meaning l can start development today, not when the vendor finally gives a direction.
64-bit for the Intel platform is only a year or so away, do you want to risk the wishy washy approach Apple will no doubt take on their OS for the Motorola equivelent, or will you invest in the Wintel consortium.
Apples are still desktop machines. AppleLink is a joke, and their so called network printing is a complete shambles. NT creams them everytime. Win2000 should also give Unix a run for it's money.:):):):):)
No offense to anyone...but as a desktop machine Apples are great...as a business tool they sux.
Gen l agree with you and stated that
If you read the previous statement l made mention of the fact that many API calls aren't document, or at the best are documented way after their use in MS Applications.
Hopefully with the breakup into an OS and a Apps Company this will improve.
l agree with you...API calls should be put into classes, this would make immediate and profound changes to the industries view of vb et al.
And who was the idiot that stated vb is easy to develop in. Sure if your apps never get beyond the "Teach Yourself VB in 21 days", but if you start having to use APIs, classes, and numerous third party addins the process blows out in complexitiy. We have a couple of intern programmers...Uni types working in spare time....and they are having great problems with some of the more advanced vb stuff even though they have been taught C++ at Uni......
Now thats a good point Gen
That is the best point you have made so far. I'm not saying vb is the ultimate language. but in most case it is the most efficient and effective way to do things. From a web developers perspective I have found it to be the best of the language for overall use. I wont argue C++ and Java arent more powerful because they are but they are definately more complicated and more time consuming. Feel sorry for you about having to deal with SQL Server 6.5 though I have to say it was not one of MS better products but after working with 7.0 and Oracle I think SQL server is the better way to go although Oracle has better error handling. Good luck on your project, I can sympathize.
John
VB is very commonly used in web actually
You would be suprised how often VB is used in web development. Most of our com objects are written in VB and our asp pages are written with VB script. It runs great. Yes its true that it runs in an NT enviroment only but Every developmnet project I have seen has been in NT and we constantly use COM objects. Vb script is not that much different than VB itself as far as the the syntax they are almost Identical. Most companies now seem to want to stay away from CGIs and java applets. We do use java too but it is more time consuming to write alot of functions and VB is the most efficient language in alot of cases.
[Edited by jdavison on 06-19-2000 at 11:25 AM]
Hey Genital-X!!! Are you still trying to be intellectual incline?
You rest nothing! Here is the idiot that made fun of my fictional member name. At least, I don't have a name that is slang for a b**ch! Genital-X chromosomes.
Gen-X yeap your right but
Ok for fast web servers unix is the go. However NT servers are catching up, and with the next generation of MS products will overtake unix.
We are in the process of sourcing a Unix box to host our web stuff...because unix rocks for web processing. Hmmmm will probably have to adopt either Java or the Delphi clone to get full ecommerce going.
Did I offend you in some way
Have I done something to you that I am not aware of or is it just because I disagree with you on some issue. Every time I say anything your quick to jump all over it like you know everything which you don't so give it up. I do realize that most ISPs use unix but from a COMMERCIAL prespective(since I need to be specific) most development is done for an NT enviroment. Nasa is even running asp code. As I stated before, VB is not the ultimate programming language but it has its benefits. But then again, unless I agree with you, I dont know what I am talking about do I. I am sure you'll change what I have said to make your point seem more valid as you have taken everything I say out of context.
Gen-X you are certainly getting the natives restless
Wolfman
Maybe ya could have an arguement with my four year old son. What a waste of posts
jdavison
Maybe if your post were more accurate then Gen-X wouldn't attack them.
I disagree..the last three web servers we have installed have all been linux boxes. Sure Microsoft will eventually dominate with NT/ASP/XML, but there are a large number of sites companies which have no foot in the MS world....
Have formed own company, and yes we will be using UNIX for Web deployment...till Vis Studio 7 anyway
Just when l thought it was safe back at this site
Oh no its Batman.......am tracking you dude. Following you back to your home page. Hmmmm.....Wolfman seems like the type of block you would be great mates with..
Remember am getting closer to your lair.
Batman your a real wannabe
Maybe you should go back to playing with your Nintendo. And we are tracking you.......hmmmm....actually my four year old is probably a bit too smart for you guys and would get bored with the level of conversation.
And no am not trying to project your style.....that would involve complete loss of all abilities on the keyboard...
Any way back to commercial coding..........been fun......but more challenges await on other sites
Batman Killed TesticleMole
Surrender Jetho, for the good of humaninty and this forum..He killed my collegue TesticleMole.
Chuck a Spanner in the Works
What do you guys think about C# (C Sharp) ???
http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/ne...sharpintro.asp
It'll be in the next version of Visual Studio, It's based on C/C++ but fixed up, not as messy as C++.
It's said that it will be RAD like VB to bring productivity levels up on a lower level language. I think it's looks like it'll be worth at least trying out. Value and Reference Variable types are pre-set so there will be no int pointers, just array, object and string type pointers.
No screen shots yet unfortunately but the language syntax is released.
I'll definately have a play with it. (especially if next version VB still can't static link and C# can)
Mac OS to Windows like Apples to Oranges
Two things to consider when people talk about how stable the Mac OS is . . .
First, how many third party hardware vendors does Mac have to coordinate with to get things in line for a new release of their OSes???
Now, just try to imagine the logistics involved when Microsoft coordinates a release of Windows!!! The PC is the only game in town for most of the hardware vendors out there, and when Win X comes out, there will be thousands of drivers on that CD from hundreds of companies. It's amazing that all this hardware works with the operating system as often as it does and it's this huge sea of choices that we have on the PC that makes Windows the place to be!
Second, can anyone count as high as there are software titles available for the PC? Just think about all that freaking software that has to co-exist peacefully in your registry. When you're cursing at the Blue Screen of Death, I hope you realize that it's just as likely to be sloppy code in the program you were running or software that you uninstalled that didn't properly cleanup after itself that made you crash as it is something that Windows did to you.
I'm not saying that we should be so grateful to Microsoft that we should tolerate these occasional crashes that we have to deal with in the Windows world, but I have a feeling that as maniacal as Microsoft is about annihilating the competition, the more they hear about people going over to Linux because of the stability it provides, the more they'll work to tighten the code.
Going back to the comparison of Mac vs. Windows, in all fairness, it is true that the gap in hardware availability is becoming less and less of an issue as USB becomes more and more popular. It's also true that the Mac users have their PC emulation software, but that just seems kind of pathetic. If I want to run Windows software, I'd rather just buy a PC. On the low end, I can buy myself a very functional PC for under $500 (with a monitor.) How much Mac can you get for $500? On the high end, PCs offer processors running at 1 GHz, and there's two companies making those processors, battling for your business.
Hey, it's Bill's world and I enjoy hanging with the 90%.
mikeycorn
better the devil you know
I think the whole monopoly thing with microsoft is pretty crappy, but you have to admit that if MS had never got themseleves into such a strong market position, someone else would have.
think of all the companies that have fallen by the wayside. we could all be complaining about a company who behaves worse and releases worse products.
at least with MS we know what products we are getting, we know they expensive and that they will often be buggy, but what software isn't? (not mine that's for sure!)
we also know that the products will work as we want them to without too much messing around, and that ANYONE can learn how to use them.
microsoft strikes again . . .
Hey Gen-X,
Speaking of stuff not working, I wanted to check out your website, and in the bottom left corner it said it was detecting my browser, then I got this message:
The page you are looking for cannot be displayed because the address is incorrect.
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Please try the following:
If you typed the page address in the Address bar, check that it is entered correctly.
Open the gen-x.iweb.net.au home page and then look for links to the information you want.
Click Search to look for information on the Internet.
HTTP 405 - Resource not allowed
Internet Explorer
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(I've got IE 5.0 by the way.)
I do enjoy reading your posts but I've been around long enough to see how far computers have come since I was a 13 year-old punk in 1982. I think Microsoft and the PC monopoly have been a good thing for us all. Hell, if the hardware and software on PCs were as tightly integrated as they are on the Mac, you'd be out a job! You should be praising my man, Mr. Gates.
mikeycorn
