I find that sad more than anything else.Quote:
Originally posted by ghost ryder
i dont give a **** what you say or think coz all you are is a child
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I find that sad more than anything else.Quote:
Originally posted by ghost ryder
i dont give a **** what you say or think coz all you are is a child
Most of us here are my age (17), +/- a couple years.
MartinLiss
1. so if me or any other muslim gets offended by what someone else says, will they get banned?
2. if me or another muslim offends someone on this forum, will we get banned?
I don't see how there could be confusion in his posts...it is completely irrelevant that you are Muslim. What is relevant is that you assume that is the reason "everybody is against you."
Well dont know about asset :D , but Kovan had made many interesting post in this forum, like GR said i dont think its fair banning kovan as lot of people in this forum has said worse things.Quote:
Originally posted by aknisely
I really would like to see kovan stop being rude, rather than being banned, because he obviously is an asset to the rest of the forum.
BTW aknisely, i might be totally wrong (sorry if i am ), but i recall you said you are ok with Kovan calling you Jewish Boy in one thread.
akinsley - ENOUGH BOY, NO MORE ARGUING OK CHILD??
ian- quick, the story thread is dying!! why is no one posting in it??
It gets tiring when he says it to be crude, and not complimenting.Quote:
Originally posted by Danial
BTW aknisely, i might be totally wrong (sorry if i am ), but i recall you said you are ok with Kovan calling you Jewish Boy in one thread.
WHY is it ALWAYS a bloody muslim issue? You have some kid of huuuuuuuuuuge persecution complex. If any muslim has to put up with something they don't like it's always "help help we're being oppressed!"Quote:
Originally posted by kovan
MartinLiss
1. so if me or any other muslim gets offended by what someone else says, will they get banned?
2. if me or another muslim offends someone on this forum, will we get banned?
Take some responsibility for your own actions instead of trying to claim that what you get isn't a consequence of your own actions, it's because of your religion.
It's just annoying. It's like if some crackhead no-hoper dropout with no qualifications, who never showered, and just happened to be black applied for a job and got turned down, they might claim racial discrimination. Similarly, you are claiming religious discrimination when the problem is actually that you are acting like an arsehole. Several people are acting like arseholes, not just you.
Anyway I'm with Ian on this when he said we're getting a bit pissed off with all the bickering. This forum used to be good for actual intelligent debate. Now every controversial thread is full of arguments that are just completely pointless and boring, where everyone just gives a one- or two-line insult and waits for the response.
This site used to be great. Now it's just okay thanks to all this utter bollocks that's being produced.
yo harry
i agree these religious threads and controversy are a bit much now seeing as everyone starts bickering
but i want to state for the record, and everyone should be aware, i ONLY get involved when people insult islam, ok??
i dont start threads, i dont even bother with threads unless they attack islam, which the thread "the great writings of islam" did, blatantly. as for the persecution thingy, read that thread, watch the news, its not a ****ing complex, muslims are portrayed in a bad light, now there are intelligent people who make their own viewpoints and then there are saps who believe what they read and then decided that the whole area is exactly the same as one person (yes im talking about u patooey)
i feel if kovan is to be banned for doin whatever it is he does, then so should patooey coz he has made some dodgy comments in other threads (dunno which) and that thread is SO blatantly racist
but yeah, i like the fun threads much more, but if someone insults my religion i will not let it pass, if u had a religion u would understand
but all in all, id like 2 have some fun on these threads
POST IN THE STORY THREAD!!
I agree wholeheartedly! Ian get ur mackerel out. :eek:Quote:
Originally posted by HarryW
Anyway I'm with Ian on this when he said we're getting a bit pissed off with all the bickering. This forum used to be good for actual intelligent debate. Now every controversial thread is full of arguments that are just completely pointless and boring, where everyone just gives a one- or two-line insult and waits for the response.
This site used to be great. Now it's just okay thanks to all this utter bollocks that's being produced.
Patooey's views on Islam are no more representative of the views of the general populus than kovan's views are representative of the views of most Moslems.Quote:
as for the persecution thingy, read that thread, watch the news, its not a ****ing complex, muslims are portrayed in a bad light, now there are intelligent people who make their own viewpoints and then there are saps who believe what they read and then decided that the whole area is exactly the same as one person (yes im talking about u patooey)
(Had to check that sentence twice :rolleyes:.)
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I'm not exactly sure with the Mods' opinions of Patooey, but his situation isn't entirely the same as kovan's. Kovan has repeatedly been told to tone down his profanity. I don't really think that saying things that offend someone is grounds for remand, but when you've been told several times not to do something, it's probably best not to do it.
I agree with this, but it has to be done in a manner that is amiable to everyone. Calling me a "child" is not constructive, but inhibative, to having a fun discussion.Quote:
but all in all, id like 2 have some fun on these threads
kovan:1. Read my previous postQuote:
1. so if me or any other muslim gets offended by what someone else says, will they get banned?
2. if me or another muslim offends someone on this forum, will we get banned?
2. Read my previous post
ghost ryder:I can't speak for filburt, but I don't want him banned. As I've said previously several times, I don't take banning people lightly (I've only banned one user), but I will ban him or anyone else (including you) who doesn't know how to behave.Quote:
filburt and marty all want him banned
ok then, ban patooey, he has insulted a prophet of god and the founder of islam, it insulted me very much, im sure u didnt warn him either, look u r gonna do wat u want in the end, so this argument may be futile, but the fact that kovan has been calling akinsley jewish boy and bickering with him for a while, seems to pale next to the fact that patooey called the founder of islam, my religion, a paedophile, I DEMAND ACTIONQuote:
Originally posted by MartinLiss
I will ban him or anyone else (including you) who doesn't know how to behave.
oh and can u ban akinsley for saying "moslem" :rolleyes: lol
ghost ryder: As I said previously, nobody including you complained about that thread before. Since it has upset you I will remove the thread and send him a PM, but in the future please report offending posts.
All I can say is nobody OR everybody who posts threads against other's religions should be banned.
Quote:
Originally posted by HarryW
WHY is it ALWAYS a bloody muslim issue? You have some kid of huuuuuuuuuuge persecution complex. If any muslim has to put up with something they don't like it's always "help help we're being oppressed!"
Where is this coming from?
Couldnt agree more, yes it used be a great forum, thats one of the main reason i started to visit chit chat. There has been many great debate/discussion between you, guv, kovan, SD and few others, which i always read with great interests some of them on religion and also other topic.Quote:
Anyway I'm with Ian on this when he said we're getting a bit pissed off with all the bickering. This forum used to be good for actual intelligent debate. Now every controversial thread is full of arguments that are just completely pointless and boring, where everyone just gives a one- or two-line insult and waits for the response.
This site used to be great. Now it's just okay thanks to all this utter bollocks that's being produced.
But now a days the new trend is to post as much crap as you can and insult each other in every oppertunity. I have to say most of it is coming from certain new members. They turn every thread into a insulting game, and trying to prove who is better then the other.
all i am asking is that same rules to apply to EVERYONE else that apply to me
thats not a lot to ask for
IMHO this forum was excellent until Adam and Filburt started posting
:rolleyes:
I've been here since 1999...
yes but you were never "active" while we were having discussions
at least i dont remember so (in chit chat that is)
Dude! I was here even before you were!
yes according to your registration
i am talking about in the period when me, harryw, jethro, genx, guv, defarm
and few others were having discussions
I was more in General VB at the time, I hadn't discovered the wonderous heaven of Chit Chat. :)
yes
thats what i just said
From all the devout muslims whose opinions I get to hear, both here on the net and in real life.Quote:
Originally posted by Danial
Where is this coming from?
Yes those discussion are thing of the past !! And there was no moderator either, still ppl didnt whine and moan, never heard anyone asking to ban a member apart from that kid nukem.Quote:
Originally posted by kovan
yes according to your registration
i am talking about in the period when me, harryw, jethro, genx, guv, defarm
and few others were having discussions
i still have NO clue what you guys are talkinga bout as far as nukem
maybe it was during that time i decided that i need to apart from vb forums for a while
Yeah he turned up while you were off doing whatever for a while. Nukem was some little kid that had discovered that he could say whatever he liked on the net without getting his ass kicked. He started making death threats and threatening other kinds of violence. Nobody really took much notice of the threats, but he was just a nuisance and everybody found him annoying. He didn't contribute anything to the forums either. So he got banned, mainly for the death threats.
Harry. I'm coming to kill you.
:rolleyes:
Harry, i dont know what you are referring to, and dont really know how many devout muslim you know. If you are referring to the WTC attack, then i challange any muslim to justify the attack on those innocent people according to Islam.Quote:
Originally posted by HarryW
From all the devout muslims whose opinions I get to hear, both here on the net and in real life.
interesting...
Quote:
Originally posted by HarryW
Yeah Nukem was some little kid that had discovered that he could say whatever he liked on the net without getting his ass kicked. He started making death threats and threatening other kinds of violence. Nobody really took much notice of the threats, but he was just a nuisance and everybody found him annoying. He didn't contribute anything to the forums either. So he got banned, mainly for the death threats.
yeah i remember coz when i came on there was a thread called "music lyrics" and i posted the lyrics of a limp bizkit song (from their second album, not the nu one, its actually a rap song) and behemoth said i was nukem coz i was quoting limp bizkit (which apparantly he did as well) that pissed me off it did :mad: but then he apologised so it was all kool and the gang
btw, where is behemoth, i hardly see him on here anymore
I'm not referring to that. I'm referring to the general attitude and the way they see conflicts involving muslims all over the world.Quote:
Originally posted by Danial
Harry, i dont know what you are referring to, and dont really know how many devout muslim you know. If you are referring to the WTC attack, then i challange any muslim to justify the attack on those innocent people according to Islam.
They're nice enough people, but in my opinion they have a tendency to feel persecuted when they're not, they're just in conflict.
LEAVE IT!!Quote:
Originally posted by kovan
interesting...
we have already had this discussion, so NO MORE!!
right im off 2 bed, im tired and ****, plus the great england result was cancelled out coz barcelona LOST 2-1 to deportivo, ****
oh well, night all!! and lets hope when i get back on 2moro, akinsley will be saying "muslim" and patooey will be banned
:)
Keep dreaming :DQuote:
Originally posted by ghost ryder
LEAVE IT!!
we have already had this discussion, so NO MORE!!
right im off 2 bed, im tired and ****, plus the great england result was cancelled out coz barcelona LOST 2-1 to deportivo, ****
oh well, night all!! and lets hope when i get back on 2moro, akinsley will be saying "muslim" and patooey will be banned
:)
Kovan was the qute in regards to my postQuote:
interesting.......
to harryw's little description of who Nukem was
Quote:
Originally posted by HarryW
I'm not referring to that. I'm referring to the general attitude and the way they see conflicts involving muslims all over the world.
They're nice enough people, but in my opinion they have a tendency to feel persecuted when they're not, they're just in conflict.
Thats your opinion, but you cant deny the fact that muslim are being persecuted in many places around the world.
They are, but by facsist Islamic regimes who believe they know what's best for the Moslems they persecute.
So are you tryng to say muslim around the world are being persecuted only by facist Islamic regimes. Very intersting point of view.......
obviously he wont admit the palestinian case and how israel is percecuting them..
*cough* And you said that you had nothing against Jews. :rolleyes:
Not only, but mostly.Quote:
Originally posted by Danial
So are you tryng to say muslim around the world are being persecuted only by facist Islamic regimes. Very intersting point of view.......
i dont
Israel IS persecuting muslims
If you really want to argue this, kovan, we can do it in another thread. However, I propose three (3) stipulations:
If you are willing to do this in an acceptable fashion, then I'll forgive you for everything previous to today.
- That you refrain from being rude, racist, discurtious, or saying anything that you wouldn't say to your own mother;
- That you provide evidence where necessary, and you rely on the evidence furnished by others unless you have contradicting evidence; and lastly
- That you are willing to make concessions.
:rolleyes: :pQuote:
Originally posted by aknisely
then I'll forgive you
Kovan i dont think there is any point of arguing after what he said.Quote:
Moslems are not being persecuted in Israel. Terrorists are being killed. The difference between the Israeli forces and those of the Palestinians is that Israelis do not target civilians; we don't kill innocent people. If they want to join terrorist groups to learn how to bomb hospitals and daycare centers, then they deserve whatever **** comes to them. The same goes for people who pick up guns or stones.
1. Israel dont target civilians - are you sure ?
2. We dont kill innocent people - are you sure
3. The same goes for people who pick up guns or stones - So you you justify killing someone for picking up stones, and you think its the same crime as picking up guns.
So leave it, u will just get urself banned.
Adam
i dont think i need yoru forgiveness to be prevented from entering hell
so there for i dont need yoru forgiveness
Danial
good point
thats why i have no intention of starting it again......
I can deny it.Quote:
Originally posted by Danial
Thats your opinion, but you cant deny the fact that muslim are being persecuted in many places around the world.
However, I don't deny it. I think I probably could reasonably deny it.
The situation in the middle east with Israel and Palestine is seen by many muslims (and also by many non-muslims) as being a persecution of the palestinians. I often hear muslims shout about Israelis shooting Palestinian children. There are factions within the Palestinians, however, who think it is perfectly reasonable to suicide bomb Israeli civilians, including children. Neither side has the high moral ground if you ask me. They're both as bad, as stubborn and as foolish as each other.
I am sure there are muslim groups somewhere in the world that are being persecuted in some way, but what I take issue with is the assertion made by many muslims that they are being persecuted because they are muslim. That is not always the case.
Danial, am I right in assuming you are a muslim yourself? You are certainly giving off that vibe. If you are, then I already know that it's likely what I say about this will have absolutely no effect on you. It will probably go in one ear and out the other, and I'm not in a mood to talk to anyone who doesn't want to listen.
Danial,
1. The IDF treats people who are involved in terrorist activities as military targets. What could Israel possibly gain by killing innocent Palestinians?
2. Once you throw stones at people, you are no longer innocent. The IDF will defend the citizens of Israel from any attacker, even if it means having to tear gas a 14-year-old who thinks it's his duty to stone an elderly woman to death.
3. To these people, stones are just as deadly weapons as firearms; people have died from stones, and not just Israelis and Arabs. Foreign nationals have been attacked with stones because Palestinian militants make no distinction between targets -- Israeli or foreign, military or civilian -- because they want to ignore the fact that what they are doing is wrong.
Harry, i have to say i agree with most of the things you said. Yes its a fact that lots of Palestine children are getting killed. Also like you said some faction within the Plestine belive that killing innocent people by sucide bombing is justified, but as far as i am concerned Sucide Bombaing or killing any innocent people is against Islam. But you might wonder why they are doing it, are they being brainwashed or arey being forced into it after seeing their entire family getting killed, or is it out of desparation. Dont get me wrong i am not trying to justifying suicide bombing, you never can, all it does is kills innocent people and create more hatred.Quote:
Originally posted by HarryW
The situation in the middle east with Israel and Palestine is seen by many muslims (and also by many non-muslims) as being a persecution of the palestinians. I often hear muslims shout about Israelis shooting Palestinian children. There are factions within the Palestinians, however, who think it is perfectly reasonable to suicide bomb Israeli civilians, including children. Neither side has the high moral ground if you ask me. They're both as bad, as stubborn and as foolish as each other.
I am sure there are muslim groups somewhere in the world that are being persecuted in some way, but what I take issue with is the assertion made by many muslims that they are being persecuted because they are muslim. That is not always the case.
Danial, am I right in assuming you are a muslim yourself? You are certainly giving off that vibe. If you are, then I already know that it's likely what I say about this will have absolutely no effect on you. It will probably go in one ear and out the other, and I'm not in a mood to talk to anyone who doesn't want to listen.
BTW : you assumtion is correct, i am a Muslim
Stoning is NO WAY a terrorist act against Israel. And people who live on Palestinian properties should not assume themselves as civilians. If they want to live somwhere then go inside Israel - not on a captured properties!:rolleyes:
Stoning is still violence. Violence never solves anything and always gets innocents killed.
I really don't give a hoot whether or not Allah approves; suicide bombing is a horrible, horrible crime. It, like many other terrorist and violent acts, is condoned, encouraged, and performed by the PA and its associated factions. Israel can do nothing but try her best to put a stop to it.Quote:
but as far as i am concerned Sucide Bombaing or killing any innocent people is against Islam.
No, it's a violent act against people. Against humanity. It doesn't matter if it's against Israel or Palestine or Jamaica, it is assault; it is a crime. And it's both something that is a serious problem along the borders of PA-controlled territory, and something for which there must be punishment.Quote:
Stoning is NO WAY a terrorist act against Israel
But the cease-fire also does not work when Israeli tanks/troops enter the Palestinian area, kill innocent Palestinians, and demolish their houses saying that the terrorists were hidden there.
And firing, shelling, and demolishing houses (instead of stoning) is not a violence act against humanity?Quote:
Originally posted by aknisely
No, it's a violent act against people. Against humanity. It doesn't matter if it's against Israel or Palestine or Jamaica, it is assault; it is a crime. And it's both something that is a serious problem along the borders of PA-controlled territory, and something for which there must be punishment.
In terms of political geography, those areas are still Israel. They were merely granted to the Palestinian Authority by the the deceased Prime Minister Rabin in the Oslo Accords of 1992. As a result and consequence of the reluctance and refusal by the Palestinian Authority to abide by the Oslo Accords, to a point where they are being completely ignored by all Palestinians, the agreements are being considered void.
The two nations have been acting like little (violent) kids forever.
Here are some interesting facts:
- WW1 was sparked, escentally, by one person: a Serbian man that was barely 20 years old
- WW2 was made a world war by Germany
- Germany entered WW2 because Hitler was pissed by the Versailles treaty, which (suprise) came from WW1
- Tens of millions died in each war
If those houses are being used for militant activities, it most certainly isn't.Quote:
Originally posted by abdul
And firing, shelling, and demolishing houses (instead of stoning) is not a violence act against humanity?
Is that what you truley believe Filburt1, i remember you calling for afganistan to be nuked just a few week ago. !!!Quote:
Originally posted by filburt1
Stoning is still violence. Violence never solves anything and always gets innocents killed.