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Skitchen. You're beginning to sound like Abdul.Quote:
Originally posted by Skitchen8
yep, him and all his followers will die, and most likely everyone in afghanistand
Somebody should! Celine Dion *shudder* Bryan Adams *shudder* ;) :DQuote:
Originally posted by SurfDemon
Whats America going to do, bomb Canadians
if he was in canada
BELIEVE ME i would be the first to kill him
i would give "suicide bombing" a whole new meaning
William Shatner......Quote:
Originally posted by chrisjk
Somebody should! Celine Dion *shudder* Bryan Adams *shudder* ;) :D
some one should shoot that biatchQuote:
Originally posted by chrisjk
Somebody should! Celine Dion *shudder* Bryan Adams *shudder* ;) :D
:)
bryan adams is ok..
Folks, please rmember that due process and guilty beyond reasonable doubt applies only to ordinary citizens when accused by the government.
It does not apply to war situations. Reasonable suspicion is enough in war time.
BTW: When dealing with police, judges, public officials, they should be held to higher standards.
While I would not put a police person in jail without applying the reasonable doubt standard, I think he can be fired on mere suspicion. The same applies to judges and other government officials.
Another example where reasonable doubt standards do not apply: A bank teller suspected of embezzlement. He might escape a jail sentence on a technicality, but the bank should still be able to fire him, and no other bank need hire him.
i don't kare... this is serious shiit... if them towel headed mofo's think they can fucck with america they are wrongQuote:
Originally posted by SurfDemon
Skitchen. You're beginning to sound like Abdul.
Maybe you should care.
You are angry because somebody murders somebody else. Thats fair enough. In response you want to murder some completely seperate third party. That would make you a terrorist.
I realise you are hurting. But don't be fooled into thinking that that is an excuse for going out and murdering innocent people.
SD
and what excuse did these mother fucckers have for killing innocent people?? if they can do it to us we can do it back
KATHAD!!
You do not see the distinction between justice and vengeance. There is, and you must realize it before you hurt anyone.Quote:
and what excuse did these mother fucckers have for killing innocent people?? if they can do it to us we can do it back
So you are admitting that you would be no better than them if you started killing innocent people?Quote:
Originally posted by Skitchen8
and what excuse did these mother fucckers have for killing innocent people?? if they can do it to us we can do it back
KATHAD!!
And get that racist stuff of your signature, you are showing your country up. Luckily most people know that you do not represent the majority of Americans (I hope).
SD
Remember that America created the Taliban (that currently harbor Bin Ladin) during the cold war. They sponcered the Taliban when they were bombing the Russians which brought them the power in Afganistan. As terrible as Bin Ladin is (undoubtably) they don't know if he's responsible yet, the news has only said that he's a prime suspect. It'd be immoral to kill him for a crime he may not have commited.
The Afgans have said that if they have evidence then they'll extridite him (presumably to America), any other country would do the same thing. (including America).
I'm not sticking up for the Taliban, I compare them the the Nazis in their oppression of their own people. But I don't think charging into Afganistan with little evidence and slaughtering innocent Afgan people (when they also hate the Taliban and probably Bin Ladin too) in the pursuit of Bin Ladin is a great plan.
Someone needs to pay for this terrable crime, but it should first be considered and (when they find the culprit) then it should be harsh.
Any other tactic may result in the strengthening of terrorist activity.
True, but bin Laden is responsible for other acts of terrorism against America anyway.
No, i am not admitting that... we would still be the better and actually civilized peopleQuote:
Originally posted by SurfDemon
So you are admitting that you would be no better than them if you started killing innocent people?
And get that racist stuff of your signature, you are showing your country up. Luckily most people know that you do not represent the majority of Americans (I hope).
SD
as to the racist stuff im my signature... i don't kare, if you don't like it talk to john but i will not take it out unless i recieve a direct request from john. I don't represent the majority of americans?? there was a poll taken and 86% of people wanted us to take direct action, no matter whether it kills inocents or not
Majorative ignorance is ignorance nevertheless.
ignorance... i believe we are seeing things perfectly clear
90% wasn't it?Quote:
Originally posted by Skitchen8
there was a poll taken and 86% of people wanted us to take direct action, no matter whether it kills inocents or not
Like it or not, there are rules of war, and one of them is that you don't intentionally target civilians. No exceptions. His killing your civilians is not an excuse to kill his civilians.Quote:
ignorance... i believe we are seeing things perfectly clear
well, the one i saw said 86, maybe you saw a different one...
well they said 9 in 10, they probably just rounded it up. Fairly acedemic as it's very high whatever.
yes it is, obviously bin laden hasn't been following your rules of warQuote:
Originally posted by aknisely
Like it or not, there are rules of war, and one of them is that you don't intentionally target civilians. No exceptions. His killing your civilians is not an excuse to kill his civilians.
No he hasn't, and for that he will (regardless of "should") die for that. That does not give you the right to kill innocent people.Quote:
yes it is, obviously bin laden hasn't been following your rules of war
well, it don't matter either way to me, as long as someone pays for this
Why make innocent civilians (Moslems or not) pay for it? They do not associate with Osama Bin Laden or the Taliban or any other Islamic extremist group.
We might as well hang all Christians for those who stone 6-year-old girls walking to school in Ireland.
okay, then don't kill the inocent people, kill all the guilty people, and as to your second statement why not?? i don't care much if i live or not, so you can go ahead and hang me... just don't hang any hott gurlsQuote:
Originally posted by aknisely
Why make innocent civilians (Moslems or not) pay for it? They do not associate with Osama Bin Laden or the Taliban or any other Islamic extremist group.
We might as well hang all Christians for those who stone 6-year-old girls walking to school in Ireland.
I second that!Quote:
Originally posted by Skitchen8
just don't hang any hott gurls
Good, now you don't want to kill all Moslems. Your next step is to stop hating all Moslems.Quote:
okay, then don't kill the inocent people, kill all the guilty people
hm... i dunno if i can go that far
Ok fine, you win i don't hate all muslims, just the ones that are evil
Say whatever you want to me; what matters is what you actually believe.
Obviously we should look for justice, not vengeance. When I was young, revenge and 10 cents would buy a good cup of coffee. Now, revenge and $1.00 buys a good cup of coffee, making it even less valuable.
While it is never right to deliberately kill civilians, it might not always be possible to avoid it. If the US fired rockets at a terrorist stronghold and killed some innocent bystanders, I would feel bad about it, but would not second guess them and say the attack was unwarranted. When you get involved in a war, some s**t happens.
In some countries, I do not consider the civilians so innocent. Palestinians are not the only ones gloating over what happened. In any country with that attitude, it would not bother me at all if a lot of civilians were wasted as a side effect of going after the terrorists.
As mentioned in a previous post, I do not think the standard here should be guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. That standard is applicable to ordinary citizens accused by the government.
BTW: The US, Britain,. France, et cetera do not have really clean hands. During WW2, we fire bombed some German cities, which resulted in massive civilian casualties. I think more were killed that way than via A-Bombs, but I am not sure. Since we were the victors, the issue was never addressed at Nuremberg.
what channel is bush on now?
The issue was addressed, it was a defense made primarily by Keitel and Goering; you did the same things we did and you aren't being held accountable, therefore we're off the hook. It obviously wasn't a mitigating defense (since both were sentenced to death).Quote:
Since we were the victors, the issue was never addressed at Nuremberg.
The TMGWCBIMT wasn't trying the allies; the German government was free to indict and try the governments of the other nations, I guess, but they didn't because there was no German government at that point.