Why would you use VB?

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possibly more than you "professional" programmers.

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I don't mean this in a derogatory way, but I doubt it.

Pascal has its uses, and it's certainly a good place to learn procedural programming techniques. I don't actually like the syntax personally, but some do. I'd rather look at heiroglyphic-like languages such as C and C++. Turbo Pascal was used quite extensively before Windows reared its ugly head, and was favoured by many for writing games in due to its speed and efficiency. Many still choose Delphi over C++ for games writing.

I don't really use VB any more except for when I want to help someone out or I just want to test out some quick algorithm. I started using it because that's what I was taught.

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Originally posted by filburt1


Excuse me? I might be in high school and have no real professional training, but I have customers for each of my two shareware programs.

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I agree. I'd put him up against any of you pros. (well except a few:D ).

yeah, i bet he has ANSWERED questions for just about every one of you......

Albeit incorrectly. :D :D

My school teaches vb,C++, and html(well thats not really a language ;) ) but no one else's school teaches C++? :confused:

html is definitely a language!

Hypertext Markup Language... hmm I think that's a language :rolleyes:

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Originally posted by ¤¿¤
My school teaches vb,C++, and html(well thats not really a language ;) ) but no one else's school teaches C++? :confused:

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Mine does, but only two years of it. And HTML is a language, but not a programming language.

my school does too

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Originally posted by filburt1


Mine does, but only two years of it. And HTML is a language, but not a programming language.

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HTML is a programming language, because it consists of instructions

some of you people are pissing me off!

i see you here everyday, posting/answering questions, trying to bump you freaking post count by any chance, and when you're asked 'why you use VB' you starting act like you're freaking geniuses - 'i hate VB, VB is for kids, fock VB, etc...'

what the f_uck is that?

i use VB everyday, and that's how i make my living... i love that language, i'm saying it's the best - but i have tried other ones and VB fits my needs completely.

and for those of you that think that VB is stoopid, kid's language - get your stinky arses out of this forum, you bunch of loosers.
You either probably read the book 'Teach yourself VB in 24 hours' and you think you know VB?

VB is a very powerful language, and i'm not talking about the graphics and s*hit, i'm talking about professional applications development like COM, COM+ and stuff like that.

you can build a DLL in a few minutes, try doing COM in C++ you'll have to spend twice as much time, because you have to do everything manually...
most of you kids aren't probably old enough to understand the real power of VB...

Feel better now? :)

i agree w/ schizo in everything but the end, kids can realize the potential and the uses of programming languages. There are tons of people on these forums that are under 18, that are very intelligent. I know a lot of VB and a little C (and i know html), and most people i know consider me very smart with computers and computer programming. I don't think that the under 18 people here should get made fun of and called script kiddies and sh*t because some of us can program then a lot of you. I understand that we are not "professionals" (unless you use the real definition which means getting paid for the thing u do... then a lot of us are) does not mean that we are not good. I would love to be considered a professional, but i have been turned down time after time by companies when i asked for training and a job, and by local colleges when i have asked if i could get into a course so i could learn more. I have tried to get Microsoft and A+ certified, but again was turned down because of my age. My dad will soon be studying to become microsoft certified, and hes doing some research now to find out about what he will need to know. I know that he asks me questions often because he knows that i know a lot about computers (though a lot of my knowledge is from him). Same with my school teachers, my teachers ask me to make programs for them to attempt to teach some people in classes, and also rely on me to fix computers (our "IT" staff is not too good). I have been told by one of the people that run one of the computer labs that i am good enough to get her job. I have worked hard to gain trust from my school and local businesses, which is hard to do once again because of my age. I will not be called a script kiddie or anything like that because you can't stand the fact that some "kids" are as good or better than you at something you do to make a living.

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Originally posted by kedaman

HTML is a programming language, because it consists of instructions

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http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=programming+language&r=67
An artificial language used to write instructions that can be translated into machine language and then executed by a computer.

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Originally posted by Skitchen8
i agree w/ schizo in everything but the end, kids can realize the potential and the uses of programming languages. There are tons of people on these forums that are under 18, that are very intelligent. I know a lot of VB and a little C (and i know html), and most people i know consider me very smart with computers and computer programming. I don't think that the under 18 people here should get made fun of and called script kiddies and sh*t because some of us can program then a lot of you. I understand that we are not "professionals" (unless you use the real definition which means getting paid for the thing u do... then a lot of us are) does not mean that we are not good. I would love to be considered a professional, but i have been turned down time after time by companies when i asked for training and a job, and by local colleges when i have asked if i could get into a course so i could learn more. I have tried to get Microsoft and A+ certified, but again was turned down because of my age. My dad will soon be studying to become microsoft certified, and hes doing some research now to find out about what he will need to know. I know that he asks me questions often because he knows that i know a lot about computers (though a lot of my knowledge is from him). Same with my school teachers, my teachers ask me to make programs for them to attempt to teach some people in classes, and also rely on me to fix computers (our "IT" staff is not too good). I have been told by one of the people that run one of the computer labs that i am good enough to get her job. I have worked hard to gain trust from my school and local businesses, which is hard to do once again because of my age. I will not be called a script kiddie or anything like that because you can't stand the fact that some "kids" are as good or better than you at something you do to make a living.

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It is irritating that "kids" (I'm almost 17, so I'm starting to dislike that name :D) are considered crappy programmers. I got a commendation letter from my last boss cc'ed to me, and I was (almost) 16 at the time. I can understand that there is a disrespect for really young programmers who just copy and paste, but when you create and distribute useful productive programs, that makes you feel good.

I have gotten more than one e-mail from a Tiny Clock user just thanking me for the program. That makes me feel awesome! (http://www.liquid2k.com/filburt1/tinyclock/awards.html) My favorite one: ""I wanted to thank you for placing your Tiny Clock on Go.com. I used Windows 3.1 for five years with a clock with seconds, and now that I have Windows 98, I missed the seconds. Thank you for Tiny Clock!"—Jean Vanadeer"

I was 15 when I wrote Tiny Clock.

Children, children, children. You need to watch your language and your pronouncements.

1. For all those unaware of recent history (the past 30 years worth anyway) Pascal was originally written as a language to teach structured programming. The fact that it was useful in some actual working (read: profitable) enterprises was not anticipated.

2. Basic encouraged spaghetti code in much the same manner that FORTRAN, COBOL, and Assembler encouraged the same style. It was taught in the same manner (once again, a lifetime ago). To say that Basic is to blame for the coding sins of your fathers is to blame the victim. I've been using Basic (in various incarnations) since the late '70s and I DO NOT write spagetti code. Even BEFORE basic had callable subroutines.

3. C (the antecedant of A and B, the predecessor of C+ and C++) was designed to do systems level work on the machine itself that the older languages couldn't do because of limitations in accessing the operating system(s). Thus, the lack of overt support for I/O. That was supposed to be implemented by the HighPriests of the whatever machine/OS you were using. It was NOT meant to take the place of FORTRAN, COBOL or Basic, it was meant to take the place of Assembler in systems level work.

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Originally posted by filburt1

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ah screw the dictionary! :p actually I disagree with it, every language that consists of a set of intructions is a programming language, literarily, independent from compiler, the ability to compile, execution and ability to execute. Say for instance the turing machine is a theoretical programming language

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1. For all those unaware of recent history (the past 30 years worth anyway) Pascal was originally written as a language to teach structured programming. The fact that it was useful in some actual working (read: profitable) enterprises was not anticipated.

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So why not teach a language that other people would actually use, like C++ or Java?

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2. Basic encouraged spaghetti code in much the same manner that FORTRAN, COBOL, and Assembler encouraged the same style. It was taught in the same manner (once again, a lifetime ago). To say that Basic is to blame for the coding sins of your fathers is to blame the victim. I've been using Basic (in various incarnations) since the late '70s and I DO NOT write spagetti code. Even BEFORE basic had callable subroutines.

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My code never violates my Pet Peeves (search the board), and arguably, my pet peeves state good programming practices.

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3. C (the antecedant of A and B, the predecessor of C+ and C++) was designed to do systems level work on the machine itself that the older languages couldn't do because of limitations in accessing the operating system(s). Thus, the lack of overt support for I/O. That was supposed to be implemented by the HighPriests of the whatever machine/OS you were using. It was NOT meant to take the place of FORTRAN, COBOL or Basic, it was meant to take the place of Assembler in systems level work.

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It did that and so much more. Nearly every major Windows application is now written in C++

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Originally posted by kedaman

ah screw the dictionary! :p actually I disagree with it, every language that consists of a set of intructions is a programming language, literarily, independent from compiler, the ability to compile, execution and ability to execute. Say for instance the turing machine is a theoretical programming language

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Actually, to be completely technical, QBasic would not be considered a programming language by Dictionary.com; rather, a scripting language. The biggie is that programming languages are compiled while scripting languages are interpreted.

Noone couldn't say QBasic can't be compiled

The very last version of QBasic could be compiled to an EXE.

Yeah thats well good you like to contradict yourself twice in one thread :D Anyways my point is that any language that consists of instructions can teoretically be compiled. Therefore the latter part is superfluous

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Originally posted by filburt1
Actually, to be completely technical, QBasic would not be considered a programming language by Dictionary.com; rather, a scripting language. The biggie is that programming languages are compiled while scripting languages are interpreted.

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The first versions of QBasic (until version 4.5) did not have a compiler and had to run through its IDE.

actually there was (and still is) freeware available to compile it into machine code. If you go to www.qbasic.com under the downloads section i think there is one.