Sorry, you guys must get pretty tired of that.Quote:
Originally posted by kovan
again, Islam gets blamed for a fool
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Sorry, you guys must get pretty tired of that.Quote:
Originally posted by kovan
again, Islam gets blamed for a fool
NOTHING. That's the whole damned point!! We remove people who abuse their responsibility and power. What more do you want??Quote:
Originally posted by kovan
what did you get out of yugoslavia?
you removed a dictator, a threat to US
what more do you want?
of course its realityQuote:
Originally posted by barrk
The oil in that region is now, was then and will always be controlled by OPEC. How do you figure we "got LOTS"???
The US and British have alliance with the countries over there we are defending. We made the alliances due to the oil (which is power). The industrial nations need oil in order to thrive. That is a fact that cannot be overlooked. Would you want us to not live up to our alliances and therefore cut ourselves off from the oil?
Any country makes alliances that in their own best interests regardless of what you think. It is not an evil thing...it is reality!
but for one second if anyone says US cares about anyone else other than their own interest, that is a load of BS
how do i figure you have LOTS?
i have seen the massive pipes in North Iraq
which i assume are not CLOSE to what "you" are getting down in Kuwait
Even though saddam has killed thousands of my own people
i still think it is the only one who will remove the state of Israel
and send them to hell, right into the Med Sea
cheers for that
because i know what he is capable of
so might as well if you assosiate him to islam,
i might as well cheer him on
*chuckle*Quote:
so it can destroy it, and israel is NO match for saddam without US
Whether or not anyone believes what his motives are is completely irrelevant. His actions are far more important than his thoughts.Quote:
but to say this is "jihad" related
is absolutely wrong, because no one believes his "jihad" motives due to what he has done to muslims
Now you're living in ignorance. Israel could have single handedly wiped out Iraq and they wouldn't have needed any military assistance from NATO.Quote:
but saddam wants israel OUT, first it has to get it into the war
so it can destroy it, and israel is NO match for saddam without US
OK, I know that America donates larges sums of money to the Israeli defence budget but still, Israel in it's present state would walk over Iraq.
Well I'm glad that other countries in the region don't believe his motives. I didn't say that it was a "true" jihad, rather he was trying to cause one.Quote:
but to say this is "jihad" related
is absolutely wrong, because no one believes his "jihad" motives due to what he has done to muslims
Another pointless discussion. Abdul and Kovan...notice how you two are pretty much alone in your beleifs. Im sure you think we are all idiots. Well keep thinking that if it makes you feel better:rolleyes: .Katie's point is very valid. The oil in Kuwait is controlled by OPEC. The US and the other allies ahve no jurisdiction over the volume of oil produced (aside from political pressure it can creat). Of course they want oil! Oil = Power!! BTW do you care to tell me why Milosevic and Yugoslavia were such a threat to the US?
If Iraq didnt think they could flatten "Israel"
why would they keep poking it?
You are wrong on both accounts. We do care about other than our own interests. But we aren't going to stand idly by and not defend our interests either!Quote:
Originally posted by kovan
of course its reality
but for one second if anyone says US cares about anyone else other than their own interest, that is a load of BS
how do i figure you have LOTS?
i have seen the massive pipes in North Iraq
which i assume are not CLOSE to what "you" are getting down in Kuwait
We do not get oil from Kuwait....it is controlled by OPEC. Didn't I already say that?????
you dont get oil ?
i wonder were all those pipes go
You have serious problem, I suggest you talk to a psychiatrist.Quote:
Originally posted by kovan
Even though saddam has killed thousands of my own people
i still think it is the only one who will remove the state of Israel
and send them to hell, right into the Med Sea
cheers for that
because i know what he is capable of
so might as well if you assosiate him to islam,
i might as well cheer him on
REally? You think NATO is going to sit around and watch? They'll do what they did in the Gulf War. Walk all over Iraq. Also, i doubt Isreal will need any help from NATO anyways.Quote:
Originally posted by kovan
Even though saddam has killed thousands of my own people
i still think it is the only one who will remove the state of Israel
and send them to hell, right into the Med Sea
cheers for that
because i know what he is capable of
so might as well if you assosiate him to islam,
i might as well cheer him on
We do get oil.....but it is controlled by OPEC.....NOT Kuwait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
obvious NATO wont sit around and watch
what has the Sanction done to SADDAM and his army?
NOTHING
what has sanction done to the poor? everything
so no matter what NATO does to iraq, it will have LITTLE effect on what saddam is all about
As was stated above in this thread, he's poking at Isreal because he wants to start a war!! If Isreal retaliates full force than other Muslim nations might see that as an attack on their faith, and it may start the third world war. That is what he wanted.Quote:
Originally posted by kovan
If Iraq didnt think they could flatten "Israel"
why would they keep poking it?
Also, tell me this Kovan? If Saddam could flatten Isreal...why is he just poking then?
how ever its controlledQuote:
Originally posted by barrk
We do get oil.....but it is controlled by OPEC.....NOT Kuwait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you get LARGE amounts of it
and tomorrow, if iraq was to offer "you" more than what they get
you would join sides with iraq, like you did in the Iran/Iraq war
Bring it on. Iraqi forces wouldn't last six months against the IDF.Quote:
Originally posted by kovan
but saddam wants israel OUT, first it has to get it into the war
so it can destroy it, and israel is NO match for saddam without US
Doesnt the stupidity of this discussion make you want to cry? :rolleyes: *Signing off for now*
hmm i dont think you undrestand what i saidQuote:
Originally posted by nishantp
As was stated above in this thread, he's poking at Isreal because he wants to start a war!! If Isreal retaliates full force than other Muslim nations might see that as an attack on their faith, and it may start the third world war. That is what he wanted.
Also, tell me this Kovan? If Saddam could flatten Isreal...why is he just poking then?
Saddam CAN flatten Israel, but they can just flatten it because he will be flattened before he flattens one town
IF israel had no help, he WOULD flatten it
but obviously he cant with NATO in place
Saddam has made many BIG mistakes, so his motives for "holy" war are gone down the drain
he kills for no reason, its his hobby
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"Saddam has made many BIG mistakes, so his motives for "holy" war are gone down the drain
he kills for no reason, its his hobby"
Interesting how you choose to support him and all inspite of the fact that you admit he's a cold blooded murderer.:rolleyes:Quote:
"because i know what he is capable of
so might as well if you assosiate him to islam,
i might as well cheer him on"
i DO NOT support him
i said i might AS well if everything he does is said to be according to Islam, and for Islam
The more you contratict yourself, the more foolish you look.Quote:
Originally posted by kovan
i DO NOT support him
i said i might AS well if everything he does is said to be according to Islam, and for Islam
akinsley how is that contridicting myself?
i said i do not support him, but i should be supporting him if every idiot like you think he is doing this according to Islam
last time i checked that was not a contridiction
Hmm so lemme get this straight. What your saying is that you might as well support him cause he does all his crap in the name of Islam. Right....ok...so if i said i could smuggle a nuke into jeruselem and set it off, killing millions of innocent people...in the name of Islam...you would support me?? How heartwarming.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by kovan
i DO NOT support him
i said i might AS well if everything he does is said to be according to Islam, and for Islam
Nevermind :oQuote:
Originally posted by kovan
akinsley how is that contridicting myself?
i said i do not support him, but i should be supporting him if every idiot like you think he is doing this according to Islam
last time i checked that was not a contridiction
Kovan....please try to actually listen to my responses.Quote:
Originally posted by kovan
how ever its controlled
you get LARGE amounts of it
and tomorrow, if iraq was to offer "you" more than what they get
you would join sides with iraq, like you did in the Iran/Iraq war
When Iran was invading Iraq and indiscriminately killing people, we helped the country that was being invaded. When Iraq began invading Kuwait and indiscriminately killing Kurdish and Israelian people, we helped.
If all we were interested in was the oil we would have stood by Iraq. The very fact that we didn't speaks to the fact that we are NOT just interested in the oil. Isn't that proof enough that your statement above is pure, unadulterated BS?????
Its pretty darn stupid either way...Quote:
Originally posted by kovan
akinsley how is that contridicting myself?
i said i do not support him, but i should be supporting him if every idiot like you think he is doing this according to Islam
last time i checked that was not a contridiction
Sadaam says he is acting in the name of Islam. Osamin Ben Ladin says he is acting in the name of Islam. What are we supposed to think? How are the rest of us supposed to know whether they are or aren't? They have an awful lot of people following them who also say they are acting in the name of Islam. Are we supposed to believe them or you, kovan?
All good and saidQuote:
When Iran was invading Iraq and indiscriminately killing people, we helped the country that was being invaded. When Iraq began invading Kuwait and indiscriminately killing Kurdish and Israelian people, we helped.
but but...
where was US from 1975 and on
when invaded the Kurdish land in the north and as you say "indiscriminately" killing kurds..
right, because back then they had no control of the oil
in 1992 they did have some control of the oil
and you saw ho quick US jumped in
get it through your head,
its all about how much oil you can offer
and the iraq/iran war was not about killing of iraqies
it was about US vs IRAN
US didnt directly want to be in war with Iran,
so they found a puppet, saddam
to be their war geek againts iran
you might wanna check your history before you present it
who exactly is following saddam? other than the Baath Party in iraq?Quote:
Originally posted by barrk
Sadaam says he is acting in the name of Islam. Osamin Ben Ladin says he is acting in the name of Islam. What are we supposed to think? How are the rest of us supposed to know whether they are or aren't? They have an awful lot of people following them who also say they are acting in the name of Islam. Are we supposed to believe them or you, kovan?
acting is just about the right wordQuote:
Sadaam says he is acting in the name of Islam.
because the rest of the muslim world sees it is acting
IF GIVEN THE CHANCE
saddam would start to wipe the world out, and he would start with "muslim"
well he already had, but he was stopped
In 1975 the UN was pretty much innoperable because of the high of the Cold War. Since both the US and the USSR were on the permanent security council, their co-operation was required for any resolution to pass through. As a result, most military actions conducted since the UN's inception to 1992 were independent from the UN itself.Quote:
Originally posted by kovan
where was US from 1975 and on
when invaded the Kurdish land in the north and as you say "indiscriminately" killing kurds..
In 1992 the Cold War had ended.Quote:
right, because back then they had no control of the oil
in 1992 they did have some control of the oil
and you saw ho quick US jumped in
How much oil did the Albanians of Kosovo offer?Quote:
get it through your head,
its all about how much oil you can offer
Tone down your hostility. You've already lost at least one friend in this discussion.Quote:
you might wanna check your history before you present it
friends?
which one is that?
i dont need "friends" to have a discussion
Then what is OPEC katie?Quote:
The oil in that region is now, was then and will always be controlled by OPEC. How do you figure we "got LOTS"???
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I believe that it was Iraq's fault when it attacked on Iran,kurds, and Kwait but in my opinion(I may be a little wrong):
Iran, Kwait has all the people shias in it (which is an other group of muslims other then sunis (which Iraq is)) so Iraq may have attacked when it thought that they were sunis and the other were shias. That was a stupid mistake but in Pakistan, there is fighting between shia and suni groups even if both are muslims.
Isreal is nothing better than Iraq if it does not have US money and NATO support. US is giving money every year to attack on poor Palestinians who don't have much power. When they through stones, Bush blames on them that they are terrorist, and when IDF bombs on them and attacks with F-16 and rocket, you say that they are paying back. So, the biggest threat in that area is Isreal and US which has also put its forces in Saudi Arabia (how weak is Arabia?)
There is nobody else that sadam who can have war with any western country and Isreal. Everybody else thinks that you will get peace by just political talk which I have 100% sure that you won't get from any of the westerns or Isreal unless you give them the power of your country or put their forces in
Saddam have done mistakes but if there would be somebody else like saddam but had not attacked any muslim country then I would take him in the place of saddam (but there is none yet)
Saddam had not done any Jihad before but if he will have war with Isreal then I will call it Jihad.
Everbody who thinks that US is doing right is stupid.
-US threw the atomic bomb on Japan and it also says to everybody else that don't make an neuclear bomb
-US is now working on missile defence system which is the most dangerous one in this world. (who is the threat now?)
...I have to do a little work and I will be comming back....
It's too bad we cant't try to teach their children sensible things, because that's a human rights violation.Quote:
Originally posted by nishantp
Dont bother Katie:rolleyes: That load of crap is engraved into his head. I only hope that the next generations will have some more sense in them.
You and i both know that Chetien doesnt care what you or i think about him:rolleyes: as long as hees in power with his fat 140 K salary i dont think he gives a S***.Quote:
Originally posted by aknisely
It's absolutely sick, I'm leaving at my earliest convenience. I might even write a letter to the Parliament of Canada to let them know why I'm leaving.
Uhm... this sounds like a great thread, but I don't feel like reading 80+ posts. I just have a couple of questions...
Judiahism is older than Islam, right? The Jews claim the land of Dan, the land of Isreal and the city of Jereshalom (which I can't seem to spell right now) as holy.
I guess they get first dibs, I don't know what the rules are on fight for religious meccas (pun intended).
Let me see, the UN gave Palestine (which was owned by the UK) to the Jews, right?
I have the truth into my head - no crap or sh*t. Read my previous postQuote:
Originally posted by nishantp
Dont bother Katie:rolleyes: That load of crap is engraved into his head. I only hope that the next generations will have some more sense in them.
Actually, I think it was a 140k raise. And I'm not addressing it to the Prime Minister's office; rather, the Parliament of Canada.Quote:
Originally posted by nishantp
You and i both know that Chetien doesnt care what you or i think about him:rolleyes: as long as hees in power with his fat 140 K salary i dont think he gives a S***.
What balisitic missles??:confused:Quote:
Originally posted by abdul
those blastic missiles (sorry if I can't name it correctly)
Is he talking about the Patriot missile defense system?Quote:
Originally posted by barrk
What balisitic missles??:confused: