How Many Professional Programers?

Speaking of old stuff being out of date and pointless....

Do any of you guys/gals know how many questions are posted here by programmers who do know objects and quite a bit about the OS and primitives (api's), but seemingly don't know programming? Or at least, failed Algorithms 101.

There's an infinite amount I don't know, myself. But it sure doesn't say much when I see questions like 'How do I', and see 10 answers- wonderfully complex answers - all of 'em in 50-80 lines of code, making use of Collections. Interesting and kinda sad, because the answer to 'How do I' was a done deal in 5 lines of code in 1968 - Knuth's 'Art of Programming'.

My answers aren't any necessarily any better because I misunderstand what people want half the time. Disconnect thing, I guess.

Just, please, none of you guys with 'old stuff attitude' write any of the code that runs my pacemaker when I finally have a heart attack. I just don't wanna have to lug around a dual Pentium VI with 512 MB in order to run it. Bloatware ^ 2.

If you are an 'old stuff' detractor -- Do yourself a favor, and sit down with Knuth for fifteen minutes. And then realize that there is nothing new under the Sun, Horatio.

FWIW, Knuth invented metafont --.ttf nowadays. There just was no output device that could deal with it. Heck, I saw some of MandelBrot's early work at IBM, and he was complaining to us about spending all his time on I/O quality, which was in fact really ****ty. That was about ten years after Knuth's ideas.

Well, ince everyones laughing about the old languages, I had to post the link to my fav joke : http://www.oraclehumor.com/Humor/Program.html :D

Anyway, not really professional yet, but I'm in my first month at Bax Global (www.baxglobal.com) as a trainee programmer - HTML, VB6, Interdev (and soon to be Java & Javascript - aaarrgghhh :eek: )

wow..this is quite the thread...

Full circle.. Job desciption...to puppy eating..to language...to insults...back to jobs!

I am now finally employed for programming! Yay!
VB, PL/SQL(learning), UNIX (learning), Access

good joke on that oraclehumor....

A female computer consultant was helping a smug male set up his computer and she asked him what word he would like to use as a password to log in with.

Wanting to embarass the female he told her to enter "*****".

Without blinking or saying a word she entered the password. She almost died laughing at the computer's response :

PASSWORD REJECTED. NOT LONG ENOUGH.

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Originally posted by alex_read
Well, ince everyones laughing about the old languages, I had to post the link to my fav joke : http://www.oraclehumor.com/Humor/Program.html :D

Anyway, not really professional yet, but I'm in my first month at Bax Global (www.baxglobal.com) as a trainee programmer - HTML, VB6, Interdev (and soon to be Java & Javascript - aaarrgghhh :eek: )

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Java's Easy if you can get to grips with C. Is it Java or Java 2?

Well considering I've just had to learn & deal with SQL Server, Interdev & Sourcesafe & find out how to work those, I'm dreading Java at the moment. :rolleyes:

It looks as though I'll be writing in J++ 6, so not strictly Java, but the books I've got deal with Java 1.2 (should have started easy I guess with Java 1) :D

I've had programming jobs in the past, writing VB, ASP & JavaScript, but I'm a student right now. Industrial placement next year though, so I'll be working full time, mainly coding in Python and probably a load of other stuff, whatever's new at the time. It's that kind of company. All in all I've had about 3 months industrial experience in programming so far.

I have been programming in one form or another since 1981. I find today that if I have to write another line of code for a bunch of ungrateful, know-nothing users who are more concerned with whether an application is blue or silver or the font is bold or plain I will commit suicide and take all of them with me if possible.

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Originally posted by barrk
if I have to write another line of code for a bunch of ungrateful, know-nothing users who are more concerned with whether an application is blue or silver or the font is bold or plain I will commit suicide and take all of them with me if possible.

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I prefered it when it was green myself. Oh and lose the bold, it looks soooo tacky.

he he ;)

Katie: Kick him for me, Dennis!

Dennis: *kick*

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Originally posted by barrk
I have been programming in one form or another since 1981. I find today that if I have to write another line of code for a bunch of ungrateful, know-nothing users who are more concerned with whether an application is blue or silver or the font is bold or plain I will commit suicide and take all of them with me if possible.

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I agree. Actually, this is kinda why i started the thread. Sometimes someone asks, "I want to create a payroll program, how should I do it?" or when I make a suggestion for someone having connection problems with ADO they reply, "DSN?? whats that?" or "I don't think I'm using an RDBMS." I'm glad to help, but sometimes it does get a little rediculous. Maybe John can designate a forum for "professional" programmers only. And we would have to supply valid company information in order to post in it. Not that I'm being snobby, and I would still visit the original forum, and I in fact was once one of those "dummies". However, sometimes when I have a deadline with a project, it could be alot easier to find help without "useless" ameteur input.

Actually....I would rather help someone out in here than write code for my users as they at least thank you occaissionally and don't have any control over my life what-so-ever.

Although what about the people who still have deadlines, but aren't actually professionals? I read through about 6 months worth of the Database forum to do my project, just to find some useful info.

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Originally posted by barrk
Actually....I would rather help someone out in here than write code for my users as they at least thank you occaissionally and don't have any control over my life what-so-ever.

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No no...you will do as I say ;)

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Originally posted by barrk
Katie: Kick him for me, Dennis!
Dennis: *kick*

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*smooch* Does it feel all better now?:rolleyes:

It won't matter 'cause I'll kick him again *kick* MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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