heh tazmania all for little ole me ;) hehhehehehehehehehehehehehe
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heh tazmania all for little ole me ;) hehhehehehehehehehehehehehe
Or.... If that doesn't interest you... you can have Kangaroo Island! ;)
So are you in Australia or not...?!? :o
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Originally posted by Jeff_1
heh tazmania all for little ole me ;) hehhehehehehehehehehehehehe
i am american...but i have been called other choice name b4 that i care not to get into hehheh.
Kangaroo island??
Yep. Kangaroo Island "Australia's best kept secret"
http://www.kangaroo-island-au.com
It's got its own web site! ;) Not often you see a little island with it's own website these days :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Jeff_1
i am american...but i have been called other choice name b4 that i care not to get into hehheh.
Kangaroo island??
Help for what? What has Australia done to get on the front page?Quote:
Because i have never seen Australia on the cover of a Brit paper! or make major news or send us help or anything!
What is it that Australia expects from Britain? Do they expect something in return for keeping the queen as head of state? It's neither here nor there for Britain whether Australia keeps the queen or not. It's not as if Australia contributes towards the upkeep of the royal family is it?
At the end of the day though, if Australia does not think they'll benefit from remaining in the commonwealth (and I don't know if they do or not) then leave.
:p
I have a flag suggestion for you Australians, and I doubt whether they will appreciate it very much...
How about the Japanese flag?
At least that's the flag they might have had now if Britain had surrendered it's far eastern empire to Japan during WWII. :mad:
Excellent expression mate! I'll use that tonight when I'm refering to my brother in the pub!Quote:
Originally posted by Jethro
As camp as a row of tents mate
As for Beacons idea of naked women on the flag - it gets my vote!! That would just be the coolest.
SD
I'll have to hop on over to it:)Quote:
Originally posted by cyberwarpy
Yep. Kangaroo Island "Australia's best kept secret"
http://www.kangaroo-island-au.com
It's got its own web site! ;) Not often you see a little island with it's own website these days :rolleyes:
(I bet you that joke gets cracked all the time over there)
SD
You ever been on kangaroo island before cyberwarpy? ( or anyone else )
Yeap, its awesome. You can either get rooms in this really old hotel or hire a cabin in this kinda small resort place on the beach. You just would not believe the quality of the food these guys produce.Quote:
Originally posted by Jeff_1
You ever been on kangaroo island before cyberwarpy? ( or anyone else )
Simon
Quick history leason dude, the Yanks pulled our fat out of the fire in WWII, the aussies were being pushed slowly backward in PNG at the time, when the seppos arrived on the scene.
Yeap and you guys sure did do a wonderful job in Singapore. What a pack of gooses, guns pointed out to sea. Don't worry we only lost a few hundred troops at the time, and the kiwis managed to extract some of theirs.
Actually the Rising Sun would be fitting in Queensland as the Japanese own most of that state.
Well one of these days when i make my millions... i will make a stop at kangaroo island... sounds interesting too say the least. :)
Yep, I will be your financial officer (with a big commission) :)Quote:
Originally posted by Jeff_1
Well one of these days when i make my millions... i will make a stop at kangaroo island... sounds interesting too say the least. :)
Vote for something interesting about India here at:
http://forums.vb-world.net/showthrea...threadid=72404
cyberwarpy:
He must be he's right behind you.;)Quote:
So are you in Australia or not...?!?
Simonm:
[QUOTE]I have a flag suggestion for you Australians, and I doubt whether they will appreciate it very much...
How about the Japanese flag?
At least that's the flag they might have had now if Britain had surrendered it's far eastern empire to Japan during WWII./QUOTE]
I backing jethro on this one! You brits did nothing or very little to help us. While we risked several thousands of men for you!
Luckily the USA saw interest/pity in us and came and saved us!
Thankyou USA!!:D
So much for the protection of our motherland!
Looks like you needed us more than we needed you!
What have we done that deserves front cover?
Well! Good question!
Point taken!
That's a bit unfair.Quote:
You brits did nothing or very little to help us. While we risked several thousands of men for you!
Luckily the USA saw interest/pity in us and came and saved us!
In the two and a half years before America could be bothered to join in the war (and only then because of Pearl Harbour), The British empire fought not only single handedly against the Japanese onslaught but also spent most of this time alone in Europe trying to fight off th threat of a German invasion. Between May 1940 and June 1941, Britain (and it's empire) fought alone against the might of both Germany and Japan.
Yes, the British made many military blunders in that war and could have never have won it alone but it annoys me when Australians complain of lack of help in WWII. If the majority of the japanese army hadn't been bogged down in S/E Aisa fighting the British, Australia may have fallen long before America ever entered the war.
Britain took a hell of a lot more s**t than Australia ever did and only just managed to keep going attall.
That's a bit unfair.Quote:
Originally posted by simonm
That's a bit unfair.
In the two and a half years before America could be bothered to join in the war (and only then because of Pearl Harbour), The British empire fought not only single handedly against the Japanese onslaught but also spent most of this time alone in Europe trying to fight off th threat of a German invasion. Between May 1940 and June 1941, Britain (and it's empire) fought alone against the might of both Germany and Japan.
Yes, the British made many military blunders in that war and could have never have won it alone but it annoys me when Australians complain of lack of help in WWII. If the majority of the japanese army hadn't been bogged down in S/E Aisa fighting the British, Australia may have fallen long before America ever entered the war.
Britain took a hell of a lot more s**t than Australia ever did and only just managed to keep going attall.
In the two and a half years before America could be bothered to join in the war (and only then because of Pearl Harbour), the United States was busy supply Britian with much needed vehicles, weapons, clothing, food to keep Britian's war effort afloat! America is blamed for sticking their nose in places it doesn't belong..namely Europe (where I believe WWII was taking place at the time if I'm not mistaken:rolleyes: )....but we get statements like simonm's about not jumping into the war.......I think that's more than a bit unfair!!!!!!
I don't think there were any countries in the world that would have objected to America joining in WWII. They get accused of medaling now but at the time they were considered an isolationist country.
Yes, America did send supplies...at a price. It all had to be paid back (one of the reasons Britain was so poor after the war).
Don't get me wrong though, I am grateful for America's (eventual) direct involvement in the war.
I am just defending Britain's actions in the war with regard to it's priorities. Britain has often been accused by some Australians that we abandoned Australia.
*Cough* Britain had to pay for those supplies/weapons *cough*, and if I'm not mistaken is still paying some 50 years later. I think it was Churchill who said that the lights of Europe have been extinguished and will not be relit for another hundred years. And he was almost right. Only now is Europe regaining her economic and military strength.Quote:
Originally posted by barrk
That's a bit unfair.
In the two and a half years before America could be bothered to join in the war (and only then because of Pearl Harbour), the United States was busy supply Britian with much needed vehicles, weapons, clothing, food to keep Britian's war effort afloat! America is blamed for sticking their nose in places it doesn't belong..namely Europe (where I believe WWII was taking place at the time if I'm not mistaken:rolleyes: )....but we get statements like simonm's about not jumping into the war.......I think that's more than a bit unfair!!!!!!
Don't get me wrong we appreciate your participation and there can be litle doubt that America swung the balance, but we often hear how "America won the war" or "America saved the Europes butt", er... sorry, but it was a joint effort to save the world and you do have to admit you've been a bit tardy to the last two world wars. Of course Bush is trying to make up for that now by being really really early for the next one ;)
If you had left it any longer there is a very good chance the whole world (including America) would be under Axis rule.
The bottom line is all countries involved lost an incredible amount of people (on both sides). I don't think it serves any purpose now to sling mud at each other over it. It was a tragic part of history (as all wars are). I fully understand America's reluctance to join a war that was percieved to be happening on the otherside of the world, it can't be easy to send your own children to face death. But it wasn't Britain versus Germany, it was democracy versus Dictatorship.
P.S. Britain declared war on Germany, they could have stayed out of it if they wanted.
Just my 2 Deuchmarks worth:)
SD
If it's any consolation we are still paying for WWII as well. I don't think there is a nation that was involved in WWII that isn't....well except maybe France:rolleyes:
The fact of the matter is that Russia beat Germany. Britain, America or any other country you care to mention barely had any effect.
80% of Germany's armies were stationed on the eastern front.
By the time the 'Allies' had organised themselves for a 'serious' second front, the Germans were being routed on the Eastern front and the course of the war was inevitable.
As far as Japan is concerned, that's a different matter. America was undoubtedly the deciding factor in ending that war.
True!
I think France is paying for it, a lot of the French army made it to Britain and fought alongside the allies, many of the resistance where tortured and killed, the Germans stripped their country of currency, precious metals and art. France's economy was pretty much scewed at the end of the war, they are still struggling to recover. Farmers are still killed by unexploded bombs and mines from both world wars. Remember they were struggling even before the second world war as WWI had pretty much decimated there country.
I don't think anyone was left untouched by WWII.
SD
Don't forget we went out and fought yet another war that century - Falklands.
And this time I think it was pretty much unassisted (please do correct me if i'm wrong). I was 2 when it happened.
What a load of propaganda. Yes Britian fought for her colonies against the Japanese, no doubt using the same troops which had put down "native" insurrections.Quote:
Originally posted by simonm
That's a bit unfair.
In the two and a half years before America could be bothered to join in the war (and only then because of Pearl Harbour), The British empire fought not only single handedly against the Japanese onslaught but also spent most of this time alone in Europe trying to fight off th threat of a German invasion. Between May 1940 and June 1941, Britain (and it's empire) fought alone against the might of both Germany and Japan.
Yes, the British made many military blunders in that war and could have never have won it alone but it annoys me when Australians complain of lack of help in WWII. If the majority of the japanese army hadn't been bogged down in S/E Aisa fighting the British, Australia may have fallen long before America ever entered the war.
Britain took a hell of a lot more s**t than Australia ever did and only just managed to keep going attall.
Britain was involved in a "European" war against Germany which had nothing to do with Oz/NZ. Our Governments sent troops to aid Britian. In fact when the Japanese expanding into the South Pacific, we had to fight tooth and nail to get troops back from your war in Europe and Africa to defend our own Countries.
*Jehtro grids his teeth and types* the USA can be considered the only foreign Country which added the ANZACS in stopping the Japanese in PNG.
Australia and New Zealand have supplied troops to Britian in The Boer War, WWI, WWII (Europe and Africa), the Malaya Insurrection to help out Britain. I repeat these were not wars that were fought in our backyards. They were wars fought by Europeans to maintain the last vestiges of their empires.
Except the second world war of course which basically involved everyone but some yak farmer in Mongolia.
You will be pleased to know that the sums paid back in lend-lease by Britain were almost exactly the sames as the sums paid to Germany under the Marshall Plan so the money did get back to Europe ;)Quote:
Originally posted by SurfDemon
*Cough* Britain had to pay for those supplies/weapons *cough*,
for a while - in 1938/39 Hitler had briefed von Ribbentrop & Donitz for a 1944 invasion of Britain once German capital ship strength was up to an adequate level for the job.Quote:
Originally posted by SurfDemon
P.S. Britain declared war on Germany, they could have stayed out
I'm here to back you up Jethro!
:D
Coz no British will!
;)
Yep. Same here, "fellow Kangaroo" :)Quote:
I'm here to back you up Jethro!
Why you all arguing about this? yes WW2 was horrible but why keep on ranting about it..
Ranting is a bit stiff mate, it's just all these poms were coming the raw prawn with us.Quote:
Originally posted by Jeff_1
Why you all arguing about this? yes WW2 was horrible but why keep on ranting about it..
It's what they are the best at... :)Quote:
it's just all these poms were coming the raw prawn with us.
Anyone want too post some WWII trivia?
What was the name of the port the japanese were going to use as a staging ground for the invasion of australia?? ( no offence meant toward OZ )
What Like?
Statistics??
Darwin!
Then... what did the Japanese use Perl Harbour for... :D
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Originally posted by Jeff_1
What was the name of the port the japanese were going to use as a staging ground for the invasion of australia?? ( no offence meant toward OZ )
Port Moresbey
So... what did they use Perl Harbour FOR...?!? :o
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Originally posted by Jeff_1
Port Moresbey
a place to drop excess bombs?
:rolleyes:
I don't recall port moresby bieng in Australia?
Some extract conclusions:
New Guinea - Between the 2nd and 4th in the Battle of the Bismarck Sea, US and Australian land-based aircraft annihilate a troop convoy bound for Lae from Rabaul. All eight transports and four escorting destroyers are sunk.
More coming!
Since when did the Japanese start having "excess bombs"... :confused:
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Originally posted by Jeff_1
a place to drop excess bombs?
:rolleyes:
I should clear myself.. i didnt mean port moresbey was in australia..
Quote from the ABS yearbook!
" Australia has not experienced a subsequent invasion; no war has since been fought on Australian soil. Yet Australians have fought in ten wars"
"All of them were begun by other nations and involved Australia because of its overseas ties; alliances formed through sentiment, loyalty or simply for reasons of security. "
That says it all for me!
But yet there's more:
"That same Anzac landing really heralded Australia's entry into the First World War, a war that took nearly 60,000 Australian lives. The tremendous cost of the War (Australia's casualty rate, in proportion to the number of troops engaged, was higher than for any other country in the British Empire) "