Making Vb Compilator without runtimes

Hi jenk !

You see, writing asm for windows is very easy.. but i don't know how it is hard for other GUI based system...

Here we go : Windows uses a lot API that are in .dll on ALL version of windows 95+ ... I mean .dll like kernel32.dll or USER32.Dll and calling an api is very easy : a little call("E8....") to a first list of all functions declared and in the adress where you call, you put a far call ("FF35....") that points to an adress located in the .rdata section. This section is THE section dedicated for api declaration, there's a little header, but too long to explain here and the list of functions and .dll names.

So, for instants, we don't use a lot of opperands : only "push" and "call" are used... don't think we'll need more, except for WNDProc events, where we will have to use comparaison...

The project's running, we can show a form and we will certainly be able to add events very soon...
A little beta version will be released that will allow you to compile MsgBoxes,InputBoxes, Buttons' events, Forms' events and TextBoxes' events... So you'll be able to compile a little prog based on string :) STAY TUNED !

cool! That would be a great possibility of creating custom vb programs with a vb program :) I always wanted that! c has got loads and loads of compilors and now mybe vb will get out of microsoft's screw as well :) Hope Microsoft won't send some agents to you to steal your prog and eraze yout hd :D
And: who needs that horrible .net? They rather should improve the current one and provide a higher speed and better controls with it.
Every thing's slick as a whistle, so why should I rewrit all my progs just because microsoft wants so? I think that they lost ground to reality...

...how long until i can make a hello world application? who is gonna host the d/l?

I can't wait I can't wait :)!!!

I really hope that you guys have a good luck on this. Even if you will never be able to make real big programs running I would be happy with trying it on small tools, that are not worth copying/loading the runtime dlls for.

Good luck guys

Don't worry guys ! You'll have your compiler soon !! but it takes lot of time and work...

But if you wanna create your helle world application using forms or msgbox send me an e-mail and i'll send you the starting project....

Thanx you all who are sponsoring me...

I am a simpleton ASM programmer and am interested in how to
interact with the API in ASM. Could you just send me the original
Message Box program? I will share with you any useful knowledge
of mine in VB or ASM.

thanks
my email is [email protected]

MsgBox program is just like that :

Code:

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push Style
push addr Title
push addr Msg
push hWnd
call MessageBoxA

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but you have to compile it with a win32asm comiler like ML.exe that is used by MASM

What you are suggesting to do is extremely ambitious and I have a lot of respect for that. Could you please explain how you are going to handle these two things though:

1. How are you going to handle late-object binding?

2. Spiffers reply about VB.NET. He was correct about a lot of programmers switching. This is not a problem...now not knowing too much about assembly but understanding the basics...how are you planning to overcome the issues concerning the new 64-bit architecture of new Windows. If i remember correctly Assembly is architecture driven...(what i mean is that different architectures use different instruction set etc). If what i have read is true the new 64-bit computers will have a more register based approach.

Im assuming here that this will take around 2-3 years to complete...in which time VS.NET will be out (probably). I may be talking out my arse lol but i am just very curious. Its sounds like a extremely interesting idea. I do like my run-time files though lol.

Cheers
Noodles :)

Yup supernoodle, thanx for your respect..

I don't know now how i'll implement late-object binding... Cause for now, i'm just breaking my head on how to implement Strings in memory... This is kind of hard because Strings can be manipulated and so the place they take in memory can change and I must use the less ressources of the computer I can...

The new 64-bit system you are talking about won't be released very soon, and i don't think everybody will switch very quick... So i'm doing my "old" 32 bit program, then i'll just have to change my LIBs into 64-bit compiled asm, this is not a matter, it's only some text to change about instructions set, and don't forget that VB 6.0 still works almost on a 16 bit archtecture... Think about it...

Well, all i did 'till today, i've done it alone... But I started this thread in the though that some peoples could help me writing this compiler... I got lot's of matter to communicate with others that wanted to help me...
But now I ask you all if ther's someone who can code with me or not, who could help in that way... I mean offering me a COOL forum and/or a chat-way and/or a server where i could put some code... tell me guys, is there anybody who can help me making a REAL team that would work and code in a powerful way ???

Hope my English is not very bad....

Look I will help you if you can teach me a little ASM......I have a decent grounding already in the way the datapaths work.....not for the Intel Architecture though.......I also have a good understanding of VB. If you think I can help you then email me @ [email protected].

I think this would be an excellent project for me to get my teeth into ASM.

Hope I can help
Noodles :)

Ok but i don't need ASM right now... i'm doing this stuff...

I just need REAL Parsing Function to be added...

PLease email me @ [email protected] to have more informations...

could you send it to me?

[email protected]

This sounds like a hell of a project, I would help you out but I don't know anything about ASM... if you could teach me some stuff I'd be more than happy to help... I know my VB real well and know Java and C++ stuff just as well. Let me know if you want me to help...

[email protected]

:cool:

Hey DevMax, I have my own forums and I can create a new forum just for this and we can post code and whatever in there... How about it?? If you are interested, how do you want the forum to be called??? VBMaX"? Also, what fourms do you want?

General
Code
Ideas
Chit-Chat? :)

Let me know if you wanna do this.

-Emo

hi dev,
i t is a great idea ,
vb programers realy need it
and i also need this
i seak of poor speed of vb :mad:
you cought my mind
when i heard about the power of asm
i too got this idea to make a compiler :D
but i dont know asm
i think about it in jan 2001
i make a out line of this compiler
and make a gui of masm linker
but after some here there i drop this idea
your starting gave me throttle to work with u
ask me i can help if i could about anything
i will try my best


:) :) :) :) ;) :D

Sorry guys for not beign here these several days....

So, Emo yes ! I would be VERY hapy if you could do this forum for me :) please use the name 'VBMaX'... And tell me more about it @ [email protected] ( URL, Login etc... )

D3 : I would be happy if you xould join the work :))) just send me an email (see upper)... But I don't know what you could do if you don't know asm.. maybe I'm gonna teach you because... (see downer :)

So guys ! I'm proud to annouce you that, after a VERY good work from Chief0119, the parsing part is NEARLY finish, so the rest is ALL asm, and I'm sure that a beta will be availible on september.. Emo, could you host the d/l too ?? or, is there anybody here who can do that ? Well al the rest is memory managment and other stuff in asm, so in the next release you will be able to :
•Certainly
-Call Windows'API ( all the functions ! )
-Use variants with different types
-Use Forms and their events
•Probably :
-Use Arrays
-Use string manuipulation
-Change colors in forms
-Use your own type
•Very small probability :
-Use your own classes
-Property Let/Property Get
-Common and easy to translate .ocx files such as Winsock Control
•Certainly NOT :
-Use custom .ocx files
-Use ODBC and other stuff like that

But, If my work is ok, and if i have the time, the compiler will be able to compile ITSELF !!! :))

I hope some of you aren't getting too much nervous waiting this beta since I started this thread... :)

Hi again

For anybody who wants to meet me, if you have an irc client, you can find me on the server infocenter.d2g.com (port=6670)
channel : #programmation

thanx to everybody that supports me :)

I've got to say, I think that this project that you have undertaken is something that every VB programmer is dying to get thier hands on!

I hope that this project works out to the full potential of the idea!

Thanks!

DMO

I agree, this project is awesome :D

I have been watching this from the beginning as well. I have been gone a while to come back to see that there is a Website for it. WAY TO GO GUYS!!! I hope this project takes off. Like I meantioned to you all before, I know assembly language. TRUST ME when I say that you are going to need to know this in order to create your compiler. :)

I too am making a compiler. But not with VB. Long story, but least to say is that my OS is why I am making it.


Laterz all..

Knight Vision

of course we do need asm !
but i know programming in asm too :)

And yup.. if you could help us in this project, taht would be not too much ;)

And how is your OS going ? Do you finally have a graphic interface ?

are you making your own programming language for your OS?

Yes, I do have an interface, and yes, I WILL be making my own language for it. It will be in BASIC first, then it will be C/C++.

Get the Art of Assembly language and you will be able to see the conversion codes to make the BINARY file for your compiler. Once you figure that out, then it's a breeze to make your compiler work 100% in any language. :)

thats cool, so did you write your OS from scratch, or is it based on something? What are the specs of it? i mean, is it like 32 bit, what can it do?

When will there be a downloadable file to play around with your compiler. Just to see it in my hands (or something like that´)?
I wont expect it to compile big projects, I am just interested.
Or has there been a download before?

Actually, you can see what I have so far. Goto:

http://ossourcecode.tripod.com

Once there you can get the source to my "From Scratch" source code for it. You can use the code for anything you want. I'll be updating it often. (About once a week.)

You will need NASM 0.98 to compile it.

Have fun.. :)

Knight Vision

P.S. There is more to the OS then what you see at the site. But I havn't posted it yet. I will updating it sometime next week.

Awesome website. i think i will look into your assembly tutorials once i get a little more free time on my hands.

NO, sorry...

there isn't any runable version right now...

But stay tuned and check downloads section in the project website...

A first beta was planned for september, but i think i'll release a 'pre-beta' for you guys who want to see it working :)
The currents includes are :

• - All strings operation( mid, left, right, *trim instr..)
  
  - msgboxes(w/o help feature),inputboxes(idem)
  
  - form displays and 'Form_Load' event sub

But parsing stuff isn't distribuable for now :) We have to check a litttle amount of bug and then, the 'pre-beta' will be availible :) With full events implementation certainly and the 'If' too...

cool, so, when this is done, will it be freeware?

whens the pre-beta coming out?

Sail3005 - Thanks guy. I'l be updating it more and more as I get time. Right now, I'm away from my computer and am using the library computers. My real computer is in the shed.. uhhgg..

But once I get into my new place, i'll crack that puppy open and i'll get back into VB programming again. As it is, I have a DOS laptop at home that I use, but it's not internet ready. (No modem).

I do have VB for DOS on it though. It's really kewl.. :)

sweet, i got that VB DOS a while ago, but i never got around to making any programs in it. Heh, the interface reminded me of the screenshots that i have seen from windows 1.0!

I wish i was around programming in those days...things were just less complicated!

Heh, yea, I remember those days. I started program at an early age on an Apple-IIe. This was before IBM was widely known.

When we finally did get a PC, talk about a paper wait. And the green screen.. uhhgg.. LOL

Yup, those were the days.. LOL

Hi guys, sorry not to be present this week, i was really out, but i have just found an internet connection, i must warn you that i won't have any connection until september i think...

So, there finally won't exist any pre-beta release (i don't have any connection to update it ), but a real beta is coming out... Still for september and you all will be able to play with the compiler :)))

And knight ?Does your os will still be able to run windows programs ? Or there will be a special compilation for it ?

Thanx all

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Originally posted by sail3005
sweet, i got that VB DOS a while ago, but i never got around to making any programs in it. Heh, the interface reminded me of the screenshots that i have seen from windows 1.0!

I wish i was around programming in those days...things were just less complicated!

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was less complicated when there was no active GUI, ahhh BASIC swweeettt !

Wow, people have forgotten this thread.... :)

I just wanted to tell you that the forum I posted in my earlier posts doesn't work anymore and now there is a new, better forum for the project.

Click here to go to it

For now it doesn't have anything on it because, well I made it last night :) so go there and register.

When MxCod comes back, he'll probably have the first beta availabel to download. :D

Thanks!
-Emo

hopefully there will be some updates soon.
A beta or prebeta would be really nice.

well from what I know, MxCod is not gonna have an internet connection until right about these days, so I'm waiting for him to come back and tell us if there's a beta...

-Emo

devmax and team, ALL THE BEST in your development!!

I would really like to join in and LOVE to see it happen, but currently I m trying to finish this freelance project I have had some time ago.

Then I need to read up some ASM tutorial on Knight_Vision's site.

Perhaps I can join in later.

In the meantime.....

You've all my moral supports and Good Luck!

Harddisk

Still nothing of Devmax? oh well probably his provider or something like that.
Well To Emo: I really know it's out of topic, but don't you think that banner in your signature will help a lot? First I doubt you make a lot of money, and second and way more important: Don't you think they will disable that feature and you won't be able to put any cool signatures.

I know I wont' make any money, so I'll take it off but right now I can't access the board...

second, what did you say about the signatures? you can't have one?

-Emo