I'm not an MS basher... Nothing of the sort.... I just think that all the companies don't care about the customers because the main reason for being and doing business is to increase the share value to the Share Holders.
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I'm not an MS basher... Nothing of the sort.... I just think that all the companies don't care about the customers because the main reason for being and doing business is to increase the share value to the Share Holders.
Something people should also remember is that Bill Gates is a ****! From what I have been told he stole the ideas for Windows from Apple Macintosh when they were making their first OS, which was stolen from the maker of one of the Unix OS. So Behemoth all you need to do is find a program (or build or steal one). Make it have so many problems that any customer will have to continue to buy newer versions and patches for the program. And it is not only M$ that does this all Software companies do this.
Thats fine though. If you have a factual logical reason to hate MS, that's cool. But some people start making things up or believe everything they here and take it as truth. Like Linux users, they are so confident int he knowledge that Windows bites and Linux rules, but whe I have asked them why, they start spurtting out a bunch of un true tales. One of the big ones is that Linux is much more secure. I havent seen this proven and I have heared of many a security breach in Linux as well. The reason it seems Windows has so many is because they are always in the press becuase MS is a high profile company and the press picks it up.
As far as the monoploy goes, I agree with that but I havent seen a consumer harmed because of it as the DOJ would have you believe.
I think that this is one of those problems that could only be sorted out by the companies not thinking about money, but that will never happen!
Add me to this list, I don't write a lot of web pages, but support loads of programs. Can you find any settings to fix Netscape when it goes down ?!?!?!
Useless, though it does have a better logo ...
Mark - plug-ins carefully written to spec for Netscape 4.01 wouldn't run on 4.03. When updated they once again fail on 4.04 which again has endless undocumented changes - that's the point where I gave up supporting NetscapeQuote:
Originally posted by Mark Sreeves
Scripts that were written for NS4 won't work properly on NS6. To me that is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE!!!
I still get hate mail from Netscape freaks (Netties?) wanting to know why I won't support Netscape.
BTW - The whole Netscape DevEdge program was simply designed as a way to send useless spam to members - not to give support - at least MSDN has a knowledge base full of interesting stuff!
I generally hate Netscape too. The dual coding requirements suck, but .....
If M$ would make a Unix/Linux version of IE, I would have no use for Netscape. Until then, which will be never, I will at least have to use Netscape on my Linux box. I do have to give them that. Netscape will run on anything.
Netscape may RUN on anything, but that doesn't mean it does what it's supposed to when its running.Quote:
Originally posted by Chris Byrom
Netscape will run on anything.
And I seriously doubt it will run on ANYTHING......
Also, Linux doesnt have nearly as many security breaches because 99% of the public are on MS products.
If Linux had the same amount of users as MS does, you would hear all about their problems too.
I hear Linux is decent but I refuse to learn it...
The bottom line is quite simple. If I'm building a website, the last thing I want to do is the same job twice to ensure it's going to run properly. On that basis, if I have to choose one browser to work for, I'm going to use one that gives me the best user coverage, ie: IE (that was clever, wasn't it?)
When Microsoft give me reason to celebrate them, I do.
When Microsoft give me reason to hate them, I do.
Netscape have yet to give me any sort of reason to be happy. Therefore, I hate Netscape quite a lot, but didn't vote for the big one.
Why should i hate,when i don't use it.
I didn't mean that it would run on ANYTHING. I am sure that my electroc razor will not run Netscape, but any processor that can run UNIX and X xan run Netscape. That is a lot more cross-platform support than we are very likely to ever see from Microsoft. This is unfortunate because I love IE. I just like running Linux too. So I have to use Netscape.
UNIX and Linux boxes account for the majority of the internet. For example, this forum. Don't get me wrong here. I am not a Microsoft basher at all. I am a VB programmer. I just play with Linux at home.
Assuming IE 6 will run on the .NET runtime and since there will be a .NET runtime for Linux, then yes, IE will run on Linux.
That would be sweet. Would that mean that VB.net stuff will be able to run on Linux?
absolutely :)
Yep. Write your program in VB on windows, run it on Linux! Cool aye?
Very cool.
Did I mention I despise Netscape?
Sorry, tough day of programming......
Netscape is damn bull sh*t ... Nothing works in it... No CSS support.. No <IFRAME> .. why do they have a browser like it?... Opera is far better than Netscape.. it atleast has very good (comparable with IE) CSS support and evn supports <IFRAME>
Anyway IE is the best.. I hate the idea of Microsoft thrashing.. you have to admit they have made the worlds best software (even if they stole ideas :D )!
actually i prefer Opera 5......
iframe is a ms proprietary tag anyway...
there is a joke around linux land that says ms made vbscript and asp for all those vb programmers that are out of jobs
All I know randy is that I make alot of money doing web development with ASP/VB! :p
Cool thing is, which will get me more into Linux world, will be the new .NET stuff. Since when that comes out for Linux, I can finally program for Linux. And Im sure some Linux people will throw a fit about a MS product on Linux, but they should be happy, becuase they will see a huge increase in software for Linux.
ya...well its all good but i dont think MS is god
I don't either, but you've got to admit that their software is the best around.
Without MS, there'd be no vb! and without Office, there'd be no VBa! and without IE, there'd be no VBScript, so I'm sort of leaning toward the MS is great part here...
Cander, i checked out your web site. I suggest putting something to the left of the banner so that it doesnt cut into your background.
BTW there is a Unix version of IE
I k now Randy. It is just a pre set HTML template I used. Didnt have the time to write my own page at that time. I am creating my own page now for the site.
ahh ok....if you use WYSIWYG editors i recomment Dreamweaver or Golive
I use XMLSPy which is the best. Can write html,xhtml, xml,xsl, and tons more. It rocks.
I DON'T HATE NETSCAPE THAT MUCH
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Netscape goes crazy if you have to many layers. I make pages in Dreamweaver that run fine on all versions of IE(4 and above), they just bomb on netscape. I hate having to add cross-capabilty coding to my web pages
...no point in arguing?...
ahem, if you are a web developer, you make such a magnificent site (note if you goto my website, it's a personal site so dont come back and say "thats' magnificent?") and it works like a charm in IE , then you get something from your customers saying , that it MUST support netscape, because a couple of their clients use it, then I have to reduce a hell of alot of nice features, or spend nearly a couple days, just to figure out how to code around, or change my code to work for both IE and NS least with ASP , you can show different code for different browsers, but it's still a pain in the ass.
Karl, how much of your site is written toward W3C and EMCA standards?
My Personal site is written with only IE in mind, if I have to write a site for a customer(such as the State of north carolina), I try to keep it W3C as possible, but I also have to provide features that both IE and NS have.
Well, if you knowingly write pages that do not conform to the standard, then quit your bitchin'. You can be all slap-happy, with that AOL-glaze look in your eyes over IE, but you have to understand, it very intentionally goes beyond the standard, just so people will say, "this doesn't work anywhere but IE". If you want to make the web better as a whole, then you have to work with the standard, improve and add to the standard, and not go off and do your own thing.
If you want to be a productive member of the web, then write toward the W3C HTML, XHTML, XML, and DOM standards, and the ECMA Script standards.
standard or not, netscape is a pain in the ass to work for, even if you are intentionally making it just for NS.
I have completely switched over to standards now, and so i get just as pissed at IE as i do at NS6! They both have OK, but not great standards support. Write for the standatrs, and let the browsers comform to you!
I cannot write for the standard, as my job REQUIRES the page to be both IE and NS compatible.
The Good
-- Looks and feels like Internet Explorer.
-- Just as fast.
-- MINIMIZES POP-UPS!! I LOVE THIS!!
The Bad
-- Not quite fully functional... /\
-- Permanent Banner AD ___/
-- Small window.
-- No mousewheel?