W0nderland

Sorry, I think my last post was badly worded. It's just a very sorry story...Please, don't believe I'm here to slag people off. It's really not my way...

Sorry, i was going on a bit as well. But yes you are right it is a sad story, it should never happen in a civilised society.

If you're referring to ours, make that "civilised"...

good point, well made.

This thread's turned into some pretty heavy stuff :eek:

As far as the arguments given go, I'd go for the ones on "education" rather than punishment. Surely it must be society that's failing if it's not impressed on people that you don't do things like this?

I would just like to say that in my initial posts on the subject I had no idea how much they had done, it wasn't explained in the news report I read.

Paul - I don't quite understand the point you're making here:

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HarryW - Deterrents are what we need to discourage people from doing stuff like this BUT what about those people who ignore the threat of punishment and go ahead and rape young children anyway ? Society has a right to retribution in these instances because that in itself is a deterrent.

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If deterrants don't work on these people, how is retribution a deterrant?

HarryW - The point I was making was that the kind of person who commits a crime such as this isn't deterred by the possibility of 18 months ( probably 12 with parole ) in jail. The judge might as well have said "Look, you've been naughty so we're going to have to do something but it's not that serious really." whereas crimes like this should have the possibility of a life sentence/death penalty ( your preference here ). This would send out the message that what they are doing is abhorrent and that society will not stand for people who do these things. Now that's a deterrent. So yes, I agree that these people need both educating and deterring but lets not make a half ass job of it.

I hope that clears up where I'm coming from.

Ahhhh I seeeeee. Well I'm inclined to agree.

I think no matter how hard society tries there will always be deviants. Unless it all goes the way that is portrayed in 2000ad (excellent comic :) ) where all babies are genetically screened to see if they are going to have deviant genes.

Then that begs the question is it nurture or nature. Were these people (WOnderland) bought up to believe that this was an acceptable way to behave, or something that was done to them early in there lives that made then become paedophile or is it something that is innherrent and cannot be avoided. Or is it a bit of both.

Also Aldous Huxley - "Brave New World".

good book. also Orwell's 1984...

never heard of 'Brave new world' but i have heard 1984, never read it though, 'Animal Farm' (the book) put me off orwell.

u didnt like animal farm?

1984 is one of my favourite books. ever. Brave New World is good too.

I'll have to look them up. I was more put off by Animal farm because of the amount of english work we did on it at school. *shudders*

Thats the real bummer about school english, they keep pushing texts at you until you get so fed up with them. If you let school put you off stuff, you can miss some fantastic books.

I thoroughly recommend 1984.

Right then *toddles off to the library*

I read 1984 about 6 months ago and it is a fantastic book. Luckily it wasn't one I had ever come across at school.

It's a fantastic book. Especially as you get to the end where the really heavy stuff starts, and I thoroughly recommend it.